No One Would Have Died If PUAHate Killer Elliot Rodger Learned Game

On Friday, May 23, Elliot Rodger killed six people because he was frustrated and angry from not being able to experience intimacy with women. He left a trail of Youtube videos, internet postings, and even a manifesto that clearly details how his sexual frustration was the principal reason for his murderous rampage.

Six lives would have been saved if there was a societal mechanism to steer sexually frustrated males like Rodger into learning self-improvement, game, and masculinity, the very values that are taught here and on many other manosphere sites that inexplicably have been attacked, disparaged, and even sought for eradication by the American media and blogosphere, men’s rights activists, “PUA haters”, and progressive organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. All these groups are complicit for creating a cultural environment that allowed this massacre to occur. It is them who must accept responsibility for these seven deaths and make the moral change to their ideologies in order to prevent such an act from happening again.

It’s important to state that Elliot Rodger was undoubtedly mentally unstable and required professional supervision. Diagnosed with Asperger’s, he clearly exhibited narcissistic and sociopathic traits that no doubt prevented him from empathizing with others. Nonetheless, his videos and writings do display an above-average intelligence and the propensity to connect with individuals in certain cases. He was not that much worse off than many socially awkward males who grew up isolated as teenagers, unable to perform well in social interactions. I’ve personally interacted with men who functioned lower than him, but were later able to successfully meet average-looking women and achieve intimacy with them.

Rodger’s manifesto clearly states that his utter failure with women drove him to murder. The problem that he experienced is not unique—many men in Western society graduate from high school or college to realize that they have absolutely no skill or ability to seduce the opposite sex. We live in a society where being shy, normal, or a little awkward is duly punished by entitled American women who have been encouraged to pursue exciting and fun casual sex in their prime with sexy and hot men as a way of “experimentation.” They are enabled by the culture to seek out bad boys while rejecting the nice guy who is “boring.” This behavior continues until they find that they are past their physical prime, whereby the nice guy is plucked from a spartan sexual existence and expected to keep his mouth shut when a trickle flow of informational torture reveals that his bride-to-be has experienced more than a dozen different penises in her vagina, anus, and mouth—the same mouth that is supposed to kiss his future children good night.

The choices presented to Rodger

What options does a man like Rodger have if his existing social ability is simply not able to attract the women he wants? What should he do to enter a relationship with a reasonably attractive girl who has not yet had dozens of penises inside her, who is sweet and kind instead of bitter and jaded from becoming a professional attention whore on Facebook, Tinder, and OK Cupid via the iPhone that she’s addicted to? It depends on who you ask. Here are the answers that Rodger either received or could have received:

His university

Rodger should have checked his male privilege at the door and atoned for the sins of thousands of years of “male patriarchy.” He was likely exposed to infantile “trigger warnings” during the course of his education. He received direct propaganda that insinuates all men are potential rapists. American universities are becoming firmly anti-male with their extreme left ideology and policies. Just recently, the Justice Department has ushered in directives that attempt to restrict the definition of consensual sex, making any attempt by Rodger to fornicate with a female at a college party a potential rape encounter that would have gotten him kicked out of school without a trial. Pro-female policies now dominate most American universities. Rodger would definitely not have received a sympathetic ear to his plight.

American media and organizations

They have been telling him for years that he’s a sexist creep without even knowing it, and that only feminism, the promotion of female needs above men, is the true path to “equality.” Before he would even find a useful resource that helps him learn how to meet women, he would have been exposed to endless articles demonizing those resources as racist, misogynist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and cis-normative (whatever that means). Think I’m exaggerating? Here are some examples:

The amount of negative publicity written about Return Of Kings, me, game, and the manosphere in general seems endless if you spend just a bit of time on Google and Twitter. It’s clear that any mention of game in the mainstream sources that Rodger would definitely have been exposed to (the sites above receive millions of unique visitors every month) clearly shows that he would have been inclined to develop a negative opinion of game before fully knowing what it’s about. It appears that a goal of many popular publications is to inoculate and brainwash men like Rodger into believing game is actually equivalent to rape.

PUA Hate and Men’s Rights Activists

Would Rodger have received help for his loneliness if he found MRA’s and PUA haters? Definitely not. MRA’s would simply sit him down and detail how male circumcision and male rape by women are the most pressing concerns of men today. They would have given him absolutely no aid on solving his loneliness problem, advocating for him to instead become a victim.

