A lot of young men today lack role models. Even the shrinking proportion of men with fathers in their lives sometimes witness bad examples or receive poor advice: be yourself, it will just happen, one day a girl will like you as much as you like her, etc. Sometimes the father is silent and forlorn while the mother poisons her son with this garbage.
Why do so many of our fathers have so little sensible advice for us on the issue of love and relationships? The answer isn’t that our fathers, if present, have been emasculated (though they may have been). It isn’t that they are terrified of standing up to their wives (thought that might be a factor). It isn’t that they are fools, nor are they trying to turn us all into forty-year-old virgins who will not burden them with grandchild babysitting duties.
The reason the baby boomer generation has so little to offer us is much simpler: they lack salient life experience. How is it, you might ask, that a man in his fifties or sixties could lack life experience? If he has nothing else, surely he has that. He does, but it is not our life experience. He lived in the past—a foreign country.
The Old World
If your father courted and married in the 1970s and 80s, he was a young man in a world where people communicated face to face or over the telephone. Reassuring a lady’s parents was essential. Feminism was still a fringe idea like Gaia or vegetarianism. “Game” was something involving a bat and ball.
Your father grew up in a world where being a provider was essential—not a strategy so much as a basic requirement for a male to even enter the mating game. Unemployed men, criminals, and assorted members of the underclass mostly consorted with mentally unstable or wayward women. Today many women are mentally unstable and wayward—drug dealer game or pimp game will get you much further than middle manager game.
In your father’s recent world, a man needed a steady job in order to support his family. It would be irresponsible to marry without one, and it would be irresponsible for any lady to marry a man lacking such security. A “steady job” was one that might be expected to last for decades, probably for a lifetime. Today, a secure job is a two-year contract or a one-year contract with a good prospect of renewal. How does one bring up a stable family under such circumstances? Your father doesn’t know. We are in uncharted waters.
When your father strutted the streets of love, a productive, law-abiding man was a figure of respect. He got things done, kept the lights on and made the world safe for women and children. The fellow could hold his head high as he strode past the playground, not thinking for a moment that someone might eye him suspiciously and supervise their toddler with care until the intruder was out of sight.
He was not blamed for all the ills in the world: black disadvantage, domestic violence, war, and poverty. Rather, he, like all men, was seen as the driving force behind the development of the modern world, and for all the exciting improvements still to come.
Electronic Courtship
Your father dated back when the word “tinder” was usually followed by the word “box.” He did not compete with every other man in his city for an evening with a moderately attractive woman and a chance of never-see-you-again lovemaking. He would have laughed if he read about such a practice in a paperback science fiction novel. Your father never posted degrading, semi-naked photographs of himself flexing his gym-trained, bronzed muscles in front of the bathroom mirror, trying to get the angle just right so that the toilet paper behind him can’t be seen.
Your father didn’t write an arrogantly flippant online profile in order to meet your mother. He didn’t receive nude selfies prior to their first date, either. He didn’t meet her in a chain cafe, asking nervously, “Are you Tracy?” He didn’t neg her or notice DHVs, DLVs and IOIs. And he probably didn’t take her home two hours later, spank her and call her a whore because it was the only way she could climax.
The Ladies Of Yore
Your father dated at a time when most young women were, by default, attractive. They were slim, had long hair and dressed in a feminine manner. He is therefore unqualified to offer you advice for finding a mate in a world where every other woman is obese. When he looks around today and sees all the girls who have disfigured themselves with ill-considered piercings and childish tattoos, he might realize that things have changed a bit.
Still, what could he offer you other than a lame, “Just find a good one?” He has never dipped his toes in these waters, and let’s hope the poor fellow never does.
When your father made it to fourth base, did he nervously wait by his phone afterwards for the “you-didn’t-rape-me text?” Of course not. In the rare occurrence that a one-night-stand did occur, he sauntered off without a care. No secret video recordings or paper trails for him. If a troubled girl did make a false allegation, she could only make it to people she knew. She lacked the technology to share the defamation with the whole world. And if she did attempt to do so, responsible friends and family members would insist that she contact the police instead.
Your father dated women who were virgins or who had only slept with one or two partners before, probably their steady ex-boyfriends. He dated women who generally wanted to get married within a few years, stay home to have a few kids, and then perhaps work part-time once the little ones were in school. These were women who appreciated their husband’s role, and who were appreciated in turn for their own role.
Your father did not date the kind of women you date—women who have slept with 20-100 men, who have had many, many one-night-stands, and who usually have a couple fuck-buddies on call at any given time. He did not date women who are alpha widows to DJs, thugs, bikers, married CEOs and (yecch) drummers. He has not enjoyed the delights of looking for love among the career women who have been told all their life that they don’t need a man and that husbands are a bumbling, absurd nuisance. Women who become desperate to settle down and start a family with a hapless fallback when nearing middle age. Your father probably never dated a woman older than twenty-seven.
The Big D
Finally, your father married at a time when divorce was a new-fangled and disgraceful thing, something that respectable people didn’t do. Today, women are inundated with divorce porn and the practice is common. It is mostly initiated by women. Divorce is the biggest financial risk you face aside from complete and permanent disability.
Your children may be taken from you, to be seen only under strict conditions every second weekend. This is the one thing your father is likely to know about, but what does he know about dating or marrying in an environment when these risks are well understood from the outset?
Harden Up
On a more cheerful note, your father may not have had the opportunity to travel to greener pastures. He lacked the massive online resources that a man today can draw upon for advice, networking and everything else that used to be done locally and on a smaller scale. Further, you may be more sexually experienced that he is.
So don’t go too hard on your dad. Perhaps he did the best he could. He just doesn’t understand how utterly the basic building blocks of human society have shifted in the last few decades. The path of love is one that we young men must walk without the aid of maps or guides. And if we have sons or grandsons, by the time they are young adults the world may have moved on again.
We will one day have to use our wisdom to recognize which of our life experiences are useful to them and which are dangerously archaic.
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Everything taught to young people now is complete bullshit.
Economically, you had these old rich (or well off) boomers giving shit advice on how to make money like it’s still the 1980s. The economy was so robust they didn’t really have to think deeply about anything.
Socially, well we all know the story there.
Luckily I had a natural rebellious streak so I never really listened to my teachers so now I’m a small business owner. But the kids who followed the rules and did what they were told are going to suffer the rest of their lives. The pain is only beginning.
Millennials had their youth to be arrogant, liberal and dumb. 0-27 it was a nonstop party and delusions. Now the pain comes for the rest of their lives.
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This really only holds true for white men. Bruthas been dealing with crazy promiscuous women for decades. I’ve often recommended clueless white men get themselves apprenticed to a black man to see the beautiful possibility of a life with a neighborhood harem of endless pussy, multiple baby mommas, and no real responsibility or obligation.
Agree in the technicals, but what kind of overall society will that create? A nation of “da hood” is a nation basically waiting to be conquered.
To the extent that it can even be called a Nation anymore. By the time the Chinese showed up we would have long been little more than a pack of squabbling gangs, just like in the hood.
Chinese are just going to pick off the prime real estate and intellectual property. They don’t give a fuck about the rest of america.
Yeah, you got it. The only thing the west will do to resist the Chinese is build some tanks and planes thinking that will stop them… when in reality that will only further the Chinese takeover, which will occur WITHOUT any armed invasion. Why do they need to occupy the land when they can just own the important parts and let the American government deal with all the American people’s problems? And they will finance every penny of the military expenditures that will quicken our demise by bankrupting us even faster.
Trust me. Plenty of bruthas have moved passed dealing with that shit. Promiscuous harem want nothing but rough necks.
lol fail, try being a father for once and living past 45.
Let’s start with education. Plenty of great job out there that only a need a 2 year technical associates and pay ok. With some other training or skills and just being reliable you can do as well as those with 4 year or better without the oppressive debt.
college might be the biggest lie pushed on naïve young people. but teachers and bureaucrats need those student loan dollars $$$ to pad their lifestyle
I wish I could upvote your comment more than once.
It’s a TRILLION dollar ponzi scheme.
But cucks still complain about big oil or the army. Those things pale in comparison to this.
Exactly…unless you want to work in medicine or engineering, college is a scam to perpetuate itself.
Good point. Yet HVAC and plumbing isn’t exciting like sociology or femme studies. Or so I hear.
I was thinking of an associates in chemistry or computer information systems (at least they call it that at the local community college in my area). Maybe get some certificates in Cisco networking or whatever the hot one is at that time. Maybe learn some PLC and SCADA installs. Or an associates in electronics and find your way as a service engineer for medical equipment or high end lab instrumentation.
Elders’ advice about women is dead wrong and will ruin your life, possibly even kill you if you follow it. They don’t get it. They never had to adapt to new circumstances, which makes me believe boomers, even the business owners, aren’t that bright, they just happened to be born into great circumstances of a booming USA.
In life, business, and women. timing is everything. good timing (being a baby boomer) will trump intelligence almost every time because their ‘system’ had significantly more opportunities.
They were set up for success, but you can view your parents mistakes to just pound home red pill truths. Case in point, my dad turned into a little bitch who just hung around because it was easy and came with no shame. He is married but in misery, does not control his wife or finances, they don’t sleep in the same bed, he has no respect for her, they love their doggies because it makes up for lack of human intimacy, and he tries to talk to me when we’re out like we’re both 20 & chasing pussy. Hearing your 62 year old man judge women he has no chance with, reeks of a fucking loser.
However, he also grew up in the sixties & thinks he is never wrong…typical hippie dippie type shit, even though he was more of age in the 70s. No respect for classic wisdom or thought, you can see where it has led him. Moral of story, if you are not happy, hit eject and improve life, don’t just ride it into the damn dirt for honor. or, man up and put your woman in check to increase your own happiness.
This completely explains my father. He was born in 1960, so when it was 1980, he was 20, he started his own business -which back then taking a shit could make you money, did some drugs, and was generally happy, but he did not go overboard like most did. Now, he’s 55, divorced – 100% my mom – and wonders why the he can’t make money like he used to back in 2000, and he can’t grasp the idea that my older brother does not want to go to college. He is always angry and pissed off that the world is changing and not like it was. I love my dad so much, seeing so hurt and angry honestly make me cry sometimes. Call me a pussy, go ahead, I don’t care.
yea they talk about those hippies who fucked around in their youth, then decided to ‘get serious’ and entered business, making a shitload of money.
then they peddle the same fairytale shit to millennials, telling them ‘everything will work out’.
it doesn’t cross their minds that the world has rapidly changed.
It must be hard for old blokes who lose their job or get divorced and say goodbye to their savings and home. Starting from the bottom, they are thrust into our world.
Good article, but normalize the font size please. Looks like some span tags did not get removed in some paragraphs.
As a GenX father, I agree. BUT…
Not all of us went that route. Some of us discovered very early the FI bullshit.
My Millenial son, not quite yet 20, is hard and fast anti-feminist, in engineering, yet is athletic and based on the girls he pulls, handsome. My son dated one of the hottest girls I’ve ever seen, both parents were former Amish. He benches over 400, puts in all nighters for classes, and has a steady income. His attitude towards women – “Hey,
sup” then charms them, but they are secondary to his studies.
GenX fathers are on the borderline, we either got it, or we didn’t. It’s not monolithic.
Nice on the Bench Press…Thing is, you may have done a Fantastic Job as a Parent, but the other Parents…not so much. At 26 I just Broke 300lbs (Floor Press 310) and I was walking around thinking I’m a Hot-Shot , but at 20 years old, your sons Accomplishment, totally shattered my ego….
That’s not shabby at all man.
Hey man to be honest, you can only really compare your improvements against your previous accomplishes. Jefferson’s kid could have a variety of different factors that sets him on a different path then you which does not make it a fair comparison.
I’m worried your son is going to have a Kratom overdose.
It seems his dad accidently dropped him in a pile of Kratom as a baby.
I should never have introduced him to his grandfather, name of Chuck.
Norris?
I’d ask him but he’d punch me through a black hole.
I’ve been away for a while, I just popped in to see a GOJ pop culture reference. Never disappoints.
Beyoncé?
Kratom takes Chuck Norris.
Kudos on your son’s 400+ lbs bench press, elite territory for raw & drug free.
http://startingstrength.com/files/standards.pdf
At his age, still lots of room for gains.
I’m actually counseling him to take it easy. Hernias suck, morose when you’re 19.
Got mine at 21. Heh.
Elite territory regardless, but theres a .0001% chance that a 19 year old benching 400 is natural.
In my experience, I’ve never seen anyone bench “4 plates” who wasn’t clearly on “Vitamin S”, judging by their skin and level of vascularity.
Possibly GOJ’s son is the extremely rare exception, I’m not in a position to say. Impressive either way, though.
That said, I think a man, even into his mid-50s, should be able to bench body weight, squat 1.5 times body weight (a deep, proper squat-not the quarter squat gayness I see in youtube videos) and deadlift double body weight.
Definitely impressive, but just barely possible naturally. I’ve never seen someone bench 400 period. Plenty of guys in the NFL can’t bench 400. A 19 year old who can bench 400 naturally is one in a million, and is built like the O-line for the Bengals.
The last time I saw someone bench 400+ was in the late 80s at the YMCA in Niagara Falls, NY (now closed) a known ‘roid den. Lots of strong guys there, and juice was much less criminalized back then.
At the LA Fitness I belong to, I’ve only seen about half a dozen people even bench 315 or more, and I’m one. But I also weigh 250 lbs. I’d imagine anyone who even loaded up 225 lbs for the bench press at Planet Gayness would immediately be evicted from the premises.
Nah, no steroids. His old man benches near the same, in his late 40’s.
At 21 I benched a little over 300, but at that time I only weighed 150 pounds. I had been lifting hard for four years and was on the lightweight football team. No steroids allowed and the environment was harsh to preclude any drugs.
Niagara Falls, NY. Man that’s one run down town. I stayed there years ago when checking out the falls.
Not millennial considering he’s. 2 years older than me.
You’re 17? How is that not Millenial?
18, I thought the measurement was those born within the early 80’s to early 90’s
Excellent article. ROK is recovering quality.
Fuck if your dad didn’t teach you how to act. Women are gonna bitch all day, you nod and go about your business. Work hard and smart and build your own brand. Never be afraid of a fight, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Never give up, the world will fuck you, just fuck harder. Jesus H Christ, don’t be a pussy. Who the fuck are your dads.
Men need to realistic with themselves. Women have no desire to be in a monogamous relationship. Why should they when they have a handful of options? The truth is that men on this side of reality will always be in the minority compared to the sea of men ready to give a woman everything she wants. Even if she doesn’t know what she wants.
She wants a man who won’t give her what she wants.
At the subconscious level they all want a man to take charge. It’s natural for both men and women to interact in this way. Anything thing else is like feminism is unantural.
” Rather, he, like all men, was seen as the driving force behind the development of the modern world, and for all the exciting improvements still to come.”
Ironic that his creation was his undoing.
This is true and my father and other men of comparable age have admitted to me many times that it has never been like this before. No matter how wild the 60’s and 70’s were, nothing beats today with feral fems roaming about. I thank him for being honest.
Why does the font size change in the article?
Kratom
Kratom is a Legend in it’s time.
Font size? You mean you visually read the text word by word? Bro, have you never tried Kratom before?
Don’t know if my dad is a gen x. He was born in 53 and didn’t have me till he was 35 . That being said he’s been married 3 times and was very hands off with me growing up . I actually didn’t meet him till I was 7 . I used to try and rationalize the way he is because of his father being career military but the older I get the more I see that he may just be a little off or a loser .
GenX started basically in 1966 through, I think, 1980.
Yep. 1953 is smack dab in the middle of Boomer territory.
It strikes me that the consistent difference is in the time required for gratification, and the pay off of that gratification. I’d love to be 25 in today’s culture, as every carnal desire is right there at your fingertips. The problem is, that is as good as it gets right there. Men in earlier generations probably had to exercise more control over their concupiscence–as did women too, but their life experience didn’t start seeing diminishing returns at 26. They had stable social institutions to build their life upon. Nice article.
Human nature’s really funny that way when you think about it. I’m sure our fathers and grandfathers were thinking “I wish I could fuck all these pretty girls I see walking around.”
Now we have guys thinking “I wish I could find one girl who can cook, clean, is not a slut and wants to raise a family.”
Ha. The devil always gets us through our fantasies. I am sure that male boomers in the 70’s often bought into feminism because it offered easy and casual sex.
I have an aunt who’s out of touch with the modern dating scene and she’s a boomer!
Joke’s on them. Since they raised a generation of narcissistic dipshits, they will die alone and in diapers in some $3000 a month nursing home.
Sad to say !
$3000 per month. Were do you live… cambodia?.
$3000 per month won’t buy you a kick up the ass in Australia.
correct. I know a guy who just put his mother in a nice home….not the nicest but probably top 20%. Good thing he and his 4 siblings all do well because each of them kick up 2500/month for the 12,5 that it costs to keep her in an 800 square foot unit.
Apparently that’s more or less what an assisted living place charges per month, at least here in the States.
http://m.assistedseniorliving.net/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.assistedseniorliving.net%2Fba%2Ffacility-costs.cfm&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F#2879
It’s $5000 a month in Monterey, CA. They do some sort of reverse mortgage thingy on the elderly persons property. I guess you have to die before the money runs out.
The great bourgeois joke…work all your life to buy a house and then that house is used to pay for someone to wipe your ass up till the moment they pull the plug.
I have a strict and standing order that when ass wiping is no longer done without aid I want to be thrown into a volcano after getting a final blowjob from the youngest hooker I can get. I want my final image, as I fall back first into the firely lava, to be the disgusted look on some 19 year old hard body as she wipes my semen off her face.
It might get you a crap place. Most decent ones cost 4000+
Or push her in the lava before you jump (for a little more nihilistic drama effect) ?
no, I want her to live…..live with the shame.
That is why I subscribe to the Smith and Wesson retirement program.
Hear, hear.