PUA haters, best exemplified by the forum PUAhate.com, are even more dangerous. As an active member of this site, Rodger was surrounded by a community of men who nurtured and cultivated his hate. These men don’t believe in game and instead think the only path to a healthy sex life is to be rich and good looking, two beliefs that Rodger actively believed. It is through PUA Hate where he was able to meet other virgins and mentally unstable men to provide him with comfort while encouraging his budding hatred not just against women for serving him rejections—something that pro-game advocates accept as normal—but also society as a whole for not giving him what he believed he deserved. To give you an idea how twisted the members of PUAHate are, his rampage was actually praised. There are not many sites on the internet where someone is lauded as a hero for killing others, but PUAHate is one of them:

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PUA Hate suddenly went offline, but we must wonder if Rodger used the site to privately communicate with other men to actively plan out the killings, and if more of them are in the works. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out in the future that the site’s owner destroyed evidence that showed how Rodger’s PUA Hate friends knew of his intentions.

His parents, psychologists, and professors

They also did not provide Rodger with useful answers. His parents were aloof and his father never taught him how to be good with women (the manifesto details how supplicative his father was to Rodger’s stepmother). His psychiatrists likely wanted to pump him with meds to zombify him, maybe even trying to label his frustration with women as latent misogyny. His professors would push the leftist dogma where men are the source of all societal problems. He should humble himself, they’d prescribe, to others who don’t have as much inherent “privilege” as himself.

Return Of Kings, The Red Pill, RVF, myself

If Rodger came to me, he would have received actionable and effective advice. He would have been exposed to material detailing how socially corrupt American society has become, and how being a beta male provider—his principal strategy in trying to get laid—is no longer useful in achieving intimacy with women who now see men as entertaining clowns that should provide them with excitement, drama, and tension. After these truths would be painfully delivered to Rodger, he would have to make the personal choice to accept them or not, but based on his intelligence level, I have little doubt that he would, as it would match what he saw on campus with what he termed “obnoxious” (i.e. “alpha”) men getting the girls he wanted.

After digesting the red pill (our sphere’s metaphor for truth), he would start his game training. I’ve clearly laid out a program that has helped thousands of men who were in almost the exact same situation as Rodger. There is no evidence that Rodger executed even basic game theory. We can’t say for sure if he would have been a good student of the game or achieved high success from using it, because his mental illness no doubt affected his faculties, but the bar to success for him was low. According to his manifesto, all he wanted was a date. As in… one date. Take a look at his own words:

I was hoping I would get some sort of answer from girls [from posting my Youtube videos]. IN fact, a small part of me was even hoping that a girl would see the video and contact me to give me a chance to go on a date. That alone would have prevented the Day of Retribution, if one girl had just given me one chance. But no…As expected, I got absolutely no response from any girls. […] Women don’t care about me at all. They won’t even deign to tell my why they’ve mistreated me. This just shows how evil and sadistic they are. Oh well, they will realize the gravity of their crimes when I slaughter them all on the Day of Retribution.

Would the teachings that this part of the internet offer give him that one date? Would the advice of the men on RVF have given him the encouragement, motivation, and support to stop wallowing in self-pity and grandeur to approach women with the game that women today want? The answer is yes. I firmly believe that we would have given him his date, and it’s this date that would have quieted his deranged propensity to kill, or at least postponed it until an intervention could have occurred. Only game and red pill truths would have been sufficient in changing this deadly outcome. Everyone else, from his parents to his university and especially to the media he may have consumed, absolutely failed to help him in a way that we definitely could have.

Even after the killings, the media is parading out the phantom spirit of misogyny, perpetuating a tired cycle of shaming men in the name of protecting women, even though Rodger killed more men than women.

Who cares about the males that Rodger killed, because, like, misogyny! The disregard for any concern for men, including the ones killed by Rodger, means that more men will churn through this toxic anti-male culture, maybe one day deciding that killing is also their only option for deliverance.

I was not in a different boat than Rodger

I know Rodger would have been helped because I experienced much of what he did. I was lonely and lacking in female affection, but this was way back in 2001, before game was treated as the devil it is today. There was no cultural barrier for me to learn its principles. There was no PUA Hate that would’ve allowed me to connect with other bitter, demented, and possibly criminal men. There was no Buzzfeed (everyday sexism!) and Huffington Post (homosexuality is great!) to brainwash me into thinking that approaching women and having masculine sexual desire is sexist or misogynist, or that I must embrace a pro-homosexual lifestyle and the needs of gays over my own. There was no institutional formula in attacking what I learned and what thankfully gave me the intimacy I desired.