It’s hard to make a jaded lurker laugh, but this post did it. Practice those back flips in the pool!
It’s all a matter of dependency ratios. Feminism, the sexual revolution and to a lessor extent advanced contraceptives mean a lower number of people are born and therefore less younger people to support the older ones in retirement.
Elites IE the chamber of commerce types and the etnic lobby bring in cheap labour, you can guess the rest. It’s lights out for old White people and their descendants. The reverse mortgage divests them of assets.
Boomers spent their parents’ savings, their own and their childrens.
Three generations of earnings went to support their lifestyles.
Minimalism is the answer. Living large leaves people miserable. The more you equate spending money with happiness, the more screwed you are and the more you are entrapped.
As a gen Y, I don’t like to throw stones at boomers because I have not walked in their shoes to accurately say if it would be better or worse. However I have seen this practice of boomers first hand , over and over again where they spend their inheritance and their own money to enjoy life and do not set up children for success like parents before them.
They also invest heavily in real estate by loaning against equity and then if the property generates money, awesome pay tax, if it doesn’t, tax write off against assesable income; making ownership very difficult for younger generations.
I did not get great advice growing up, which worked to my advantage as I decided that I didn’t want to live like my parents, I wanted more out of life. Contradictory to a previous article, education was the way out for me. Uni can have “academics” but it can also provide a ticket to help someone get into the interview room where they would otherwise be discounted.
Things that grind me for coming from a working class family is the thanks I get is my parents (and sibling) calling to borrow money for various reasons. Which I do ok, but am trying to set up cash generating assets, not take responsibility for others lives where there has never been any reciprocity. My concern with baby boomers is that they should be helping the next gen, not taking all their money through property inflation and then spending all their money on luxury items, not to setup the next generation.
“As a gen Y, I don’t like to throw stones at boomers because I have not walked in their shoes to accurately say if it would be better or worse”
That’s also my take on the boomers. It’s easy to point the finger at a generation for being clueless idiots, and indeed they were. The hippies, who hailed mainly from Northern California, were the manifestation of the Frankfurter Schule that was transplanted from Germany to New York, landing specifically at Columbia University. But are the hipsters any better? No. In many ways hipsters are worse and their liberal progressive view is far more sick than what hippies were caterwauling back in the 1960’s.
But is this liberal progressiveness not just a chimera created from various aspects of the boomer’s counter culture movement?
I would certainly agree with that, it was a cancer that never left society..
Baby boomers do not exist. Concern yourself less with what “they” should be doing and more with what you should be doing.
In my lifetime liberalism has gone from “Hey lets make sure everyone has a say” to “We need to help minorities have an equal say” to “Hey lets be open minded about other cultures” to “All cultures are equal” to “Check your white male privilege” — the next step will be Nuremburg laws for the white male. Then the camps. Then the ‘showers’
Unless something is done to stop this I’m afraid you might be correct.
I’ve never seen it that way. Good take. They were the first group to try ‘counterculture’ and hippy ethics. Okay, they tried it and it didn’t work . But it’s easy to make a mistake when you’re trying something new. What is way less excusable are the millenials who are trying to emulate the ethics that so clearly didn’t work.
And then the ovens.
The boomer ‘counter-culture movement’ was the product of the liberal UMC and the UC boomers — mainly because they were the ones who could afford such foolishness.
We MC and LMC boomers basically lived life as our parents had, and incorporated their life philosophies into our own — “work hard”, “save for your future”, “get an education, you’ll be able to get a good job”, etc. Needless to say, we got screwed too. I’m just lucky that I have my military retirement also supplementing my meagre income, as well as never marrying nor fathering kids.
Keep in mind that the media portrayal of the baby boomers, and what they were really like, is as inaccurate as the popular media portrayal of millennials today.
Most boomer men were like guys today: Just going to work, trying to get laid, staying out of trouble, and being overall decent people. They may not have voted the smartest but look at the **** that we’ve gotten over the past 50 years from the establishment primaries. Except for Reagan and Trump, it’s been the same establishment suits.
For the 60’s generation, it was popular to buy real estate because they wanted to put their money into something they could control. Life insurance (whole life) was also popular. Most of them came of age in a generation when they were told to go out on their own rather than live with their parents and have their parents take care of their kids while the family worked. Social security and state houses were supposed to take care of the elderly. Note that this was setup by the previous generation, the “greatest generation” of WWII. So the boomers inherited some bad ideas well as we did.
Out in their own “starter homes”, most saved up and raised kids to go off to school or get married. Some, of course, were jerks and celebrated by the media as hipsters and enlightened such as losers at Woodstock, the great BS orgy. Nixon coined a phrase for the normal man (and woman) “The silent majority”
I know many millennials who are nice people. They study hard, treat people decently, and want to have kids. Even many nice girl millennials (as nice as women can be while busting men’s b*lls at work even if it’s not their fault that’s what they were raised to do). They are largely invisible since after they marry and have kids, they are invisble to singles here.
I refer to this as a Archie Bunker boundary. Ever see “All in the Family.” It was a classic show that portrayed a right wing working class guy, Archie, as a stupid bigot arguing with a smug, but loser, leftist named “Michael” (Archie called him meathead).
Hilarious stuff especially considering the whole show was written by leftists.
It’s an interesting moment in US history because the Archie guys a mere generation before would have been loyal FDR voters and WWII veterans. The left went from a party of helping working class white men make more money to raise healthy two parent families with a woman at home to…
throwing them under the bus.
There are several articles online that go into why if you want to look them up but most agree it happened in the 1950’s or so when the left realized that Archie Bunker and others weren’t fans of the USA surrendering to the USSR and becoming soviet workers. In the 1930’s, the left idolized Josef Stalin AND Hitler as socialist liberals. The film Trumbo idolizes a former “red scare” blacklisted Hollywood writer who, it turns out, was an ardent Nazi supporter and against the USA going into WWII.
The left revealed that when it came to the party, or the people they claimed to want to help, the party was more important. They would have been happy to exterminate every last human being on the planet, other than themselves of course, if they could still be in charge. Non-whites were viewed not only as a quick way to win elections but also as being easier to control.
The capitalist oligarchs were little better since they also wanted quick profits without pesky middle and working class electorates that thought too much.
Most middle and working class whites I talk to may sometimes be low information, or even foolish, but they are usualy quite thoughtful. When I talk to non-white working class guys, they simply like the idea of free stuff OR, in a simple way, are Archie Bunkers who see through things because they are down to earth. They don’t see how Obama’s cronies getting rich is making their life easier moving furniture or putting up drywall. And it’s no surprise to me that Obama and the elites are throwing THOSE guys under the bus too. More of these working class non-whites are in prison than before the so-called civil rights movement. That is certainly no coincidence.
Or better yet, stop giving the boomers so much attention. The media has given them more attention than all other generations of fine folks combined.
The History channel had a documentary about American innovators who followed the civil war. The country was a mess and various industries sprung up as the cotton plantations become less of a source of (dirty) wealth and the northern industrialists developed cars, electricity, and firearms (mostly out of Jersey).
Looking back, the “turn of the 19th/20th” century was more remarkable than the one we went through. People went from walking on dark street with oil lamps and waiting a week for the mail to airplanes, recorded music, instantaneous communication, and radio. (Yeah, a lot of this happened in the teens). But still… rather amazing compared to the derivative stuff we have today that’s basically warmed over 1970’s tech.
First let me say I am a boomer born in 1955. This was the peak of the baby boom, 1947 to 1963. The counter culture you are blaming everything on was not a product of the baby boomers. We were still in diapers or at the very least in no more than junior high at the
time. The anti-Vietnam War protests went on long before I got to college, and I am at the peak of the boom (at the peak of the protest period, 1968, I was 13). Most of what you gen X and millennial idiots like to blame
boomers for was done on the watch of the greatest generation and the few born during and just prior to WWII. This includes the Hippie movement of the 60s (I was 5 in 1960 and 13 during Woodstock), No fault divorce (signed by Ronald Reagan, governor of California, in 1969 when I was 14), and Feminism, which started in the late 60s and grew huge in the 70s. The huge government spending programs, which are bankrupting the nation now and for which you blame the boomers) were passed under the leadership of LBJ in 1964 (once again I was 14 at the time and did not have the power to stop the legislation).
And if you think the greatest generation passed on great wealth, which we boomers squandered, you are truly delusional. My parents were typical Greatest Generations.
They were poor in the depression, fought in WWII, and were working class (poor but borrowing to live in the suburbs, ending up with not a penny to their names) during the unprecedented post war expansion. My siblings and I had to support my parents in the end because they had no money. So, where is this great inheritance that I should
now be passing on to you (you entitled asshat). The post war expansion in the US was a period of prosperity never seen before, and not likely to be ever seen again. The world was destroyed and needed rebuilding. That is everywhere in the world was in ruins except the US. Out of this wild enriching period my parents passed on to me exactly one pair of whitey tighties. I left home at 17 to go into the military. I sent back everything I was wearing on induction day except the underwear I started with. I never received anything else, nor did I expect them to give me anything else.
I was born in 1955. My grandmother hid in the cellar as a girl during indian raids and lived to see men walk on the moon. Her garage still had a stable for the horse that pulled the buggy. I will not see such progress in my lifetime. The cars are better than they were, but are still just cars. The phones are mobile now, but are still just phones. I will see no fundamental new technologies, except for the computer revolution, which is pretty much sputtering out.
Not only that, but your grandmother probably grew up without indoor plumbing.
My wife and I were watching Fiddler on the Roof about a Jewish family forced out by the Russian purge of 1910. It was a farming community similar in technology probably to about 200 years before. My wife recognized many of the items featured (such as a milk canister with a lid on it.)
When filling out visa paperwork for my father-in-law, I noticed that his father was born in… 1910. That got me to thinking how amazingly different their lives were from ours.
Yet, as you observe, unlike the Back to the Future paradigm, we don’t have hovercars or self-drying clothes but rather more innovative ways to distribute Justin Beiber music on our iphones. Depressing.
My grandfather actually fled from a famine in the area popularized in Fiddler on the Roof. He and his family fled the 1892 famine in what was known as The Pale, an area that is Belarus/ Poland/ Ukraine today .
My father-in-law’s father changed his name to sound Armenian for protection during the same time period.
Може земля бути теплою ковдрою для них і пропонують їм комфорт і відпочинок.
Sorry, my grandfather demanded that his family only speak English, because he wanted them to become 100% American. I remember a few words from my childhood, but at age 60 the memory is pretty fuzzy.
Economically speaking we may be poorer on average than people in the 70s. That’s down to governments spending our capital on welfare and warfare.
The problem is that you are generalizing from your own life and experiences to everyone in your generation. Basically, you are saying ‘I clearly didn’t get my dollop of privileges and goodies. Therefore, most people of my generation must have been similarly disadvantaged’. There are more differences among individuals than among generations. Just because some generations are more advantaged in some respects than other generations, does not mean that all individuals within those generations will be similarly advantaged.
It is a common human characteristic to project one’s own experience onto wider society, or assume it is representative of wider trends. This has long been a major factor in how feminism operates. Often women who have experienced abusive relationships with men, or simply have the misfortune of being physically unattractive and ignored by men, project their experience onto wider society. i.e. men must be systematically oppressing women across society as a whole.
It is understandable why people think like this. It is easier to believe that one’s own experiences are representative of some wider trend, as you can gain psychological comfort and a feeling of connection with a wider group. It is also psychologically harder to deal with difficulties when they are not shared by others (for example, it is psychologically harder for people to deal with poverty when living in a wealthy society than it is to deal with poverty when living in a poor society).
“Fiddler on the Roof” There is the problem, it’s not just mank justin Bieber.. The mechanical reproduction of art allows propganda to to distributed as entertainment on a massive scale. In this case as a musical. Fiddler on the roof and the myth of pogroms are just another form of bullshit used to manipulate present western populations because when presented as moving pictures the emotive parts of the brain can’t tell that it’s not reality.. (See Andrew Joyce’s article on the pogrom nonsense on “the occidental observer”.). On the other end of the scale we have Kanye West taken seriously.
That glorious constitution and declaration of independance, people would do such things because of it.
I’ll be the first to say that the current climate of accusing anyone who criticizes Jews as an anti-semite is a form of “political correctness” free-speech suppression. Then, much like now, Jews who claim (and to a great extent, are) intellectually learned people are all the more culpable for their double standards of pushing marxism and open borders to weaken the host states that support them while using capitalism and cronyism to gain power for themselves. This generates tremendous resentment in their host populations ultimately resulting in repeated pogroms. For chosen people who pride themselves on being intellectual and smart, they sure are pretty “dumb” and refuse to learn from history. Even now, most Jews I know are leftists who support “affirmative action” and discrimination against their host Christian white population and the importation of Muslim immigrants to vote for their party and then they’re shocked and angered when their host population no longer supports them while the immigrants seek to attack them.
Then again, “white knight” white male Christian leftists I know are particularly retarded even as many of them are quite well educated and otherwise intellectually alert but I know plenty of gifted people who are masters at mathematics but can’t tie their own shoelaces. I don’t think a pogrom is in order but rather a simple awakening of gentiles and Christians that perhaps we should start thinking of ourselves for once rather than making everyone else happy.
I’m not sure if it will come to that, but I don’t see how some kind of civil conflict can be avoided. The two sides are just too deeply divided. Maybe a new secessionism – Red states over here; Blue states over there?
Yes, you make good points. It’s very easy to label this or that generation en masse as The Cause of our problems (guilty, m’lid!). We’ve all played our part in the general morass that is modern life. There are plenty of responsible BBs, just as there are still many decent kids today. But who will prevail?
“your grandmother probably grew up without indoor plumbing.” Doctors can fix even that these days.
Now, now!
Why does nearly ever post on RoK, no matter what the subject, end up mentioning “Dem Joos”?
“Maybe a new secessionism – Red states over here; Blue states over there”
I am guessing what is now the usa could fragment to 3, 4 or possibly 5 separate autonomous nation states.
As long as you’re Learning usefull things, education is great. Just don’t pay a fortune what you can get with self discipline and a Library card.
Discipline: the difference between what you want and what you really want.
So true ,they wonder why as a generation they’re getting the blame because they deserve it brother.
so true
I agree with everything said above, but I want to point out that Millennials are about to compound the problem a thousandfold by voting en masse for the Free-Shit-That-Someone-Else-Pays-For candidate.
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Fuck you and your bullishit. More lies they keep feeding ignorant youth.
You may be surprised to learn that millennials are more complicated than you might think. In the last few elections, most young white people (including college students) voted Republican or independent, not Democrat. The left has driven old white people out of the party which is pretty amazing when you consider that a majority of them ultimately will collect social security, an FDR program.
It may appear that young people love Democrats because, in order to remain relevant, they’ve had to replace the electorate (there’s another word for that: Genocide. Check out the English King’s strategy for the Scots in Braveheart.) it’s mostly race entitlement seekers (namely, non-white racists) that vote Democrat from that age group.
And even then, there are cracks in the net. African Americans are being thrown under the bus for the La Raza (the race) Hispanic and CAIR (Islamic) voting blocs seeking benefits. It’s like those heist movies where the crooks always wind up turning on each other. No honor among thieves.
I am a female millennial myself, and I totally get what you are saying here. A majority of millennials were raised with helicopter parents who forced them to go to college because it is what both the workforce and the government public school system expected and shamed people who didn’t want to go to college (at least in the extreme leftest area I live in). Millennials are neck deep in college debt and can’t get a job with their college degree, so they expect Big Brother to come in and help them.
Millennials were raised from an early age to be ‘innovative!’, ‘the next civil rights movement!’, and ‘the most educated generation!’ especially by the media and the public school system, and they expect some kind of return from the government because their parents, teachers and the government always stepped in to helicopter help them as children. This ‘helicopter helping’ is known to be common by millennials because they grew up in a economic downturn and saw firsthand what unemployment and government help looks like. Also, they got to see ObamaCare come and meddle with their lives along with the ‘no one is safe from terrorist!’ frenzy that came after 9/11.
They are used to the government constantly being a second parent and want to be more successful that what they saw with their parents in an economic downturn. Unfortunately, these kind of ideas are unconstitutional to some degree and are extremely flawed. My ideologies have changes for the better when I started reading articles from this website, I just hope other millennials can do the same.
About the cracks in the net: I’ve seen that happening for some time now. Blacks hated the Koreans who moved into their neighborhoods and turned empty, burned-out buildings into thriving businesses. And now they hate the Hispanics for taking the low-wage, show-up when needed jobs. To add to that, I’ve seen many cases where a department will be all black, and when a white person is put in, he’s harrassed until he quits. Usually the blacks are scamming overtime or destroying/stealing things, and they see the white employee as “the man.”
It’s not just the the Hispanics competing with blacks for jobs but also space in the welfare neighborhoods. Welfare state blacks chased out whites to the suburbs and looked forward to grabbing the government jobs in the inner cities (such as the DMV). Now Hispanics are doing to blacks what blacks did to whites via sheer numbers.
It’s all fun and games until someone puts out YOUR eye. 🙂
But sure, this is an example of diversity ultimately coming to be too “diverse”. When it’s not just white males getting thrown under the bus. It’s hilarious.
Can you elaborate on your Braveheart example? I tried googling it. What was the strategy of the English king?
To breed the scots out effectively via noble rape “right of Prima Nocte” where English lords would require every peasant to subject their bride on the wedding night to sex (and impregnation) by the lord.
For the record, this is a legend made up by the French (probably the revolutionists) to attack traditional monarchies. Even the poor peasants who had few rights of the time (the middle ages) were largely protected by the church from such treatment (this is how the origin of chivalry actually happened where it was to protect the poor of BOTH genders until romantic f*ckwads in the upper classes made it about treating whores like princesses.)
Anyhoo… Braveheart portrayed that British king as a rapist and heretic who also was cuckolded by Wallace from his wife having sex with him. It was a huge F-you movie towards the Brits. Hilarious.
Yes, Millenials make Baby Boomers look like The Greatest Generation.
Excellent insights.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/prima-noctum-first-night-modern-day-marriage-license/
The solution to this is actually deflation, which has occurred in software, -70% + a year, and, the software that is deflating is software that keeps getting better in quality.
Capitalism causes deflation, it makes you rich through making shit obsolete while inspiring innovation pressure
if they make something similar that you already have, you won’t spend your money, to get you to spend money it has to be so much better you can’t resist, and this pressure to innovate is what makes it so powerful since money is smarter than people
you wont spend 600 on a new phone that’s only marginally better, but one that is a huge leap will temp you, so this is where the money is,
money = complexity+time
take the dumbest person you know, and then offer a large sum of money for something, suddenly they are no longer dumb, like magic
Once material things are printed as open source files and just information, this same deflation will happen,
the only expense would be the material… many which will be transmutable , need one object? object deforms and reforms itself automatically into something else, so the only thing you own is basic material and a replicator of some kind,
it will be interesting
yes, what will people do who have a 100 IQ? they would be useless compared to bots and AI”S, but we will most likely have some kind of external brain chip,
(the 100 iq represents well educated students with healthy brains in a developed country) so it may even be optimistic
don’t fear mind-reading, its already too easy to read you, for example here is my attempt in 30 seconds:
a) you think this comment is dumb
b)you think my attempt to suggest you think this comment is dumb is dumb,
c)you want to read the other comments,
d)you think people are too dumb to make this happen
e) whatever man your lame
^
everything you say is presumed upon us getting “Star Trek” style replicators which our 3d printers are are not able to match — yet.
I predict in the ‘new order’ ownership of the 3d printer/replicators will be the show of ‘wealth’, thus they will be expensive to make and/or highly regulated by the government. Probably some kind of ‘licensing’ system as well propagated by media horror stories of people making their own weapons.
lol
Yes the boomers got behind the reverse mortgage trend and a great number of them will leave nothing to their kids other than debt. Whatever equity will be left in the family home will be small.
I’ve met kids whose parents live in 3 million dollar homes who aren’t counting on getting any inheritance.
I agree
Great, great points. The our grandfathers experienced the Great Depression and the criminal government that caused it. Now the collective money that was built up from our grandparents’ hard work at rebuilding the country. And you’re right: The more money you have, the worse your life is. Money can get you forms of security, but it eventually makes you crazy. What 1 percenter wanna-be’s don’t realize is that the inflation rate from “keeping up and staying in the game” keeps the super rich in constant psychological problems. I’ve known some pretty rich people over the years, and if they didn’t earn ulcers and sky-high psychiatrist bills from maintaining their fortunes, they would have been gobbled up and turned homeless by the other rich bastards out to get richer and richer. And to make it worse, their children are totally inadequate to survive without the trust funds. People get rich, reproduce, and then the fortune goes to keeping the miscreant children alive. See Paris Hilton.
Only a hand full of the Baby boomers get to feel the repercussions of their selfish decadent lifestyles. Alot of them managed to mitigate the effects of the real estate bust because their children moved out before it happened so they either took the loss in property value and went to smaller housing with their spouse or they already were settled. The Boomers who are now in the last 10 years of their work life may or may not have felt the effects with nationwide layoffs, but their seniority and severance pay (which was a real thing back then) no doubt left them in good positions. Its Gen X who now bear the sins of their fathers whose entire career is now defined by how long they managed to stay with a company before their inevitable layoff. Gen Y now gets to take it up the ass with student loan debacle that will enslave them for life and the constant fear they have that their job will be replaced by automated technology. Thanks Boomers.
Does anyone know what socio-economic movements directly or indirectly influenced this? I think its too easy to blame this on counter-culture and feminism giving consumer entitlement to women etc…One can look back and see people like Ayn Rand and her anti-collectivist philosophies leading to the virtue of selfishness. I think people misconstrued her (or maybe not?) and only believed in serving thyself. Where the greatest generation before them bore the world on their shoulders working in mills and factories 40-80 hours week to provide just better then a meagre living for their family.
“I think people misconstrued her ..”
She was definitely misconstrued by those with collectivist ideals. The point was that relying on yourself and making your own standards sets you free from being held to the demands and whims of others. Anything you derive from your labors would be free to dispense as you pleased and not by a small caste of politically connected shills.
“Gen Y now gets to take it up the ass with student loan debacle that will enslave them for life and the constant fear they have that their job will be replaced by automated technology. ” — and H1-B’s…our politicians are actually enabling the whole sale colonization of our last productive sector by the entire Indian subcontinent.
You got that right!
Yep, everybody who was born in the 50s thinks the same way.
Its as if they have rose colored glasses on ,and they haven’t noticed the major societal shifts that have taken place.
I have to agree. Many boomers have become the generation that destroyed the “bridge” of knowledge and values that had been handed down from generation to generation. There are selfish people in the world (always) but it seems like that generation was the worst (selfish) and many hand offs to younger people never took place. Thus, it left the generation after them standing there scratching their heads.
I’ve had to go back, at times, and use what I learned from my elders to help “right the ship” so to say – call people on the carpet when needed and ignore all of the PC bullshit out there today, infecting our society. We’ve lost our way as a society and much of it had to do with a generation being pretty selfish.
It’s up to us (men) to get things back on track. I know I’m calling people out (doesn’t matter if your a man, woman, white or black)….I’ll give you an earful if you fuck up. To me, it starts right there because if you look at things, everything is upside down, today. We give women and minorities a pass on certain things while holding men (especially white men) to a different standard. If you’re offended by this statement, then good…but think about it. Decades ago, we wanted civil rights for everyone and today we’re trying to shout down certain segments of the population because they don’t agree with the narrative. Our freedom of speech is under a real threat. That’s as real as it gets.
so true
You’re so truly funny.
thanks
Wow. Generalize much? I was born in 1963. As such, Im considered a “Boomer”. I was far too young to have participated in any protest, and if I had, my father would have whipped my butt. There are plenty of back end boomers who have worked hard and contributed to this country, and cannot stand what is happening to it now. Wasnt too long ago that GenY were considered lazy and shiftless. My how things have changed. Blame much?
Yeah but you were a teenager in the 70’s….had to have been good times.
Only for the UMC and UC boomers.
The boomers were the generation that brought us into this brave new world ,that’s why were so indignant towards you’re generation and were not angry at you. As an individual ,but we are upset with you as a generation and most of the political class are baby boomers in America and Europe and so it goes with out saying. So understand were not talking about you as an individual ,in a sense were putting you’re generation on trial. And if you want to stand out from the hippies ,you should condemn them for the damage they caused brother.
Born in ’61. If it’s my generation, so be it, but I pay for my parent’s and paid for two grandparent’s care for fifteen years and at age 27 a step-son finally left the home as he had “saved” enough money to put down on a house. (I left home at 17.)
You can spend your time telling folks how mad you are at them, but I’m with englishbob on this one; solve your own problems just as I’ve had to do.
Go ahead and put the generation on trial. And then what? You want to joke about elderly folks having nobody who cares? What do you think it’s going to look like for you?
I’m not angry at you boomers ,just disappointed as we all are!
Take a good hard look at those who are living in 3500+ sq foot homes. You won’t see people in their fifties, sixties or seventies occupying them. Go ahead and be disappointed, but get your facts straight. Boomers were sent to Viet Nam by boomers? Boomers were saying the same bullshit you are about the political class then. Again, what are you doing about it beyond “putting us on trial for the decades we were born in” just as the stupid hippies did in the late sixties and seventies? Ever hear “never trust anyone over thirty”?
I’m more disappointed with the music of the 80’s and 90’s and on…new wave and punk are the killers. Now it’s rap…
The 90s had some great music ,lets not forget Grunge with talented bands like Nirvana and Alice in Chains and I don’t like rap either and you also forgot about new metal. With bands like korn drowning pool and slip knot! Lets not forget that our political class is made up of mostly baby boomers ,I respect you’re parents generation because like us they had to go through allot of shit. WW2 and the great depression ,these were a generation forged threw hardship and gen x and y can relate to them more then boomers. Even though allot of them are no longer with us ,and I don’t live in a big ass house either and allot of us younger people have been living a minimal existence as well. If you weren’t some socialist dope smoking hippy ,who later became greedy yuppies who sold their children down the river. Then it doesn’t apply to you brother!
I grew up at twelve and was helping work a farm. I can agree with you however, that a lot of city kids spent most of their time reflecting on being “tha shit”
Born in 63 you are considered gen-x by some.
love this.
Now do it for the so called greatest generation….boy, the bill of goods those fucks sold us smh
Yeah this is pretty much happening to the old hippies in California… Jammed into a corner at a $5000 dollar a month nursing home.
Oh the hippies ,they are on my list of people I don’t want to be around for more then one minute and after that its good by.
I am a millennial and I would say we’re the worst generation. Such an entitled and whiny bunch – the point about mortgaging your children’s and grandchildren’s futures proves that. My grandfather released equity on the house he worked his whole life for – that is his right. Yeah, it sucks when I consider my grandad basically remortgaged his home and now I won’t inherit it, but inheritance is not a right. Generations before you don’t owe you shit. The ‘enjoy your life in a nursing home’ bit proves what a pathetic entitled bunch millennials are, I work my ass off keeping my grandparents at home, because family is first and foremost, as it was in my grandparents time. I mean this shows everything wrong with millennials, won’t help people but expect those same people to leave them the assets the worked so hard for when they die.
You have good intentions regarding your family, but you are young and haven’t seen first-hand the destruction of Western economies like maybe Gen X have, wrought by the Boomers.
It is quite different for millenials, as their parents are Gen X (generally), and Gen X’s parents were Boomers. For those of us above 35 and not Boomers, we saw the wholesale destruction of our intustrial economy, and literally no protests by the adults at the time (Boomers), no social/ political organisation to fight neo-liberalism, except in working class mining communities, who were crushed. You haven’t seen, first hand that destruction, or how the Boomers, once they had bought their houses in the 80s, stopped building new towns, essentially guaranteeing house-price inflation (shortage) for the younger generation. It was the Boomers who created these hideous care homes for the elderly. My parents are Boomers and used to bang on about responsibility and looking after our parents as they opposed care homes, yet they dumped their parents in them (which gives them a 2 year life expectancy) with typical Boomer hypocricy.
One only needs to look at the population tree graph of USA an the UK to see the huge dip in child births for those now aged 35-44 (Gen X), which looks like a major war has taken place and wiped out 15% of the population of that age, as the boomers rejected having children (it was a brainwashing eco-topia plan by the elite which they bought into). That demographic hit has crippled the West, as the Gen X had neither the population levels or the economic security (due to millions of jobs being exported, and house price inflation) to have large families.
We are now, Gen X and Millenials, basically slaves working to pay for the massive retired population – of which many retirees are now passing the mark where they have been retired longer than they worked! Unless our economy becomes fully automated (robotics), we will be working until death as the social security system has been so burdened by them – as well as the healthcare system; just look at Boomers and how fat they are. They are repulsive to look at.
The millenials might be the worst generation, but it’s not they who started this, they’re just the most indoctrinated of all generations.
Nursing homes, the Death Row of the elderly.
so true
100% accurate. Let’s not forget a couple points which seemed to have been overlooked:
-A college education is the surefire path to success.
-Do what you love.
Couple things my Boomer father has told me. Never got any advice from him in terms of attracting women. In some ways I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. I think that socially speaking he is quite aware that things have changed, but as far as career outlooks goes, he’s clearly still stuck in the 1980s.
And of course invest in housing, it never loses value !
Well 2008 came and …
2008 passed. Smart investors buy and hold then sell at strategic highs.
Wealth is created by market movement, not by stability.
Wealth is created by production. Not by buying the right assets and waiting for them to rise in value.
mostly wealth is created by corruption….i.e. getting a tip off as to when that “market movement” is going to happen and in which direction. the only wealth i can respect is the wealth created by entrepreneurs that actually respond to a real problem, not the problem of opening another donut shop. i.e. Elon Musk (hopefully) pushing down the cost of energy to near zero.
I reject your cynicism. I’ve made a ton of money without selling my soul or harming other people. You axiom is rejected.
It is created in many fashions. Or do real estate tycoons somehow only earn pretend Hasboro game money?
I thought inciting the notion of rewarding folks for creating real value wasn’t being so cycnical. But if I was cynical, it probably has to do with the fact that I used to work in banking, I’ve seen quite a lot of “below board” transacting going on.
Real estate value goes up, when the potential of someone doing something with the land, goes up. Be it industrial or agricultural, somebody actually has to use the land to produce something. Real estate tycoons don’t just trade the land, like a day trader trades a stock or commodity, they also help develop the property. Ultimately, there must be someone offering a good or service that didn’t exist before, for the value to go up. Everything else is just speculation.
I am a boomer father and this is the exact opposite of the advice I gave my sons; not that I was listened to anyway. I told then to get some kind of a quick certification, get a job, and let the company pay for their college while they worked. Finish school with no debt. I also told them the facts of life about the percentage of graduates employed in each field after one year,by major, and the starting salaries, by major. I told them I would not support any underawater basket weaving courses for them.
Like you guys here, they thought I was an old idiot (redundant really) and didn’t know what I was talking about. 45 years of work experience and educated through PhD meant I was an idiot it seems.
I’ve been telling my son for years,”I’m glad I didn’t have to do it like y’all do it”. Back in the the day if you wanted to talk to someone you called them at home or you went and found them.
I couldn’t handle the constant texting and social media that young people do, most young men now can’t do anything like work unless they can do it one handed. Just having to be in constant contact with EVERYONE at all times would drive me up the wall.
The problem comes down to the fact that we are unwilling to face female nature.
Our vision of female nature is a romanticized one. It was an image created to serve a function in a world were men had to be providers and distrust towards women would have been a nail in the coffin.
Of course, women who are close to our ideals exist, but they are very fragile due to being a result of a very specific environment that is hard to preserve and easy to spoil.
Anti male attitudes and slutdom naturally arises when male population and resources stabilize.
This problem was evident already at the start of the century. Great quote from Tesla
“The world has experienced many tragedies, but to my mind the greatest tragedy of all is the present economic condition wherein women strive against men, and in many cases actually succeed in usurping their places in the professions and in industry. This growing tendency of women to overshadow the masculine is a sign of a deteriorating civilization.” — Nikola Tesla
There are only 2 solutions, collapse or imposing a social order that would maintain the delicate balance necessary to have proper wives for men, and proper husbands for women.
As for financial advice.
Boomers lived in a bubble of temporary prosperity. They believed it will be like that forever. Their advice has been useless for 30 years, but these geezers don’t care. They took their pensions and moved on.
Not to mention their values were a retarded fad that came out of the post WW2, and anti vietnam war sentiment. John Lennon’s “Imagine” should have died out in the 70’s
The generation of 68’ers failed. It is time for us to pick up the shambles and rebuild the world.
http://www.amerika.org/lifestyle/generation-identity-a-declaration-of-war-against-the-68ers-by-markus-willinger/
I’ve said that to my father numerous times. The Boomers grew up in the most prosperous period in American history. They had opportunities and benefits available to them that we will never have, no matter how hard we work. When my father first started working at UPS 30 years ago, he was making the equivalent of $20 an hour today. $20 AN HOUR AS A STARTING WAGE! And yet these Boomers have the gall to tell us to “just work harder.”
Also, don’t forget this was before the massive inflation and before the prices on houses or college degrees skyrocketed.
I’m not saying him in particular. But yeah.
He was a boomer and only started working 20 years ago?
Thought I had made the edit. He started at UPS about 30 years ago, though it’s probably closer to 35 years now. He dropped out of college in the mid 70s, which is a major reason he’s always pushed me to go to/stay in college, and worked a series of odd jobs until the early ’80s, when he wound up at UPS. He’s been there ever since.
Sometimes Disqus doesn’t auto-update so old posts, since edited, still appear unedited. If that’s the case, my bad.
Exactly! If he started working 20 years ago, he is not a boomer. I have worked for 45 years. I am a boomer. I will get nothing like the retirement my factory worker greatest generation father got. Also the guy that got a great starting wage in 1972 is still working for the same money (in constant dollars) as he was then. Meanwhile, the prices of everything have gone up. Wages have been stagnant since 1972, so how is it that we boomers were blessed by fantastic economic advantages?
Wild reading this comment.
My father has also been at UPS 30 (plus) years. You’re exactly right. When my father began at UPS, the starting wage was equivalent to something-like $20/ hour today.
(I’m pretty certain the starting wage at UPS now is around $10-$12/ hour.)
My father’s aware the world that he grew up in no longer exist for his son. However … he’s definitely naive to how things truly are thanks to 30 plus years at the same good paying job with benefits and retirement.
My father got in right after college. My dad is from a medical family so he was looked down upon for taking a job at UPS. 30 plus years later, he’s only few years away from retiring with full pension. And those in family who thought he was foolish for taking job at UPS decades ago certainly don’t feel that way anymore. 2 of them lost their high paying “professional” jobs and now struggle with a $12/hour income.
I don’t know if you know about European medieval history, but women would be more free in our version of traditional patriarchy than they were after the French Revolution.
For example, there were jobs only a woman could do, and for these jobs, a labour court for women only.
All of this gone after the Revolution.
For all the talk about “socialist utopia”, during the early Soviet Union women in the communist apparatus were obliged to have sex on demand, later they were allowed to refuse during 5 days of a month (cough cough). They also banned marriages as marriages were seen as an oppresive burgois traition.
Traditionalism gives women more bargaining power in the dating market and the job market as well (as you mention). But humans being predictable women threw away their bargaining power for easy sex, which cheapened their bargaining chips, so in order to compensate they must use misandric laws were you can be accused of rape due to regret sex.
Traditionalism will make a comeback in the next years, mark my words. Revival of traditional religion and customs as well as national pride are inevitable if you look at what is happening in Eastern Europe now.
Honestly man, I think the only way traditionalism will return in the west is forcibly through Islam. Christianity as it is now is pretty much dead.
I don’t know. Most of my friends are at least cultural Christians, despite our atheist Republic.
Also there were some raging anti sodomic marriage protests in France, circa 2013, with a very active Catholic youth at their head.
It’s bad, but there’s some hope.
As a Catholic, the only real hope I see for the Church is another schism (away from Pope Francis), or that Francis’ papacy is a very short one.
You are posing a valid question. We must reinvent tradition.
Hitler though christianity to be too weak so he created an ideology tied to race. We must think of something of our own as well.
Yep, read The Rationale Male….a good one.
http://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/
And after that, read ‘the manipulated man’.
I call BS. The romanticized version of women is due to a relatively recent notion of chivalry popularized in Western/Western Europe and England and brought over by the Brits. This is why feminism in the states is toxic second only to Sweden. Americans raised in this culture think that American culture is universal including the role of women. That’s why the most easy way to get red-pill is to go overseas (the more East, the better). It’s a shock to the system. It’s like seeing that the speed of light isn’t a constant (it’s not.) (Kind of. Note the tricky way I put that.)
We’re like fish in water here so much so that we can’t even imagine that water exists.
Tesla really said that? Wow, he may be my fav genius of the 20th century!
My grandpops was born in 41, when I first started dealing with chicks he told me only 2 out of 10 were worth keeping and out of those 2 only 1 of them wanna to keep you. 😂
It just depend on what cloth your pops was cut from…I’m of the belief that a sucker today would have been a sucker in the 50’s and a sucker from the 50’s would be a sucker today.
Sometimes when I hang out with my old man, I’ll show him how wild these chicks are on snapchat and instagram…he always say they had to have instant cameras to get sluts naked on camera, he think we have it easier because every woman today leaves how hoeish she is out in the open. If you get took, you wanted to.
Man if I was serious about a chick that was loose on social media my pops, uncles, cousins, hell even the female family members would make me feel lime the biggest sucker of all time lol.
I may be inclined to give them a pass on relationship advice, but these selfish fucks screwed nearly everything else up. Every problem we face, from the hurt feelings brigade, to equality at all costs, to the fiscal precipice, is a direct result of Boomers’ intentional rejection of the past order, and contemporary selfish “I want mine, someone else’s problem in a few generations” attitude.
Perhaps the Boomers have some Responsibility in society’s downfall, but Millennials are the current Generation , the fact the Current generation can’t get it’s act together Makes Millennials also responsible for Societal Decline.
The child is the father of the man. What we learn in youth is what we believe when we grow up. Our parents are responsible, but to a large degree without guilt. They can only teach us what they already know.
When we get down to it….it’s going to take men to fix our problems (today). We can look at the past and blame but it will take us to fix our problems now (and it will include the Millennials because they will be around longer than I will at this point).
We’ll need men (again) to fix these problems….just as in the past.
Man, then we are REALLY fucked. Don’t expect much help from Millennials. Only a handful of us are aware of the truth, and I think the brainwashing is too severe to be overcome en masse. When even the leftist teachers and professors are beginning to fear the monsters they created, you know we’re in some deep deep shit.
They won’t have a choice but to help (to change the place) because it’s their future. Again, some of us won’t be around so they can either fight for it or die.
My dad is as Masculine as it gets, but he has no Idea about Modern woman, and he’s not Ignorant, and he knows a lot about Politics, he’s just never stopped looking at women the same way he did 30+ years ago in a different Time. I get into battles with him a lot about women, and he white knight’s sometimes, he lack’s modern experience , while i’m boot’s on the Ground dealing with it. His advice about women was for his Generation, not mine.
The best we can do is to not keep the same perspectives on reality as we age. Business and Culture are two very fast shape-shifting animals that does not wait or care for you to adapt. It changes and either you change with it or you get left behind in your own delusions.
I can see that happening. The problem with feminism (and society) is that over the past decades it has given women a pass (on everything). Society has propped up women (especially single mothers) like they are the best thing since sliced bread and they can do no wrong.
Your job (as a man) is to not buy into the bullshit and call bullshit when you see (and hear) it. That’s the difference between a boy and a man. Too many younger men won’t know how to do this because they’ve been brought up in that system. They worship single mothers (and women in general) like they are Jesus or MLK (I’m surprised that many don’t have their pictures on their walls). – back to the point.
Men don’t give anyone a pass and they call everyone out on bullshit. Don’t be afraid to offend (anyone) and treat everyone the same. That means when a woman is being a cunt…you call her on it and you tell her to knock it off. It’s that easy. Women haven’t really changed since “back when”…it’s only society that has changed (putting women on a pedestal).
The gym that I use hosts occasional events for single moms where they get all kinds of freebies.
The monthly cost is a little north of $60 and although the gym provides classes, a pool, free weights and machines, I can’t help but think my monthly payment subsidizes events like that. Does a gym really mimic how welfare works, for Christ’s sake? I couldn’t prove it either way but something stinks. I’ve been a member at gyms that had all of that for $20-25 a month.
Planet Fitness at $10-15 a month might be a more feasible option even though their whole business model has been feminized as to avoid hurting feelings and intimidation.
Oddly enough, this simple thought process that highlights frugality and the avoidance of subsidizing family units that fuck America up, well, it would have me fighting claims of misogyny. Goodbye, America.
It’s because the modern woman isn’t a woman. I am not exaggerating when I say that I would have trouble even getting an erection with 95% of them. They are so disgusting, masculine, depraved, and worthless. They have destroyed themselves. Even when they have physical beauty, they do what they can to hide or destroy it. And their minds are toxic wastedumps. I am not just uninterested in them, I am repulsed by them.
On the other hand, when I visit a conservative country with feminine women, I walk around with a hard on all day.
I am an old fart married to a youngish Filipina. Long ago, before I started looking in Asia and after I had given up on any woman corrupted by America, I was discussing women with a guy even older than I. He described to me his satori, or “Aha!”, moment with regards to women. In AA this is know as a moment of clarity. He was sitting at a neighborhod bar, an unpretensious place to go and have a couple beers with your buds. The women at the bar (bar hoggers) were noisy, obnoxious, bitches (nothing unusual so far). He was contemplating the nature of life (ok maybe he had had more than a couple beers) when it hit him like a lightning bolt from a clear sky; these weren’t women, they were men with tits. He then decided to go to the Philippines, and got a real woman for a wife. He advised me to do the same.
In many ways I envy you guys in your thirties. Not old enough to have received all the good things the Boomers had, but just old enough that you had the chance to game without all this rape hysteria if you were so inclined, and if you wanted to settle down, have the opportunity to go overseas. My cohort will not have that. We came along just in time to see the whole world, east and west, turn to absolute shit.
90s were awesome. Even with the Internets, we still had to write down girls’ phone numbers and email addresses. We still had to call their homes and deal with prospective in laws, sometimes on pay phones. I can’t tell you how many quarters I spent on pay phones calling girls, only to have parents cussing me out not to call their little princesses, followed by them hanging up on me. And yet, I’m glad to have been part of the last pre Facebook and Twitter generation. The last generation to practice game before it was called game, to not having to swallow a “red pill” because it flowed through our veins. The last generation that didn’t need to rely on “likes” to actually be liked. This one is for you 90s, you who abandoned us on September 11 2001. We salute you.
I’m just old enough to have called up girls on the home phone (when I was a teenager) and made polite small talk with their folks. One dad was quite the wit and I would have to endure his teasing banter for several minutes before he’d put on his daughter. It was all good natured but I knew exactly what it meant.
I met that girl again recently. She got fat, got married and had a baby. Her younger sister is a Tinder whore who has slept with more than a hundred men. I know this because she brags about it. What’s the old man supposed to do about that now he’s in his seventies?
This reminds me of this “date” I met thank god she turned me
down and she said she had 10 other dates. Dodge a bullet on
that VD girl.
Shit, remember going to the mall to meet girls?
The mall, record stores, flea markets, public transportation. It was awesome.
Ahhh the good old days!! Lol
I’m old enough to be your dads. I’m a success in the modern world.
Took the red pill. That’s all that matters.
Haven’t been back here for over a year. One of my past comments was just upvoted so I thought I’d drop by. If you little snowflakes think you are so special that older men can’t help, I’ll check back in another year from now.
Shit.
Acknowledged.
On everything.
Good seeing you GOJ.
Cheers
Miss the good ole days when the phrase “whipping out the selfie stick” was an euphemism for masturbation.
Some Baby Boomers I’ve encountered whine and moan about that dirty commie FDR, yet don’t complain when the Social Security check comes or perhaps when Medicare pays for their Viagra or their prostate exam.
And this is the spawn Baby Boomers shat out. Some 20 something woman has been telling others not to save and enjoy life as it comes. You be the judge of this tripe. As a bonus, Lauren Martin, the woman who wrote this, only seems to write about love and sex.
http://elitedaily.com/life/savings-20s-something-wrong/1214445/
Possibly the worst advice, one could ever give. I have savings, no debt, a two year degree, and still working on completing my BA (paying my way through), and wow, this just confirms my long held belief, women truly, are stupid, dumb, and only succeed in beating us men, because we allow them to have mastery over our emotions, instead of neglecting the shit out of them, being emotionally distant. Gotta love this brave new world, that we are living in.
I would like to introduce this girl to some people in their 50s and 60s I’ve met through my life journey. The kind who thought like she does, all YOLO noregrets mentality. And where are they? Miserable people who live day to day, living on nothing but memories and pity. And ironically, a bunch of regrets.
I seen a video early 2000s about a senior who did not save or
have any money and crying about social security not being enough to live on.
That was one of them videos that made me want to save for
retirement and be even more responsible with my money.
This is so retarded that it merits a full point-by-point beatdown, but alas, I have a job and not enough time to devote to writing the tome necessary to address the full spectrum of idiocy on display here.
Take this:
“$200 a month isn’t going to make the dent that a $60,000 pay raise will after spending all those nights out networking.”
This sage and erudite statement was penned by a woman who “moved to NYC to write fart jokes at Smosh Magazine. Making her way to ED, she now writes riveting commentary on nude pics, condoms and first dates.”
Sweetheart, you’re never going to make a $60,000 pay raise unless you start serving as a Dubai port-a-potty, and you aren’t good looking enough for that.
Also, you’re not “networking” if you’re hanging out with a bunch of other hipster dipshits who have no more money or prospects than you do.
Don’t worry though, she probably does have a plan for the future: Sanders 2016!
My old man did try his best. But it is woefully inadequate. He thinks we are still stuck in 1960.
The upside is that I know a good deal he never did and never will. This is a blessing and a curse. Knowing how humans really work sucks, but it also allows for better choices in life. Time will tell what the net result is.
I’m glad my dad was young during an earlier epoch. I enjoy the info-rush of being young in the present day but his constitution wouldn’t handle it.
What ? A Blindlo post with no mention of the amygdala ?
When life is easy it doesn’t develop. And it has been for that generation.
I know, thanks to you I’ve read about it. Was just teasing you.
I’m no neurologist but it does make sense.
Do you think it is the reason why nowadays so much people freeze when attacked in the street ?
Absolutely. Take a look at this article.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/12/machete-wielding-man-attacks-israeli-christian-ohio-restaurant-several-wounded/
He went from seat to seat just hitting people and apparently being uncontested. While reading that story I was thinking about how I would have gotten up and fought back before he made it all the way down to me. Adrenaline pumping and everything.
At the risk of making myself unpopular with the clientele, there is a small subset of anime that is worth watching even for people like us. One of them is psycho-pass. It’s about a soft Orwellian-ish society where people have their brains scanned in order to determine their personality, and anyone with aggressive tendencies are removed from society. One of the results of this is that when some criminals find a way around this and start attacking people in the street, all the bystanders just stare at it in confusion, not believing that it can be real. That’s what a society of exclusively docile r-type people would likely be like.
I believe you’re right.
Also, there was a point of yours I wanted to address : you once said that Religion was too divisive to be used in our fight, and survival of the Race would be the ultimate motivation for resistance,( I hope I don’t distort your writings).
Here is my view : one thing I’ve noticed is people never fight for survival alone : they run away for survival, they convert to the invader’s beliefs for survival, they suck cock at gun point for survival… but they don’t walk toward enemy lines nor fight until death.
I think people genuinely need an absolute to be motivated to fight. “Gott mit uns” as the Wehrmacht’s devise stated.
There is a reason why even Stalin acknowledged that and brought back the Orthodox Faith to motivate Russians against the German offensive.
In France for example, the biggest opponent to liberals and muslims are the Catholic rightists, and they’re also the more active.
Religion is, apparently, a requirement for a functional and lasting society. But it only works when everyone believes the same thing. That’s why unbelievers have historically been cast out of society or just outright killed.
But when part of the population believes in god, another in global warming, and a third group think both of those factions are nuts, people turn on one another.
Believers are not going to stop believing and atheists are not going to take up the faith. I see no solution to this beyond finding something even more important that can unite everyone, and the only thing that comes to mind is survival. But not enough people understand the very real danger we are facing, yet. More people must die and children need to starve in the street before that has any chance of happening. And it will get worse until it either happens or we are simple replaced by people with stronger convictions.
Again, my point in the case of Europe is : if people are given a choice between fight for survival to the death (oxymore), or survival under Sharia, they’ll choose Sharia.
The fear of the absolute power judging you after death, is what drives societies to resist. I think it was in Portugal that jewish mothers prefered to drop their children into wells or slitch their throats, when the Christian authorities came to convert them. That’s what we should count on.
It doesn’t matter if you’re an Atheist or not (in my case I was one until a few years ago), the side with the most Tradition in it will win.
You may be right, at least to some degree. My own resistance against the islamization (this is now a WORD, spellchecker.) of the west is not so much love for my people (I can’t stand the current version of my fellow man) as it is opposition to the idea of letting the sand people win.
But then why did people fight in the past? Chimps go to war much like we did in ancient times, but I have a hard time imagining them believing in the Great Ape Gods in the Sky. And now I am imagining a chimp pope preaching to the masses, how wonderful.
Perhaps the answer lies in the monkeysphere http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html.
If in the past we lived in groups within the above explained bounds, then mere survival may have been enough reason to risk death. But as agriculture was introduced and populations grew and turned into nations we are far, far above those numbers and so may have needed something additional to motivate us, that being religion.
If that is how it works then the only hope now is that things turn so bad so quickly that it will be a choice between fight or die. Fortunately that looks to be a possibility, if the projections for the western economic collapse cirka 2020 hold. Interesting times.
I also agree with you there, to a degree.
My resistance against sand people kind off follows the same pattern as yours, I don’t love my current people, but I love the cathedrals, what remains of Europe’s medieval culture and religion.
I think I’m ready to die for these things, as these are the things that are keeping me alive.
I think religion starts with consciousness, what I would describe as the birth of the soul, and chimps may not yet be conscious enough to wonder how they got there in the first place.
But I’ve heard of some kind of rituals going among them, as well as among elephants.
Not my mother. In May of 1958, when my father was 31, he married a fat, unattractive 19-year-old hillbilly girl who needed dental work. (I was their first-born in November of 1959, so do the math. Grandpa Langley didn’t have to threaten my father with his shotgun to make his daughter an honest woman.) Dad was 6’2″ and he made a good living by the standards of 1950’s Oklahoma as a pharmacist, but apparently he couldn’t do any better in finding a wife, and I never understood the attraction. From hindsight I wish my mother had died a few years after I was born and Dad had married up so that I had a more attractive stepmom for the girls to see when I was a teenager. That might have improved my dating prospects.
What a shame, i do not know your mother, but you seem to be without any love for her… That is sad, very sad.
Very accurate. I feel like showing this to my father, who is a great parent, but has no real dating advice other than ‘dress smart, be nice’.
Whenever I go out or go clubbin and he sees me wearing a T-shirt and shorts, he’s always indignant, insists I put on a suit. I keep trying to explain to him that would make me the most over-dressed person in the whole club. He’s never quite got the message.
I love my dad but this article speaks the truth. He never really taught me much about girls except one time when he told me to never carry a girl’s books. I didn’t understand what he meant at the time as it was back when I was blue pill but now, it makes sense.
Still, his advice is usually to find a good Christian girl. Despite my explanations of how even Christian girls are infected with feminism nowadays, he thinks it’s not as bad as I make it out to seem. I even expressed my interest in going to a Catholic church as I’ve had about enough of the feminism-infested Protestant churches in America. All the people there that worship with this sense of emotional high makes me sick to my stomach. My dad knows something isn’t quite right with the churches here compared to the churches back when he was in Romania but he won’t even listen to the idea of trying to go to a Catholic church. He, like most people who haven’t read much about the Catholic faith and teachings, think it’s not the true Christian faith.
I’m grateful for my dad but I can’t really discuss today’s issues with him as he doesn’t quite get it. Thanks to ROK and others such as Rollo Tomassi, Dalrock and even all the commenters here, I finally have the tools I need to make it through this life.
“All the people there that worship with this sense of emotional high makes me sick to my stomach.” – I am intrigued by this line. Any chance you could elaborate?
At a guess, and at the risk of speaking for him, there’s a massive difference between the “God inspired, speaking in tongues” approach of some Protestant church services and the calm, ritual nature of a Catholic Mass — even now, even with Vatican II foisting guitars on choirs and making congregations sing the whole bloody thing like it’s an opera. Take a look at Aurelius Moner’s last article on prayer and you’ll see the difference.
(Or even Protestant churches back in Europe. Generally they’re a lot more stolid than the US version of Jesus-shouting from what I can tell.)
I’d guess to a lot of Catholics the sort of emotional state that some Protestant congregations work themselves into during a service just seems a bit … wrong. Fake. More like hysteria than joy, more like just the madness of a crowd than contemplatively worshipping God. Catholics tend to be a lot more orderly and ritualistic about their church services, it’s just the nature of how it’s been passed down to them since before the Reformation.
I’m not saying one is right or wrong. That is just probably what the difficulty is.
I’m guessing basically they sing songs that could be easily written about your dog, girl, truck, etc, instead of God or Jesus.
Also called “Jesus is My Boyfriend, Lover, etc rather than Lord, Messiah, Master, etc”
Worship is geared towards the emotional aspect. The band sings up front and they try to make it an experience where you ‘feel’ God. The more emotion you show, such as singing loudly, crying or closing your eyes, the closer you are to God. It’s downright creepy and stems from Gnosticism. Feminism is corrupting anything it can get its hands on
All the ‘advice’ like ‘be yourself’ or ‘it will just happen’ etc. that was listed in the article above, I followed long time ago. The result was a life of loneliness and frustration. Frustration because of not being able to understand why it didn’t work. Even when girls are ‘good christians’, their boyfriends often did not match the type described by my parents and others.
Until a red-pill friend of mine introduced me to Return of Kings and Roosh V in late 2013. And the fog of bullshit vanished in front of my eyes like snow in the sun upon reading several articles. All the questions and anomalies I couldn’t understand before suddenly became clear. I finally knew why my parents’ advice didn’t work, who women really are, why they are like that and what to do about it or how to make the best of it. I started self improvement, improved my body, my social skills, my confidence and traveled to other countries.
While I’m still far from where I want to be, it already payed off. And it payed off a lot. And if I’m going to have children, I hope to share this experience with them and help them avoid wasting a couple of years of their life with blue pill bullshit.
yea parents who lie to their sons about how the world works are destroying them, or at minimum wasting years of their life leading them astray.
If I had a son I’d tell him the whole fucking truth at a young age. Why let them suffer because you don’t have the balls to tell them the truth?
I don’t understand why it’s so hard to tell them the harsh fucking reality about women. You’re only hurting them by sugar coating things.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/da/da48d59a804a90adc8874004ed62d326b6a3e007e42c6383f17c688599c02044.jpg
“I even expressed my interest in going to a Catholic church as I’ve had
about enough of the feminism-infested Protestant churches in America.
All the people there that worship with this sense of emotional high
makes me sick to my stomach. My dad knows something isn’t quite right
with the churches here compared to the churches back when he was in
Romania but he won’t even listen to the idea of trying to go to a
Catholic church. He, like most people who haven’t read much about the
Catholic faith and teachings, think it’s not the true Christian faith.”
Roman Catholicism isn’t the true Christian faith, neither is any Reformed (Protestant) version, and the girls aren’t any better. As far as the worship, most of the Roman Catholic churches in the USA use sappy 70s style folk music, basically imagine enduring the two songs below every Sunday for the rest of your life:
Versus:
Get out of the USA and go back to Romania if you can, or even better, Russia. Your dad didn’t do you any favors coming to Mystery Babylon. Otherwise move to a state in the USA with enough Orthodox to find a homeschooled virgin.
Orthodoxy: Catholicism without the additions, Protestantism without the subtractions.
Man, what is it with all the Orthodox church cock-sucking around here? It’ll be corrupted eventually. Just give it a little time.
Actually he was trying to make a point there:
Nr. 1 Vlad Basarab Draculea or Vlad Dracula of the Basarab dinasty were all of Christian Orthodox Faith, which is a pretty big deal in the country of Romania.
Nr. 2 Christian Orthodoxy although not incorruptible, derives every teaching, prayer and lesson inwards and towards God. The idea is to see that shit that you do wrong, before asking help from God.
Not so much ,,cock-sucking”, rather trying to make a point to the ones who actually have an idea about it.
You should learn a thing or two about Christianity my friend. It’s Red Pill and it does not allow you to be in the grey zone – you’re either with God or against Him. It’s that simple.
Weren’t you just shilling for islam a few minutes ago?
How many Orthodox Christians are there in the west? Not as many as there are protestants. I’m not putting down Orthodoxy, but there just seems to be so much groupthink around here in regards to Orthodox Christianity. In regards to Islam, I think that realistically the majority of Christian denominations have become too pussified to make any difference in the West. Catholicism might have been able to, but Francis has put the last nail in the coffin of Roman Catholicism. Orthodoxy is too small, at least in the west.
There are chirstian faithful in the west, but we simply do not have the limelight nor do I believe they actually care. The hedonists can have it. It is easy, and understandable, to generalize, but I think there is a deep seated Christian root that is inseperable from the west no matter how hard those who try to erradicate it. We are not going anywhere.
I have yet to see how islam is attractive to anyone who wasn’t born into it. I spent some time in the ME and they have their own plothora of pathologies that keeps their lands in the 7th century. The only muslims I personally know who seem to be actually happy with their lives are the ones living in the west.
Let’s be clear about one thing in all the “my denomination can beat up your denomination” bullshit that goes on around here: whether you’re Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or even bloody Southern Baptist Convention, if you’re on this site looking for advice on how to score pussy other than that of a wife to whom you are currently and validly married, while professing to be a paid up, genuine member of that denomination, you are one of two things:
(a) ignorant of what the Bible and your denomination teaches, or
(b) a flaming hypocrite.
I can’t think of any Christian denomination that regards pre-marital sex or indeed adultery as anything other than sinful. If you’re a Christian you recognise you are by your nature a sinner, in need of salvation, and if you’re not working on your nature consistently you need to go and pray hard for help because your faith’s in trouble, son. If you’re a Christian you recognise you’re not perfect but neither do you deliberately go pissing in the face of Jesus’s teachings.
The way in which you work out your own salvation may differ, but if there’s one thing that seemed to piss Jesus off in the Bible, it was idiots who ran around pronouncing how their denomination was solely right and and therefore better than everyone else around them.
You think your denomination is better than everyone else’s and is the only authentic form of Christian worship? Then go ask God to make everyone in the West a member of that denomination: the Bible tells us you are commanded by Jesus himself to evangelise the Good News while also praying for and loving your enemies. Every Christian denomination reads from the same fucking book, and that book says whatever you ask for in faith will be granted, so maybe you should get right on that ASAP, and perhaps learn an important lesson should it come to pass that not everyone converts to your denomination overnight in accordance with your prayer.
Maybe to demonstrate your good faith to God for Lent in asking for something like that, you might consider promising not to chase every piece of ass that comes your way with a miniskirt and silicone lifepreservers in its chest.
Let’s not forget there were a lot of fucking denominations among the Jews at the time too: Zealots, Pharisees, Sadducees, Gnostics, you name it. Jesus didn’t seem to have a lot of time for any of them and regarded most of their distinctions as arbitrary if not flat out dishonest at the best of times.
I don’t think ROK can effectively balance the game/hedonist material with the more spiritual material that’s been becoming more frequent. Maybe Roosh should create a spin-off site. (Reaxxion notwithstanding.)
On the subject of Christian salvation, that’s one thing I’ve never really been able to fully, for lack of a better word, stomach about Christianity. So I can spend my whole life trying to live a good life, praying daily, doing good works, and (hopefully) get to Heaven. But someone can live a life of mindless hedonism, repent on his deathbed, and still get into Heaven.
“Kristian Kratom : God is my spotter”
Bible never condemns pre marital sex or concubines. Read it.
I know we’ve had our differences, Caesar, but that may be the best post I’ve seen on RoK. It cuts through the hypocrisy like a machete. The only addition I’d like to add is that in chapter 22 of Deuteronomy couples **who seriously intend to marry** are given something of a pass regarding premarital sex. But that’s a far cry from “game” or PUA.
It sounds like you are advocating for orthodoxy but not Orthodoxy.
I see what you did there.
I did. Try St. Paul. Or try The Man himself: look at a woman lustfully and you commit adultery with her in your heart.
Noted and acknowledged, Mr. Mallard.
The question being: if you’ve lived a life of mindless hedonism, how genuine is repenting on your deathbed and indeed how meaningful can you make that repentance with 10 seconds left to live? After all, Jesus was all about substance over form.
That aside, on this sort of issue I like the (paraphrased) advice Dante Alighieri proffers in The Divine Comedy on the subject: querying what seems divine injustice is better seen as an occasion for faith than reason, mainly because God hasn’t gifted us with his omniscience to see what’s just in his eyes and what is not. Anyway.
In passing — Catholicism renders as a specific sin that of presumption, the act of knowingly committing a sin with the intent of just getting absolved for it afterward, which perhaps would be one of the most dreadful hypocrisies of all (leaving aside the fucking of children en masse, but that’s another ball game entirely, not to mention not the exclusive province of the Catholic Church or even churches.)
And adultery as defined in the bible is only speaking about another man’s wife.
As a cradle catholic let me say that the Catholic Church in the US has been pussified and enslaved to the FI for decades. I stopped going to church when it became an intolerable mangina driven organization in service to the golden vagina. So, don’t go there seeking refuge from the feminist western perversions.
I don’t think that is overly sugar coating it.
Preach it!!
It’s a good thing that many young men are finding (or found) ROK, Rollo and others. The problem, again, for so long is that feminism pretty much took over society. Unless you had a father or grandfather who was red pill to the core then you were lost. Lost to a single mother (maybe) giving false advice about dating and women, lost to the media always promoting feminism (and women in general) and lost to politicians who were always pandering to women and their “needs”.
It was only when men banded together (again) to discuss these issues that many younger men are now finding solid ground and solid advice. I’m happy to give out advice to younger men on a regular basis (usually at work). I tell them not to make women their entire lives, always look to improve their lives on all levels (in other words, make yourself the first priority). Feminism and this PC bullshit have been diseases in our society…we have to purge them.
The great illegal immigrant or “migrant” wave in Europe may be the tipping point where we can reverse some of the damage. We can tell women to get their shit together or it’s back to the stone age (in Islam) for them. We can offer them to get back to their part of the bargain (being women, again) or then can go live that type of lifestyle with no rights (being wife number 10 with 80 kids).
Men, we have a lot of work to do.
I still dont understand why so many men here White Knight for women living in Islam. We make it sound like women actually have it sooooo horrible in Islam when in reality, I would bet money that most women in Islam have it better then most men since they are still protected and coddled by men there. Am I way off the horse here or is it that anti-islam perspective is overriding our red pill mastery?
Hell, it’s worse than even *I* realize and I read ROK almost daily. I can’t wrap my head around the modern American woman and dating her. I can’t even be motivated enough to use them for easy layups. It’s almost like the dating situation considerably worsens each *month*.
I am the boomer dad of several millennial sons. I was divorced in the 80s, and widowed in the 90s. I went through another divorce in the 2000s. I have dated and been exposed to the heinous conditions of modern women to a degree you haven’t been. The 20 something girls you dated in the 2000s were not nearly as horrible as the 40 to 50 something bitches I had to deal with at that time. Women age like milk both external and internal.
When I give my sons advice it is based on recent history, and experience, and totally from the red pill perspective. Do you know the reception this advice gets? Apparently, I have a psychotic hatred of women. This is a direct quote.
The rot runs deeper. American culture has now been under 2 generations of toxic feminism. But its definitely accelerating. Your dad is probably clueless unless he’s been divorce raped and had the red pill forced on him as a suppository.
Yup; and I have the tshirt too.
My father got screwed over by my mother, so he understands how things are. My grandfather is the one who constantly gives me advice on women, even though he got married 64 years ago.
You know, I’m getting a little fucking tired of some posters blaming the Baby Boomers for so many of their problems. It’s a bullshit lament. If you’re a Millennial, then look in the fucking mirror…..because YOUR reflection is the source of many problems occurring today. You MILLENNIALS are the ones who CHOSE the Internet as a surrogate for emotional intimacy, and now both Millennials and Gen-Xers are paying the price for it.
It was absolutely NOT the Boomers who perpetuated the depraved modern version of liberal progressivism that we have today, but rather the proliferation of Internet “culture”. Once there was a smartphone in every girls hands, it was GAME OVER. It’s not the Boomers’ fault that 20-year-olds are addicted to their fucking smartphones.
I became a legal adult in the late 1980’s, and American culture and politics were not so completely POLARIZED a mere 20 to 30 years ago. We didn’t have smartphones, with high quality cameras. We did not post hundreds of “selfies”, to be consumed at-will on social media, so that thousands of sexually thirsty men could provide young females with ENDLESS validation……making these girls believe that they are GODDESSES, rather than ordinary people. We didn’t have Blogger, or MySpace, or YouTube, or TINDER, or FACEBOOK, or PLENTYOFFISH…….with hordes of sexually desperate men providing endless validation for FAT TATTOOED SINGLE MOTHERS, who’ve had sexual contact with over 20 people.
We did not have fucking TUMBLR, and the depraved liberally progressive culture perpetuated by it.
Yes, Tumblr is now a potentially powerful culture-changing political force….
Once we stop talking to people face-to-face, and choose Internet communication instead, IT WILL CHANGE US. It already has changed us. Now western women can casually go WINDOW SHOPPING ON THE INTERNET when looking for a mate, and because of the social and genetic differences between men and women, western men will ALWAYS get the short end of that stick.
Now we have a culture that encourages welfare for single mothers, with legalized “divorce rape”, and imprisonment for men (who lose their jobs) who fail to pay court-ordered child support…… all of which STRONGLY participates in the DISINTEGRATION of the nuclear family.
Now we have this bizarre situation where a 30-year-old white western woman who is only 5′ 5″ is weighing 200 lbs, has five tattoos, three ugly body piercings, unnatural-colored hair (or a shaven head), hipster glasses, having sexual encounters with 20 different people, and has two children from two failed relationships…..and somehow, this has become the new “normal”.
I never saw women like that 20 years ago.
Oh, and it’s now “politically incorrect” to judge emotionally disturbed women for this type of behavior.
The specters of third wave feminism, “doxxing”, liberal progressivism, “gender fluidity”, Cultural Marxism, “fat acceptance”, and rabid SJWs are only flourishing now because these toxic ideas were endlessly parroted by upper-middle class white liberal pseudo-intellectuals ON THE INTERNET.
Blaming the Boomers for this is pointless, BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAD TO LIVE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. What “Boomer” could ever have predicted the future mass proliferation of toxic “Internet Culture”?
Your 60-year-old “elders” share with you the advice that enabled them to flourish when THEY were young, because it’s the reality of what they know. It’s not their fault that they don’t fully understand how much the Internet has affected modern culture and politics for every western man and woman under the age of 50…..since the extent of their Internet experience is Facebook.
Basically, blaming old people for not adapting to this new world is not merely petty, but also misguided. The Boomers did what worked FOR THEM, in a completely different era of human history….when western culture was very different from today.
Just remember….
….if we had a “zombie apocalypse” tomorrow, with the collapse of the Internet…..this toxic “progressive” culture that we have now, would dissipate within a fortnight. Very little of this “progressive” cultural and political nonsense would be able to perpetuate itself without “Internet Culture”.
True , the internet , although being the infinite pool of wisdom that it is today if we know how to use it , really helped perpetuate these abnormal behaviors that we see today. The pandemic of self-obsessed people.
Good points. I think I am only slightly younger than you, but back when Regean was President it was definitely a different era than the over-politicized times we live in now. The Republic I lived in is gone.
We remember that time fondly because we were young, but it was no paradise
“..but it was no paradise.”
No one said it was, but no matter how you slice it it was a better decade than the last 10 years in all aspects.
Not impressed. Comment ignores the groundwork laid for divorce, obesity, abortion, benefits culture, and the general moral degradation of the country as a result of boomer-era policies and elections. Facebook is a symptom, not a cause. Screw.
Edit: I forgot to include birth control in the horrorshow list above
You are deliberately missing the point.
The culture wars that we have today are perpetuated by the mass proliferation of INTERNET SOCIAL MEDIA and “Internet culture”.
Without a PC, laptop, and tablet in every home…..this politically polarizing culture war would not be possible today. Without a SMARTPHONE in the hands of every person under the age of 50, this culture war would not be able to happen to such a radical degree.
You know what? Let me put this in terms you can better understand….
(1.) Putting a SMARTPHONE in the hands of every western woman under age 35, CHANGED OUR CULTURE.
(2.) The mass perpetuation of Tumblr feminism CHANGED OUR CULTURE.
(3.) The ability to spread ideas in small, manageable chunks via Twitter CHANGED OUR CULTURE.
If you think that these facts have not CHANGED OUR CULTURE, then I have to assume that you are YOUNG….and have not yet seen HOW the cultural changes to western society happened.
When you’re a young adult….before the real cultural changes happen, it can give you a sense of perspective, when western culture radically changes before your very eyes.
In other words, if you haven’t been on the Internet for the past 20 years, then you would not understand WHY all these cultural changes are happening in the first place.
You forgot to mention that even though the rot was set before the Boomer generation came, the Boomers with their second hand thoughts and naïvitee just metastasized the cancer, completing the rejection of all traditional values and religion in the West. Don’t blame the hardware, the software was set up and it wasn’t set up by the Millenials and Generation X.
Whether you like it or not Feminism, equalism and many other ills and not internet are the virus. Internet, just like transportation means (ships, aircarfts, cars, transport infrastructure) just makes the spread of the disease easier, however they are not the cause…
Ok, stipulated, sure, tech has changed our culture, as did the electricity, the car, telephone, and television, which were also revolutionary in social scope and impact.
That said, thinking that Facebook and Tumblr and Twitter and Smartphones and the Internet have had the same degree of effect as:
-Fundamentally disconnecting sex and children (there’s your abortion and birth control link)
– additionally and consequently rendering the institution of marriage largely pointless through no-fault divorce, CPS, gynocentric courts (read about those false rape accusations on ROK for more on that)
-overriding natural attraction cues like, oh, BMI regulation through paternalist government-promoted and subsidized shitty diets
– the feminist movement which has been agitating for the destruction of the traditional family since the mid 1900s if not the 19th century
– destroying structural incentives for people to work and be productive through welfare, gov’t jobs, gov’t benefits, and large-corporate-friendly red tape
– the crime of the modern compulsory schooling system, in place since the early 1900s, expanded through the 20th century, and with its purpose as creating indoctrinated consumerist workers
is small-minded and misses the larger scope of what’s going on. Mass-distributed attention-whoring is bad, but it’s a symptom; Facebook and Tumblr and Twitter are mirrors to the culture but they’re not the drivers of what’s going on. The tech titans are relatively easily supplanted and are in vicious competition with each other; it is much, much, much more difficult to reverse cultural attitudes that have been in motion for generations. We can’t wholly blame Facebook for birthrates and marriage rates that had been falling for decades before it was around, but we can recognize it as a harmful accelerant.
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Unless you actually grew up without the Internet, and then later immersed yourself in that Internet “culture” (after adulthood), then there is a good chance that you won’t quite understand how much Internet social media has radically transformed western culture and society.
Most millennials are TOO YOUNG to fully understand this, because most of them didn’t live through this cultural change…..and most baby boomers are TOO OLD to fully understand this, because the old are slow to change….and they never truly immersed themselves into Internet “culture”.
(1.) Tracking down and punishing “deadbeat dads” on such a large scale is very hard to do WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(2.) Perpetuating the myth of “rape culture” is very hard to do WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(3.) Mainstream educators would not be quite so liberally “progressive” now, WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(4.) “Doxxing” and “progressive Internet social justice” is very hard to implement WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(5.) Fringe lifestyles would really struggle to be normalized today WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(6.) Almost half of American women under age 35 have tattoos, because women (much more likely than men) are obsessed with following trends. Trends like this would not be perpetuating themselves on such a large scale WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(7.) Fat tattooed women would not acquire widespread social validation WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(8.) We wouldn’t have so many hordes of people preaching the merits of globalism, rather than nationalism….WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(9.) “Fat acceptance” would have no legs to stand on WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
(10.) Feminism would not have mutated into third wave feminism (on such a large scale) WITHOUT THE INTERNET.
There are lots of great things about the Internet, but it brings a ton of baggage along with it….
What’s with the abortion thing. If one of you “gamers” has a rubber slip off, you’ll be thanking your lucky stars for abortion
BC came out in 1960. How is that a Boomer fault? Boomers; 1947 to 1963. In 1960 I was 5 years old. Are you starting to blame kindergarteners for the politics of today?
Ok, legit point, that we don’t blame people for consequences and use of things that they aren’t directly responsible for creating.
But I disagree with your assertion that Boomers weren’t responsible for the social impacts of birth control. To your example, BC was approved in ’60, but became massively popular through the late part of that decade (i.e, coincidentally just when Boomers hit their 20s and beyond), leading straight into the ‘free love’ and facilitating feminism as an expression of rebellion against (up to that point) traditional American values & society. This is a direct reflection of Boomers coming of age, and the widespread generational adoption of lefty morality, equalism, and born-free-ism is manifested in the problems the original article here mentions. (to be fair, I’m not writing to you, since you were there and saw it happen; I’m a bit younger and am addressing for folks more my age). Would you really attribute moving the needle on social acceptance of birth control to another generation?
So, every generation is standing on the shoulders of giants, or maybe more accurately moral degenerates… at least until the advent of male contraception, sexbots, and Donald J Trump.
I’m Gen X, but blaming Millenials for the culture they were bestowed won’t get you anywhere. The seeds of our cultural destruction were planted before the Boomers were born
Yes, this has been an ongoing trend since the Seneca Falls Convention and earlier. Divorce culture started with the “Tender Years” doctrine in the 1870s, not in the 1970s. We are all part of the long, long, fall into decadence and decline.
I’m one of the commenters who was critical of the Boomers (Gen-X myself), but I’m going to upvote this comment because I agree with the general sentiment that blaming other people for your current problems, or whining about who did what in the past is weak and feminine. Men take responsibility for themselves and play the hand they are dealt to their best advantage.
Having said that, I still stick by my assessment that the Boomers fucked us royally. I’m willing to concede that they didn’t intend this result, and that the rise of the internet and other technological changes you have pointed to enabled society (specifically Millennials) to pervert some of what the Boomers did. But here’s the thing, at the end of the day, the Boomers still planted the seeds that have borne rotten fruit. Sure, it could have turned out better, and that imaginary utopia is no doubt what the Boomers intended. But I don’t give the Boomers anymore of a pass for their lack of foresight than I would give the average German a pass for their lack of foresight in voting Nazis into power throughout the 1920’s – sure they didn’t foresee or intend Hitler, but that’s still what happened as a result of their choices.
So yes, I’m critical of the Boomers. And no matter how noble their intentions, they set the stage for the destruction Millennials wrought once they had the technology to do so. But I don’t focus on blame. I focus on my own goals and how best to attain them within the constraints I now face, which should be the approach of all men.
When I was an adolescent my tradcon dad told me to get a good job, respect women, be nice to them and in return they would be nice back to me. I quickly found in the ensuing years that nowhere to be found was the sweet, pretty nice girl who responded so much to niceness and financial security. I watched my asshole older brother bang girls I nursed massive crushes on and had been nice to.
Then I found game. 568 approaches and some dozens of hookups later, I realized the truth about women today:
First thing I learned is that yes, there are sweet, nice, traditional girls out there, but they are hard to find and have been homeschooled or sheltered in a deeply religious lifestyle their whole lives.
Number two: women today (as in the beginning of time) LOVE LOVE LOVE a man who emotionally tortures them so crank out that asshole game. This is where my father’s advice fell dreadfully short. He and my mother told me to be nice to girls and to work on getting a good job. I soon stumbled on the fact that teasing hot girls seemed to make them more attracted to me than anything else I could say. My later game studying confirmed this.
Number 3: If you believe every woman is deep down a flaky, disloyal slut who will inevitably disappoint you then you will always be proven right. I dated a quiet, nice girl who was a classically trained church organist. Any reasonable person would think she was a saintly virgin. I soon found she had a history of cock jumping and being banged in the nastiest places.
“Nastiest places”? The church pew or up the ass? 🙂
Both.
Shit man, I’m currently looking for a wife and I’ve set my eyes upon a church going girl. She gives me the green flags of being a good wife and mother, but who the fuck can be sure about these things ?! Once you marry her and you find out about the ,,nastiest things” she did, you have no choice but to divorce. So there comes the idea of a prenup agreement. That should be a savyour if any.
I believe the best thing you can do is just embrace the player lifestyle. It’s been good to me but it does get tiring and can leave you feeling very jaded at times. However, it is still the best alternative to being stuck in the typical soulless, disloyal LTR most guys dream of having. Once again, if I was into marriage I know exactly what kind of girl I would marriage and believe me I know many girls who would fit my standards.
FORGET prenups!! All Cupcake has to do is shed some crocodile tears and spin a BS story about how she was ‘coerced’ into signing it, and the judge will toss it in the trash. (For men, all that prenups are good for is generating extra income for the lawyer.)
Instead, go to a divorce lawyer near you for a counseling session on “Family” Law and get the REAL truth. It’s money WELL spent because it’s cheaper than a divorce!
If it is allowed, also go to some sessions in a Family Court and observe the proceedings — if you marry, you’ll see what has a 50%+ probability of happening to you.
And remember: she may not be ‘Like That’ right now, but after “she has the ring on her finger” she CAN become ‘Like That’ at any time in the future without any warning at all. That’s because she has PLENTY of incentive to become ‘Like That’ then — because she has the full support of the government, the legal system, the media, and society.
Don’t say that you weren’t warned.
Sorry son, something is always better than nothing. Black on white is paper black on white.
Your dad was right; he said women would treat you “nice”, and they did. They just didn’t treat you as sexual
My dream girl in high school was a quiet cello player with green eyes, big tits and raven back hair. She was shy and reserved and had a real sense of mystery about her. I just assumed she was ‘special’ and ‘different’ from other girls until I found out she was much worse than the girls I thought were low class in high school. She was the nerdiest hot girl I had ever seen, and back in those days guys either ignored her and were intimidated (because they were nerds).
She was a year older than me, so when I finished high school I tried to hook up with her. She blew me off at first but she eventually agreed to go out on a date. After we went out on a few dates I found out quickly that she was a ravaging cock monster who turned into a major slut right after she finished school.
Needless to say the spell was broken and I learned a valuable lesson about women well before I knew anything game or the red pill.
Yeah this is why I believe the essence of game is assuming every a girl is a slut and bringing out their sexual nature that most try to hide. It seems that even the nicest, apparently non-slutty “shy” girls like the ones we were discussing have so many text orbiters and men messaging them on dating sites and facebook that your game and value really has to be ridiculous to hold their interest for a long-term fling, that is if you decide they live up to your standards.
When I think of how my game, texting skill, physical appearance, body language, approach success/frequency and overall value have drastically improved in 5 years, it makes me a bit disheartened to realize how little of a chance my pre-game/self-improvement self really had in these shark-infested waters.
The dirty little secret is if you’re not emotionally torturing a girl with slow responses and asshole game, you’re just another guy in her contacts, EVEN IF you had a great, fun first date with a steamy makeout and great game/convoing on your part. While most men of this generation will forever be convinced that they have no dating value and be happy to lock down a low-quality woman, most women have their stratospheric sense of value reenforced on social media and expect to lock down the highest quality man.
I’ve decided to take a hiatus from dating, aside from the usual cold approaches to keep my game up. The constant plate-spinning and effort required to keep you sexually fulfilled can get very draining both financially and emotionally.
‘He has faith that the efficiency of Soviet industry and agriculture will inevitably lead to the collapse of the West and the liberation of its Peoples.’ Based on history this writer shouldn’t hold his breath for this to happen. Communism was the complete opposite of efficient in all manner of manufacturing and agriculture, and by no stretch of the imagination were they free. As soon as I read he is a socialist I checked out. I don’t even think a man can be red pill and a socialist.
That’s clearly satire Mr Obvious! What’s next, Roosh is a rape advocate?
Ask him to clarify. Not all posters are mother tongue English speakers.
Disagree. The current economic system is dying of its own internal contradictions. The movement towards a publicly owned economy is inexorable. Isn’t “red pill” all abou accepting realism?
Reality is that even in its over taxes and over regulated and corrupt state capitalism is providing a quality of life that puts anything the Soviets did to utter and complete shame. All of the eastern block countries have yet to recover from collectivism, including Russia. Red pill adherents don’t need a massive, and inevitably, corrupt and inefficient government to make sure everyone fails equally. Red pill men make it on their own terms and on their own steam. Two nations were split into two sides, a capitalist side and a commie side. They had to build walls and lay mines to prevent the socialists from fleeing how great socialism is for that awful and broken capitalism. Both Germany and Korea have conclusively proven that capitalism provides the better quality of life. Proof is in the pudding. Socialists can’t see it because they are too impoverished to have pudding.
During the Cold War capitalism was in better shape, although the signs of decay began showing up in the 1970s-80s. But I’m convinced it was godlessness that did the USSR in. When a government kills and imprisons millions of the faithful and hundreds of thousands of clergy, God is bound to take notice.
I envy my dad’s generation of men quite a bit due to the higher standards of this era. My dad, who was born in 1950, conducted most of his dating throughout the 70’s until he married my mom in 1979. From what he’s told me of them, his courtships, particularly the one which resulted in marriage, seem much more fulfilling, enjoyable and innocent, for the very reasons listed in this article. He still remembers a lot about all the girls he dated; their interests, personalities, and families, and has a lot of very interesting stories to tell about them; you compare that to a lot of guys in this generation, who mostly have memories of random hookups and often hardly get to know anything about their partners. However, my dad’s still pretty red pill despite his coming from a different era, and I have to say he gave me a lot of good advice on girls growing up.
Yeah, I rarely experience envy, but did yesterday, when I was hitting up some Asian girls on social media to try to lay down some leads before a trip out there. One asked if I had a girlfriend, as the concept of a steady partner is a given for their society. One looks nice, dresses well, has a good job, and has a girlfriend or is on the way to wifing someone up. That’s when I realized the idea of a steady partner, a girlfriend, anything other than a FWB, is something guys no longer have in the west. Roosh has alluded to the same when he talks about his shock at having a girl pick up his clothes or cook a meal or something… basically all the positive experiences of dating and courtship are completely gone from the west.
It’s good to know that in at least some parts of the world, traditional courtship is still an option. I wish you well on your trip; sounds like a great opportunity.
“…all the positive experiences of dating and courtship are completely gone from the west.”
For men, yes. And Western men need to know about this fact.
Bravo , excellent article. Very well explained , and very true.
Great piece! But you left out one crucial thing: “Your father did not date the kind of women you date—women who have slept
with 20-100 men AND POSSIBLY WOMEN.” From my experience, “experimenting” with women changes a women and makes her unfit for any type of LTR. People at Heartiste complain about women dating black guys, but a guy is still a guy. When women take to other women, that’s a MAJOR alteration of their sexuality and the way they view men.
I love this fantasizing about the past. I was around in the 80s and trust me, women were fucked up then as they are now. My father got divorced and laid off in the 80s so don’t believe that crap about a “job for life” and a wife “for life”. Bollocks.
If you are confused, watch Eddie Murphy Raw, filmed when? In the 80s, where he talks about the difficulties of relationships in the modern world, divorce and all that.
And trying to talk to a chick on the phone? Nightmare. Trust me, texting is much better.
The downfall of the golden 50’s happened in the late 60’s early 70’s. By the 80’s it had already degenerated.
I blame Madonna…… what a grade A tramp…..
Madonna was a result more than a cause. And everything she did was bubblegum by today’s standards
RAW came out in 1987 and is available to watch on YouTube.
A friend of mine made a cassette tape (taping it off the TV) and got to listen to it… laughed my ass off. It was funny, because alot of it was true.
I love the bit about “LET ME GET MY OTHER FOOT IN THE DOOR BEFORE YOU START YOUR BITCHING” and of course “gimme half Eddie! Gimme half!”
The baby boomers ? The generation who “fought” for the “right” of murdering our babies and consecrated the “right” to poopstab thy neighbour ? The generation who also brought us our current middle eastern chances for Europe ?
Also the generation, who did nothing against credit cards and banks account becoming mandatory, while protesting against capitalism ?
What a blessing.
You forgot them giving themselves benefits and state pensions and racking up insurmountable debt that will never be paid off by the younger generations. Enjoy the inheritance (debt) kids.
I should add the generation who got rid of any traditional / spiritual structures for us to look up to (I really had trouble knowing what was right or wrong growing up) and deprivated us of the right to have a stable family.
I was forunate enough to have been raised in the rural midwest, so my mother dragged us to church every Sunday.
I know about the 68ers in Europe– they failed in so many ways.
Don’t worry about it. What’s important, now, is that men are gathering again. It’s happened in the past and it took us (men) to fix it so it was bound to happen again.
Women are the ones who don’t know how to fix….we do. Boomers will be gone soon and it will be left to us (to fix) once again….we will fix it.
I don’t think it can be fixed. I think the damage might just be too severe to ever be rectified.
The national debt was doubled from 10 to 20 trillion dollars during the Obama administration’s 8 years (2009-2017). You can’t blame all of the debt just on the baby boomers. There’s plenty of blame to go around.
They will be the biggest beneficiaries, but ask yourself where did the $10 trillion go? As two-thirds of national budget is attributed to social security, medicare and medicade and other welfare, it can be narrowed pretty quickly. Who will be around to pay off the +$20 trillion (not to mention the +$65 trillion of unfunded liabilities) debt in the coming years? Ah.
Medicare, medicaid and the expansion of welfare came about around 1965, when I was under 10 years old. Birth Control came out a few years prior to that. Social Security was enacted back in the early 1930s. Baby Boomer women were actively involved in the feminist movement of the late 1960s to 1970s when it was about equality instead of today’s preferential treatment. Just saying that as a child, I didn’t really have any influence on these events so I have a problem accepting all of the responsibility, just because I’m a baby boomer. Blaming a single generation for all of the problems is similar in some ways to having a victim mentality that is used by feminists in which it is always the man’s fault and the woman is not accountable or responsible for anything that happens. Sure, boomers should accept some of the blame but to make them the scapegoat for all of the problems with all other generations being innocent snowflakes is naive. I’m as pissed off as you are with regards to unfunded liabilities, raiding of the SS Trust Fund, expansion of single mother benefits, student loan college debt, inter-generational welfare receipients, etc. I reject taking all of the blame for things that I was not in favor of or because I was too young to influence just because I was born within a certain time frame. I would hope that all men, irregardless of what generation they were born to, would participate in stopping and reversing the family unit destruction trends versus just placing blame. Inter-generational men unite or else the hive mentality of females will continue to dominate.
Just my $0.02 but, of course, you’re free to have you’re own opinion and hold anyone responsible that you see fit.
Born at the peak of the baby boom. What was I supposed to do to prevent Roe vs. Wade, in 1973 when I was 13? You guys really need to study history and learn the dates at which things happened before you decide sho to blame for the faults of history.
Blaming the baby boomers for being raised in a different era and for not being able to predict future changes isn’t fully warranted. Baby boomers who fail to realize the changing dating/mating world of today should definitely refrain from giving advice. Blaming them for failing to realize how the modern dating world would change into a slut festival (via social media) is an unrealistic expectation. It’s difficult to consult your sons properly when you don’t necessarily see what’s coming.
A lot of us know all of this. Myself, I think about this almost daily and curse my luck of being born into the current generation. That being said I acknowledge that while it’s been rough for me, it’ll be far worse for the millennials and beyond. I think Roosh predicted that in 2073 men will need anabolic steroids, fame and daily spam approaches as a prerequisite to get laid. I imagine it will be worse than this but I’ll save it for when I have time to donate an article for ROK.
My life really is a sign of the times. I grew up in an multi-ethnic family, in a neighbourhood that was invaded by an immigrant horde and I even had to abandon my country for one that would give me a job. Soon I will embark to yet another country just to find myself a women to give me children. When I explain this my close friend he tells me I’m mad. Is it really me that is insane, or is it the world? We are fast approaching a world where we cannot get anything of value locally unless it is fought for tooth and nail. Based on the empirical evidence and trends, the future is going to continue to disappoint and remind us how ‘good’ we had it in our time.
2073? LOL. I’m already using all three, so are millions of other guys, if you take into account online approaches.
I don’t think Roosh had gamed in America post instagram/tinder/snapchat. Let me tell you something, you pretty much need a baller social media profile to consistently get laid online with 18-23 y/o. Pretty much every fitness model/personality is clearly juicing, and you need to cast out a huge net of approaches IRL and online.
Like I said all 3 will be a prerequisite. Right now, it’s just a handful of people like yourself that are ahead of the game at home. many others are already utilising intercontinental flight to achieve the same thing with less effort. I imagine this will also be a prerequisite in the near future.
Tragic and true in equal measures. I love my Dad but he has no idea regarding modern women and dating.
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I just wanna know what/where the hell this progression leads? Will we eventually get so sick of the rape culture horse shit and womens bad behavior (the majority even if only 51%, although I’d argue much higher) that we elect instead to port the labial labyrinths of instead our upcoming sexrobot las’s instead?
Inarguably we are on a blazing path to implosion, economically, romantically and the span between. I fear the day when all of the insanity is laid out plain as day in the open and the true hysteria begins (e.g. poverty, looting, yada yada call it Baltimore 2.0 with her friend the bearded lady fem-naz-bot uprising of the age).
Also, man guys it seems like I can’t go a day on campus without hearing inane nonsensical bloviation from girls about this rape culture shit. Thinking it’s time to pull the academic cord and sneak into the trades instead. Someone grab me my plunger it’s time to plumb!
Do both. Learn a trade and continue to knock out the requirements via community/night classes to finish a STEM or finance degree.
The rape hysterics on campus is a small class of priviledged women trying to remain relevant in the public eye (attention whoring).
I feel bad for guys going to college in the US nowadays. I have no idea if I could stand it. Especially given the price.
It’s easy to blame boomers, I seriously have no idea what I would have done in their position. I’m not proud of my generation neither so far…
The hard thing now is making boomers understand today’s situation.
What’s funny is that, they used to encourage young people like me to “fight against the system”, at least symbolically (it comes from their hippie youth). But what they don’t grasp, is that the real counter revolution nowadays comes from the traditional side.
They still think going against the system means smoking pot… whereas being a true rebel now is reading classics, not falling to hedonism and addictions, having faith. They don’t get that.
Also, when it comes to feminism, they have no idea how fucked up the western world is getting now.
They all grew up with solid foundations of a Christian society (at least symbolically). They flushed it down the toilet but at least it helped them become somewhat solid individuals.
Now that they threw religion out, the new generation is growing up without any foundation. I’m betting this will lead the next generation to be extreme, as the pendulum will swing back badly (think nazism or fascism regimes sort of extremes).
“They still think going against the system means smoking pot… whereas being a true rebel now is reading classics, not falling to hedonism and addictions, having faith. They don’t get that.”
Good points made, and everything that you stated in your response.
Indeed the mainstream culture that was before the late 1960’s is today’s counter culture.
Reading the classics is good. Having faith is for sheep
Ultimately everything, even science, requires a leap of faith.
Instead of posting fifteen thousand sneers at me, contemplate how an intelligent man could come to such a conclusion WITHOUT your socially installed leftist anti-religion filters in place. Take a couple of hours, if you have the time, to try and prove what I just said *right* and you’ll perhaps learn something incredibly significant, truth wise.
How about you go study up on Democritus, Heraclitus and Epicurus for a couple of hours before deeming my views to have been installed by modern day liberalism, you moron.
Read the fucking classics for Christssake, and you may learn that American ideological classifications are not the fountainhead of thought and belief
I have, Dennis.
Your world view still rests on faith. All ad hominem to the side of course.
The real ad hominem in this discussion is your stated presumption that I am an unlearned drone whose views were adopted mindlessly through modern American leftist cultural indoctrination. Not to mention your condescending “homework assignment” which is presumably meant to lead me to the conclusion that Cartesian rationalism results in solipsism.
Yes yes so…you have nothing. Got it.
You should probably stop now skippy.
I’ve no intention of stopping; you’re going to get the detailed epistemological debate that your rather boorish comments deserve. I do notice though that you haven’t defined your terms, specifically: “knowledge”, belief” and “faith”, so–like Socrates–I hereby ask: what do you mean by these terms?
Your world view still rests on faith. Get back to me when you resolve the Big Bang OR string theory.
That’s all she wrote, the pencil broke.
As expected you ignored everything in my post. You’re obviously not equipped to discus epistemology and the justification of knowledge, which is the root of the issue
Nikolai, you are naive.
As you may or may not know from postings i make here on this site I am past 40.
My dad is almost 70. He was married once (to my mother) but they divorced quickly because he is an alpha male and has had 2-3 girls in rotation at every given moment in his life.
Until 5 years ago he was living with a 21-26 year old until he kicked her out. Now he has 2 40somethings who work with him compete for his time (MLTRs) and one 30something as FB once a month. With almost 70 mind you.
Then there are the hippy boomers. They know all about drugs and sex.
What you describe in your article is the boring beta male of old. He is as much a sucker as the boring beta male of 2000 is. A boring beta male with no balls, no spine and no fucking life. A slave to the state.
What did change over the past 50 years is the fact that feminism did indeed liberate females from the need to marry and stick with boring beta males. They no longer have to. They can hunt alpha dick in their best 15 years and STILL get some sorry beta loser to buy their worn out pussy for premium rates.
It has never been better or easier for the alpha cad in centuries.
Yep. No woman I have spoken to has a problem with the status quo. Alphas have never had it better. These are short sighted morons, however.. The beta men of today that marry the used up women, I have no sympathy for..
Having said that, Denying beta men something to work towards leads inevitably to collapse of civilisation as you know it. All that innovation you call technology, you can kiss it goodbye. That sweet tax revenue? Gone. Why will beta men work and strive for success if it can all be taken away from them? What’s the point of achieving success when daddy government undercuts you by forcefully taking every man’s money and redistributes it to single moms and hordes of migrants that will further mooch off the system?
This system is headed toward collapse, it is unsustainable. I’m fine with betas learning hard lessons. I’m okay with the Western world becoming Greece. Hopefully the West will study this issue and take steps to fortify patriarchy like Russia.
Why do you blame betas? Most of the betas being hurt by the system today were not even born when all this shit started. But I agree with you guys, there has never been a better time in human existence to be an Alpha cad. Unlimited women and no repercussions.
I don’t necessarily blame them but I can’t feel sympathy for people that make terrible decisions. When I see a jacked guy in his early 20s that makes 6 figures cohabit and marry a single mom I can’t help but cringe.
There are repercussions. Alphas are still men and share disadvantages all of us have – they do not possess reproductive rights. They also lose in a kangaroo family court unless they are rich and can afford ‘justice’ where justice means shared custody and financial ruin.
I like where your name came from john galt.
However you make one mistake. You think domesticaly. The productive beta male of the 50s lived in the US and in the 70s in europe. 201x he lives in asia.
The US/EU are where the CONSUMERS live. This is by design. If you read the book you took your name from you may understand the truth behind this observation. The freedom is long gone in the west.
Russia isnt patriarchy
My boomer parents did the best they could, and continue to do so today, but thanks to their laissez-faire advice and my own natural introversion (coupled with the horror show that is the American public school system), I was 38 years old before I took the red pill.
I’m 40 now and have been making up for all the years I lost pedestalizing women, but I’m pretty angry about it and this article brought a good bit of it home. All of the ‘just be yourself,’ ‘it will just happen,’ ‘go to college,’ and ‘invest in housing’ bullshit was exactly that… bullshit.
I guess the one positive is that if I have a son (I’m in the process of deciding whether or not to wife up a 28 year old religious girl who was a virgin when we met), I know exactly what not to do.
Friend, if you can find a girl to bring up a family with, DO IT! I envy you, I really do. Guys your age are the last generation of men who will have this opportunity. All that is left for guys my age is the empty life of a player or seclusion of some kind.
I don’t think we’re the last. People are starting to wake up, and they’ll raise their daughters accordingly. Some have been doing it already despite the culture decay, and while they’re definitely hard to find, the fact that they exist in the sort of degenerate Marxist shithole that the West has become is an encouraging thought.
“Wife up”? I’m guessing that’s pill-speak for marry? If so, why not just say “marry”? And you’re absolutely sure she had the cherry?
My dad is constantly harping on me to “find your interests and make a list…” and this will magically help me find my dream job…sadly unless I can turn into Ben Affleck tomorrow I don’t see a job that enables me to play poker & blackjack + party with hookers. I am more of the Mike Rowe philosophy : find things that need to be done and show I am the man for the job.
Did anyone ever expect their parents to do anything for them? I never did. Schools are a massive waste of time and fail to really prepare you for life too.
“Did anyone ever expect their parents to do anything for them?”
Personally? No (and I was not disappointed). It would have behoved them to have been better informed citizens with a little understanding of economics, history, civics and the cause-effect of bad public policy. That is usualy required of citizens if they want to participate in government. Some did. Some did not.
Agree about the schools.
I’m a product of the baby boomer fiasco. If there is one thing that needs to happen is a total and complete repudiation of everything the boomers did to us. Not to dismiss the issues highlighted in this post, as they are, sadly, accurate, but, lets not be regressive. The future is still ours if we wish to take hold of it…and I for one do. Divorce is, perhaps, the single biggest societal issue in america today. It is cliche if you find yourself in a psychologists office to have all of your ills traced back to a family divorce. Yet, these ever compassionate therapists, being the source of this cliche and constantly immersed in it, are the same liberal people supporting anti-family policies…so, that’s psychology for you. I went through a divorce and it has impacted me significantly. I tried therapy and got no where (surprise). What I have done that no therapist and, for that matter, society is to acknowledged the problem and to seek self improvement by committing myself fully to my family. I have no illusions, but, I can control my actions and desires. What I did witness when the boomers went on their divorce binge is a colossal act of collective selfishness where the parents, men and women, where both blatant and un-apologetically NOT concerned one bit about their children, period. My dad was, thankfully, an alcoholic, so, my mom made the right decision. Scores of others, however, have to deal with the fact that mom and dad thought of their sexual desires, however waning at mid 30s to 40s, and choose hedonism above the love of their own kids. What a mind fuck indeed. I have observed something very positive that, just like the scourge of divorce, has gone un-noticed and, indeed, this will be contrary to many people’s experience here, but among the my peers, I can count the ones divorce on one hand with plenty of room to spare. Decades ago, I could count on one hand my peers who’s parents were still together. There is something deeper here but its not surprising. Such a terrible experience scared many of us and as a result were are all the more vigilant to NOT be like our parents. As far as the kids that didn’t experience divorce they are all, and this is amazing, ALL well adjusted, healthy and successful…one of my good friends is a senior equity analyst at a major investment bank, without question, he is the most successful person among my high school class. Both parents, still married for decades.
I at least now know what NOT to do to my kids and that, oddly, makes things a little easier.
“so, that’s psychology for you”
Psychology also invented the “sociopath” theory to instill altruism and guilt in men who want to succeed
For a man to be successful, they can’t be too emotional and must make the logical choice – Callous
They must be good cooperators who can influence people -Charming
They must be able to make a solid decision and accept consequences – Risk appetite
They must have no mercy since everyone will hate them and secretly hopes they fail – low remorse
Not able to love – Love is a mental illness designed so that a man will die in a war for his tribe, but the tribe does not have his best interest, infact the tribe sees him as disposable and since he is aware of this, they say he is the evil one for being self-serving.
Attractive – They realize the body is their best tool of protection and a sharp mind and body is harder to destroy – Attractive
That’s psychology for you to demonize all qualities behind any powerful male
Isn’t whining and kvetching something betas and women do? Just asking.
So what you’re saying is that we can’t discuss sexual dynamics and compare notes. Keep us silent and alone and marginalized. Great plan. Because if we discuss and compare notes, that’s just something betas and women do. Yeah.
From what I’ve seen, that particular commenter is sort of a lurker here, so I doubt he was offering a serious suggestion, but is simply mocking.
Why are you publishing articles from socialists? Really, the “efficiency of Soviet industry and agriculture?” Socialism has been a failure everywhere and decreases everyone’s standard of living until all are in poverty but the political elite.
To be clear, I have no problem if this or any author is nationalistic and fights for their own people. But his economics are dead wrong.
I was home recently and my parents were saying something about being nice to find the right woman. I instantly corrected them, saying, “today’s women don’t want a nice guy. that doesn’t work”
They looked at each other with an “oh he seems lost” look. Thing is, they’re the ones who are lost and don’t even know it.
Your mother is a woman. As a woman the last thing she wants is a younger, hotter woman in the house.
Thats mothers (all of them) major flaw when it comes to giving advice to their sons. They are not aware of it but just like getting wet down there, they simply cant control it.
Mothers will push their sons towards being a beta and getting a beta woman. Less competition for her. Dont believe me?
Consider this. An alpha in his 60s with a wife in her 40s. The son is 20 and brings home a smoking hot 19 year old girl.
The alpha, beeing a natural born asshole (like my dad, or my humble self) will have trouble NOT fucking said 19 year old girl. Why? Just because we can.
Mom WILL notice this. Even dad does not do it, both mom and young gf will know he could. Mom also knows very, very well who is in the center of “her” boys (both husband and sons) attention and it damn fucking certain is not her. Women cant have that, can they?
I love my father.
He is the number 1. role-model for me.
He is happily married to a beautiful woman, my mother, since more than 40 years ago.
He knows something that I do not know, that is for sure. Otherwise he could not pull that one off, now, could he?
I love him and I respect him. He is the example I follow.
But yes, he will not find me a wife, not even a one night stand. That we have to do for ourselves.
Cheers and respect to you, old warriors: our dads’
You have my respect.
“He knows something that I do not know, that is for sure. Otherwise he could not pull that one off, now, could he?”
You seemed to have missed the point of this article. The cultural environment that your father grew up is vastly differently than the one that exists today thank to feminism which has been nothing but a license for whoredom for women. Your father probably didn’t have to do much to land a relatively chaste, attractive, slim woman for a wife and to marry up at an early age. This is not possible today.. or very very difficult. Your mother, had she grown up on today’s toxic liberal and feminist culture, would have take 20 or 30 cocks by the time she met your father, and would consider him not good enough or too like, OMG, booorrrrinnng! She would have probably passed him over for more alpha bad boys and random cocks until she hit 35 or later.. after which she would have looked for some beta schlub to put a ring around it.. and after popping out a kid or two, she would have gotten bored and just “not happy anymore” and divorced him, and started her second post-divorce slut-run. This is reality and the realistic prospects men are facing today.. and these are the damaged, shallow sluts men have to deal with today thanks to feminism.
So the moral of the story is: your father probably didn’t know jack shit to “pull that one off.” He was just lucky enough to grow up in a different time before women became corrupted and ruined by feminism and benefitted from that. Don’t assume he has any special knowledge or advice about women to give you in today’s toxic feminist, cultural environment.
This is a terrific article. I’m 35 and I really feel sorry for the young guys today. I was pretty much in the last generation before social media/tinder/online dating etc. Girls were definitely more feminine in the 90s early 00s. I remember the days where if you wanted to meet girls, you actually had to muster the balls to go up and talk to them. Sure you’d get shut down a fair bit, but honestly, that was half the fun – trial and error! I’ll bet that when you did convert it was way more fun and rewarding than getting a tinder match, exchanging nude selfies and then getting her to come over sight unseen like a home delivered pizza! I’d take making eye contact and then heading over for a chat any day over swiping right on 20000 girls, desperately hoping one will say yes. It was entirely possible to keep frame, if they were unpleasant in rejecting you it was always fun to shut them down with a comment like “babe, why are you being so picky for, I wasn’t!”. The pussy definitely never was on the pedestal. However, these days, females never get called out for their shithouse behaviour. Young fellas these days have no self-respect, no wonder they are trodden on by all the narcissistic millennial girls who think their shit doesn’t stink. Oh, tatts were rare then, as were stupid piercings. The bull ring piercing was definitely for livestock only! Here in Australia at least, feminism was still openly mocked by masculine men.
I’m now happily settled down with my beautiful Eastern European babe. That gets a bad rap in these parts, but compared with sorting through the dregs of fat, tattooed Aussie feminists, it is a dream come true. I am out of the ‘game’, but it would seem that looks have become much more important. You used to be able to charm young chicks with your personality, but it seems if they haven’t already accepted your profile pics, you don’t have the chance to do that any more. The Pareto Principle, where 10% of the guys get 80% of the chicks, seems to be the new norm. Young women would rather get pumped and dumped by an alpha than be with a guy who loves and respects them for sure. The rest of the young guys are nerdy, wimpy, and seem to have retreated into porn and given up. Young women also seem to have a massive sense of entitlement, thanks to social media they are all attention whores who think they are celebrities in their own reality tv show. They also have the attention spans of a gnat. Thank God I don’t have to wade through these narcissistic train wrecks. Forget being good wife and mother material, these girls can’t even offer a decent girlfriend experience. They are slutty, mentally ill and completely broken. Honestly, I feel sorry for you young fellas these days…
You lucky fuck.
“I’m now happily settled down with my beautiful Eastern European babe.”
There is a lot of that going around.
Ukrainian. Feminine, sexy, and with family values. I definitely got lucky
You are never out of the game. If you dont game your wife frequently with both attraction building, push-pull and threat game you will have to pay the price.
“Young women also seem to have a massive sense of entitlement, thanks to
social media they are all attention whores who think they are
celebrities in their own reality tv show. They also have the attention
spans of a gnat. Thank God I don’t have to wade through these
narcissistic train wrecks. Forget being good wife and mother material,
these girls can’t even offer a decent girlfriend experience. They are
slutty, mentally ill and completely broken.”
Thank you. I couldn’t have it said it better. This should be the standard reply I give whenever people ask me why I’m still single and unmarried at 38. Those mentally ill, slutty and damaged younger women don’t get any wiser or mature as they get older. They just become more mentally ill, damaged, accumulate more cocks, and become thoroughly unworthy of being a wife and mother. What incentive is there for a man to marry up some 35+ year old slut who’s had multiple cocks inside her, and given her best when she was younger and hotter to other men, and put up with her during her worst 30 years? No thank you.
Brilliant article. My parents are just like that. They just can’t understand how much the sexual market place changed since the time they were young.
The interne
The internet is to the 2000’s what Gutenberg’s printing press was to the 1400’s: A title wave of knowledge making everything before it obsolete.
We’re the first generation of our kind. Outside of the libertarian and my military circles, I rarely seek guidance from the older crowd.
“… I rarely seek guidance from the older crowd.”
Sadly nor do I and the disconnect is huge. I find the ones who get their news from the MSM are the worst and some of them are even family (eg. Why did you vote for Obama– “hope and change”. Change to what? — “hope and change!”).
Same here. The average age viewership for the Big 3 [Fox, CNN, MSNBC] is somewhere in the upper 50’s lower 60’s demographic.
When the Baby Boomers pass, I think the younger audience will veer towards the internet and MSM presence will fade a bit as people will see it for what it is.
It’ll be interesting to see what methods will be used to shape public opinion when this happens.
Telemundo and Univision will be all the elites need at that point
A wave of data, nothing more. People are learning less as time progresses.
Good point. The #1 searched item on the web is porn after all.
A wave of noise, not much signal.
My maternal and paternal grandparents knew each other (paternal grandparents ran a square-dance hall), and introduced my parents to each other as a lark.
At least my father admits he knows little about dating.
Wow you stole this right out of my head!! Maybe I do need a tin foil hat!
Heh, that avatar.
KEEP THAT CRAP OFF MY AK
After many years of trying out junk mods for the AK, I finnaly came to the painful realization that the rifle is fine the way it is.
Yep, that’s what the AR is for.
The only thing I’d ever do to an AK is a trigger job, max.
Today, the old teachings have to deal with beings like this:
http://verilymag.com/2016/02/hookup-culture-sex-feminism-sexual-freedom
(fresh article – February 2016 – by another regretful post-wall slut)
Do they still work? Honestly, I don’t know.
My wife’s parents were arranged married. Her Dad has never once asked a woman out or pursued a woman. He has lived at the same address his whole life, banged one woman his whole life, worked the same government job for 40 years and watches at least 8 hours of TV per day. Then his wife wonders why her sons are failures.
Comments from an old timer.
I appreciate nostalgia and even indulge in it from time to time, but dating wasn’t much better in the 70’s and 80’s. In some ways, it was the golden era for selfish feminism. Higher birth rates for baby boomers compared to Gen Xers meant that there was a flood of older male providers to date career women feminists who demanded high pay in the office and a provider to pay her way. This set the tone for ridiculous standards from young American women combined with seething resentment at their demands not being fulfilled.
Before you bash internet dating, consider what it was like before. With women flooding into the workplace (and this happened amazingly fast), there were few places to meet them. American women are the most ambivalent on the planet when it comes to talking to strange men and back then, they expected men to pick them up. This meant that when a woman rejected you, in public, she did it hard. This is why RoK has so many lessons on how to emotionally handle PUA rejections. You also had few choices. Want to fly to Europe or Asia to broaden your perspective like Roosh? I found a video on Youtube of a PanAM advertisement for flights to London, $369.50, ONE WAY (on sale). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsKaO6lMX40 That was in 1985! A young professional man might make $20K a year BEFORE taxes. Eastern Europe was closed as was much of Asia during the cold war. But yeah, going to the relatively few open places back then would certainly have been enlightening. I made that journey in 1995.
Next, red pilling was a lot harder. The Men’s movement back then was made up of “sensitive guy” former male feminists, I kid you not, banging drums in the woods to get in better touch with their masculinity. Even that was buried in the back stacks at Borders. When USENET appeared on ARPANET in the late 80’s, you had to have a corporate or academic account to get on it to discuss these issues and 99 percent of the men were limp wristed white knights shouting you down.
Keep in mind that all of this anti-masculinity is centuries old due to an ideology of romantic chivalry: the notion that women are perfect human beings to be protected and worshiped and the highest honor for a man is to be disposable and throw himself into a lake as a gesture of love for her. This emerged largely in Britain and France and came west with the elites along with the notion of retards mowing their lawn and thinking that’s “manly” while not realizing that the peasants of England were required to keep a nice lawn for the royal fox hunts. All this poison predates even the modern feminism movement and goes back to Seneca Falls and the disasterous notion that women should be allowed to vote.
So yeah, one good thing back then was that women were getting married younger but the divorce rate was about as high and most men didn’t stand a chance. The courts were even worse now than then (not because feminism helped to make things fairer but I think so many women since then have done drugs and killed their own kids while the courts ordered men to pay child-support that judges now are embarassed to issue such one-sided orders although this is still relatively common.) Back then, women drank less and did less drugs so the courts could unashamedly give ’em the kids and “child” support orders for more than a man’s take home pay (the judges often didn’t factor in income taxes arguing that the man could pay the order if he doubled his work hours) Some men literally worked themselves to death! Now, it’s common for such women to wind up in their 30’s as childless spinsters. Yes, it’s ugly but the past was no paradise by any means.
Finally, the fathers back then were raised in a hyper romantic chivalrous culture, begged their wives to date them and bribed them with free meals, and taught their boys to become mommas boys while the daughters were encouraged by the fathers to become golddiggers.
All that said, still, women at least were more feminine and didn’t look like circus freaks and the anti-white immigration policies hadn’t yet transformed the USA into a third world nation. But even so, watch the film “The Warriors” or “Death Wish” to see how dangerous the American streets could be.
Anyways, that’s the Rest of the Story.
I remember being shocked by the sight of an early MRA on the Morton Downey Jr Show. He was wearing a dress and was beating a drum
“and the anti-white immigration policies hadn’t yet transformed the USA into a third world nation. But even so, watch the film “The Warriors” or “Death Wish” to see how dangerous the American streets could be.”
I suspect part of the reason the elites are pushing high levels of immigration into the West from populations that are generally more disposed to crime is that crime rates have been falling in recent decades, particularly among the native white populations. Yet high crime rates and fear of disorder is an effective means of controlling the population. When the native population stop committing crimes, more criminals must be imported.
I don’t think the elites want high crime rates but rather, and I know many here will laugh, I don’t think they are smart as many think they are. Certainly, they collaborate with each other but I think it’s logical that the tremendous waste we’ve seen in human potential in the last century is certainly not something an elite would have wanted, if they had another choice. The elite prefer to vacation in Switzerland and not Mexico city, for obvious reasons. I think that they can be driven by short term greed just as much as Joe Six pack guys who buy a TV from rent a center for 30 “low” payments of 50 bucks each rather than wait 2 months to buy the TV outright (and save 80 percent.)
In other words, I think the elites are just as human as you and I are and subject to greed and back stabbing amongst each other. It’s very discouraging to me sometimes to see how when I tried to organize other workers in the workplace, how petty and stupid they could be but at the same time, I think this probably haunts our elites as well.
It’s an accident of history that the right wing oligarchs who want cheap labor that they can dump on the welfare state and the left wing oligarchs who need 3rd worlders to vote for them, are hanging out at the country club and partying with each other (such as McCain and Bernie or Rubio and Clinton.) In the future, when the fortunes of the elites are threatened by too fat of a welfare state, they’ll “cull” the numbers. I imagine that they’ll come up with a war or a bacteria especially one that spreads amongst prison populations and in WIC food.
I’m chuckling because I presume the above women in the old B&W photo are British (probably the Rolling Stones before they all became goblins or Spinal Tap?)
British women have a reputation as being among the ugliest of Europe. Granted, not all are goblins but one would expect that rock stars probably got their pick of the prettiest.
Goblins. Heh.
As a 53 year old male with kids this article is spot on…
Times change, this article could have been written 50 years ago and it would still be relevant. Why ? Because society and norms move. However the basics remain the same. Either you are the Alpha or you are not. If you are not the Alpha, then you are in trouble. Learn how to manage your relationships, women, business, education, etc. and you will be the king that everyone wants to be around.
Quite interesting how many other men share this problem.
My father was a nauseatingly blue-pill coward who managed to pass down zero knowledge of women, career, life, politics, friendship, or anything of substance. Virgin until mid-20’s, very little social presence, insecure, the-world-would-be-better-if-women-lead, that type of guy. I don’t have much animosity towards his lack of dating advice, but I resent his ineffectiveness in conveying any sort of important knowledge towards me.
He is also completely unsympathetic towards the modern economy, dating scene, and social sphere.
One thing that he passed down that I am quite pleased with are physical genetics. He is strikingly handsome, aged like fine wine, and in my not-so-humble opinion, it shows in the aesthetics of his offspring.
We shouldn’t be hard on him because he couldn’t give us advice. We should be hard on him because he was lazy about his politics and allowed feminism to happen in the first place. This all came about because of a government problem – they gave women the right to vote, to divorce, to abort, to fill college quotas, to have equal wages, to make spurious accusations. They gave them jobs in schools and bureaucracies, gave them welfare checks to fund it all. They stopped punishing adultery, started praising homosexuality, and pushed a feminist narrative on every girl from the day she was born. This shift didn’t just happen. It was forced on us by the government.
My father (age 72) married young and has been married for 50 years. Not that he didn’t continue to play the field after that; he was quite the philanderer. He has a black picture book from Vietnam, that basically showed the horror of war (he was an MP, drafted in to the Army). That’s about all he taught me–sex and death. Thank god for the Internet, or I’d be a 30-something still wearing rock t-shirts, cargo shorts and flip-flops.
Don’t blame your parents, but blame the environment/society into which they grew up. In Western countries masculinity is seen as something that is uncivilized.
I’m Asian so maybe different for me.
My father taught me all men should make 50K+ and any man who didn’t was a fcktard. He didn’t say much about sex and girls except that he showed me porn one time. He also smoked lots and cheated on my Mom countless times.
Nailed it, my parents are also from the old country, so it makes explaining things even more difficult. They’re always saying, “but so and so found a wife…” and I always say, “we’ll see how long that lasts.” They simply DO NOT understand how much things have changed.
Love that first picture, a room full of drafting tables…and men at work.
All replaced by a few computers.
I’m already out of touch with my own children. I wonder if parents of the future will even be able to communicate, literally, with their offspring after age 12.
“Your father dated back when the word “tinder” was usually followed by the word “box.” He did not compete with every other man in his city for an evening with a moderately attractive woman and a chance of never-see-you-again lovemaking. He would have laughed if he read about such a practice in a paperback science fiction novel.”
Aint that the truth. Literally what we are living in is a bizarre pulp science fiction novel. Some mornings I have to remond myself that this is not a bad dream – this is the reality of which we live.
The 1950s were no paradise, but how we’ve sunk since then! Truly scary!
“The 1950s were no paradise, but how we’ve sunk since then! Truly scary”
True. Each era has its hardships but I wouldn’t mind being transported back to that time continuum.
“So don’t go too hard on your dad. Perhaps he did the best he could. He just doesn’t understand how utterly the basic building blocks of human society have shifted in the last few decades. ”
Good point. My dad used to teach me valuable skills when I was just a kid – but eventually he remarried with a staunch liberal feminist cow and ended up having the masculinity drained out of him. He adopted feminist beliefs to apease his witch of a wife.
“So don’t go too hard on your dad. Perhaps he did the best he could. He just doesn’t understand how utterly the basic building blocks of human society have shifted in the last few decades. ”
Indeed it has – normal thing – even my dad told me that “things are constantly changing, nothing ever stays the same” but somehow he still held on to the same narrative even though times were changing in his life. I think this maxim is easier to intellectualize than it is to be flexible enough to actually deal with the changes.
“The path of love is one that we young men must walk without the aid of maps or guides. And if we have sons or grandsons, by the time they are young adults the world may have moved on again.”
It could get more bizarre as times go on. I suspect either we will osmos into some kind of high tech dystopia – not just with communication technology but also medical nano technology, or it will all come crumbling down and we go back to a more simpler life.
There are many valid arguments made in this article. Even though, the subject is about how women and dating has drastically changed over the last few decades, if you take some time to observe, it would become clear to you that almost everything else in life has dramatically changed too. This is not by a mere accident and this is not how the things were in the past or supposed to be. We have to accept this reality and adapt but this is not by any means normal or acceptable. The nature of human beings was and will always be pretty much the same. It was not intended to be changed in any fundamental way. You do not believe me?…Just read the ancient texts of 2500 years and you will see the same fears, the same joys, the same struggles and problems in life…You will be surprised to see how much in common we had with them. However, you will be surprised also in seeing how different is our way of life and thinking about life, especially in the last few generations. There is a lot of suffering, depression, anxiety,loneliness and alienation going on in our time even if we have created the most comfortable and abundant enviroments to live in that no one ever had experienced or knew it would be possible through the use of our technological advancements
As Jacques Ellul proves in his book The Technological Society, technique (or technology) is not a tool (as most people think) but rather a system that is actually independent of the human will. It is going in one direction that is based mainly on growth and the totality of numbers and ratios (interests, costs, effectiveness, productivity etc). It does not care about the well being of humans or the preservation of nature. On the contrary, as the system grows, humans are becoming more and more a liability because they cannot keep up and adjust quickly to the new realities. There is no space for moral questions or scepticism concerning the appliance of the new advancements. Every new technological advancement is firstly introduced as optional but eventually becomes a necessity because everything depends on numbers. If the new “something” is better in terms of numbers (cheaper, more productive, more efficient, more marketable etc) it will eventually be part of our lifes and we cannot go back.
Do not blame ideologies like feminism or capitalism for this mess, blame the system.
Actually, my dad gave pretty good advice. Being young, stupid, and lazy, I just ignored him.
Most of what this article says is true though. I *did* show him Mystery Method and he said it was generally true, though he wouldn’t advise I try some of the particular statements. So he’s aware of how things have changed.
I am from the time of the father described in the article which describes the way things were pre-1980s. It’s plain to me that things have changed considerably in the dating/mating world from back then. You’d have to be living under a rock not to notice. The years of witnessing the social changes and the destruction of the family unit over the years hammers into your head that things will never be the same. Just want to get the point across that just because you’re older, doesn’t mean you haven’t learned through life’s experiences. Adapt or die.
The failure of this article can be summed up by observing that the author seems to be unaware that fathers are able to notice their environs and adapt what advice they give to the current situation. As if somehow, if you have one set of experiences at 20, you can never, ever understand another time, or place, ever. Which is silly on its face. It’s like saying that one cannot understand the plight of a poor person if one is rich; Yeah, the Left buys into that static-consciousness notion, but we shouldn’t.
The entire notion of ignoring your father, family and traditions doesn’t surprise me coming from a socialist (the author) with a hammer and sickle as part of his avatar.
At least I’m not a ghost.
More seriously, this is not an all or nothing matter. The question is, how many fathers understand how things have changed, and to what extent do they understand? If your observations are different to mine, please share.
Most of the (fellow) old guys I know are still locked in the 70s, music, dress, style. I don’t think many men have the ability to move on from their 20s and 30s.
As for my own children, I can’t teach them anything because mom wouldn’t let me see them after the divorce.
I’m a child of the 70s and 80s, which means I was in the ‘dating pool’ in the 90s when I was at university. Feminism was in full flight then, and finding a woman who didn’t have the fish/bicycle attitude was very hard. I thought the problem was with me … no it wasn’t … they didn’t really have anything to offer apart from the obvious. I didn’t want to date someone I didn’t feel I could marry — seemed like a waste of time and I didn’t want the drama.
I wonder what things are going to be like for my 14-year old son …
teach him red pill young – if you can. He may not want it. I have a daughter..she is a good egg but not tough. I don’t know how to teach her but it will be tough if she doesn’t get it.
Yes! The red pill is dissolved in his water and diffused in the atmosphere around here … and it coincides with his experience of the nature of girls.
“Rescue your father from the underworld.” -Jordan Peterson
This article is absolutely on point. Thank you OP
Great Article. As a Gen xer. My father didn’t teach me squat- and knows squat. He was incapable because he lived in a totally different “farm based” 8th grade world. Between him, the catholic religion and the advent of technology…I am absolutely shocked I figured out -the hard way all the way- mind you- how to get and ensure a quality life. I am a better person for it – but a lot of life lost to stupidity.
You only know what you know when you know it – until new information comes available to change your thinking. You gotta learn to forgive yourself or its a tough world.
I think the american diet has changed – you can’t digest half the crap that you get fed I think that is why a lot of woman look like overgrown cattle instead of reasonably attractive woman. we are walking around malnourished and uniformed. Yes, eat more vegetables- as if eating more is good for you. …The diets that are recommended will kill you; not get your in better shape.
Also, The catholic church has really created a lot of weak men as well. The Marriage vows of love honor etc.. and turn the other cheek …. Women are not biologically programmed with any of these traits nor respect them. Catholic church will fail if doesn’t get its act together. Jesus was not a pedophile the last bible I read.
,.,. Also I watch TV sometimes and see white males treated and act like stupid idiots in commercials or some female dispensing sjw spew looking for victim hood. Pathetic…
….. All of us have to push back against this stuff if we don’t want our society to be a sesspool that never recovers. I am gen x and I would say I got the worst of the worst of female society. At least now, kids can get online and get some truth. I have some hope for the new gen with the election of Trump. I see that the liberals have not totally won.
Fathers have good intention but unfortunately do not know how the modern women act.
Their generation was raised differently.
As better technology was introduced, it brought the worst especially among female behaviors. Technology like smart phones just amplified women’s already existing flaky behavior.
In the old days when a man was interested in a woman, he had to walk up to her house, ring or knock on the door and possibly face a girl’s father.
Today if you want to text message a girl then it’s done under your own comfort.
For the best for women, technology should not be introduced. No point of giving your daughter an iPhone.
i cant wait to start exterminating all these old pieces of shit