Seven people are dead because society has decided that shy and awkward men like Elliot Rodger do not deserve a girlfriend and that there is absolutely no way to improve his loneliness and loserdom through learning game or any other social behavior. At the same time men like him are ostracized, there is no legal means for him to solicit prostitution (in California) to release his biological and very pressing urge for fornication. Current cultural dogma wants to sweep the millions of lonely men like Rodger under the rug while instead  focusing on gay marriage, “street harassment,” lack of empowered girls in video games, “rape culture,” and the horrors of letting young girls wear pink and play with dolls.

The new “let them eat cake” is “let these socially awkward privileged losers have xbox and pornhub.” Yet we still feign outrage and surprise when every so often one of them picks up a gun and starts shooting. The same people who attack game refuse to give men like Rodger a way to achieve sexual happiness, and for that they are indirectly responsible for these deaths, which could have been avoided if Rodger was steered into game and not shamed for it.

More people will die unless you give men sexual options

Until you give men like Rodger a way to have sex, either by encouraging them to learn game, seek out a Thai wife, or engage in legalized prostitution—three things that the American media and cultural elite venomously attack, it’s inevitable for another massacre to occur. Even game itself, as useful as it is on an individual level, is a band-aid fix upon a culture which has stopped rewarding nice guys while encouraging female whoring to benefit only the top 10% of alpha males, all in the name of societal progress. Game is a tiny release valve on a cultural pressure cooker where meaningful relationships have become sick, fractured, and unfulfilling compared to the time of our grandparents when traditional sex roles existed. Game may not have led Rodger to find his dream girl and live happily ever after, but it would have given enough results to stop him from killing six innocent individuals and himself. Until you allow and encourage all men to get sex by some means, these massacres will be more commonplace as America’s cultural decline continues.

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2,481 thoughts on “No One Would Have Died If PUAHate Killer Elliot Rodger Learned Game”

  1. he actually killed 9 people. he first stabbed his 3 roommates, and then he shot dead 6 people.

  2. You nailed it Roosh! The irony is that he found the female attention he desired through one Grand Dark Triad act:

    1. Women want to fuck anybody who is famous for the sake of being famous, regardless of their moral character. Women are friggin’ disgusting.

      1. And you can bet your ass they will work their butts to label him as “insane” – anything to avoid the reality.
        Thomas Ball was also swept under the rug and discounted as “insane” for setting himself on fire on the steps of the divorce and family court house. He left a manifesto on why he just couldn’t take it anymore either. In a society where gay marriage is pushed and straight marriages and families are broken for profit…. it’s a BIG mistake to write him of as entirely nuts.
        No doubt he was delusional and entitled and unstable and had a GROSSLY overinflated view of himself, and he also placed far too much value on the acceptance and validation of females. ……. but he was also justifiably angry that he is forced to navigate a social climate where men are dragged to court , cuckholded and robbed for being “TOO NICE” to their wives…. while women line up at prisons IN DROVES to propose marriage and conjugal visits to murderers, criminals, drug addicts, convicts, thugs and killers.
        Only in a world this shitty and backwards, could he be called “insane”.
        Yes. His circuits and wires crossed and he short circuited. Sort of like James Holmes when he randomly opened fire in a crowded movie theatre. But don’t any of them find it a little bit curious that as soon as it was over….. women everywhere started tweeting their attraction for him?
        Now THAT is “insane”.

        1. I’m a woman (so no one will respond to this, I don’t really care) but I beg to disagree. That’s a harsh generalization maybe it’s different where you are from but it’s not true at all where I live. Women around me constantly show distaste for famous men who have exhibited wrongful behaviour, so…

        2. You’ve nailed it. That said there are a lot of women who develop attraction to murderers, especially mass murderers because they’re dangerous and those women believe they can change them. The number of girls my age who fancy Jeffrey Dahmer is worrying.

        3. You can’t disagree with a FACT.
          Because it’s not an opinion.
          It’s not just a “generalization”…. it’s a harsh REALITY. There are FAR more documented cases of that then there are of a lone gunman losing his shit and opening fire at random.
          1 man opens fire.. 100 women come running for his affections.
          Charles Manson has an attractive 22 year old girlfriend, for fuck sake. He’s not even that into her and she keeps going back to jail for more and wants to be married.
          Look UP grasshopper, not down.
          You’re using yourself as “the example” and the women in to your social circle (or city) don’t shine a shred of light on this vast cultural epidemic. It would be like me attempting to promote legal ownership of firearms the day after a mass shooting…. because “me and the guys I know would never do that”.
          Accurate and factual generalizations (and observations) are absolutely necessary if you want to learn anything. It’s intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise.
          There are GOOD MEN in prison – right now – for not paying child support for kids that aren’t even theirs… because MOST voters are women and you VOTE to make and keep paternity fraud is legal in all 50 states. Using myself as an example (like you did) I can’t even imagine the rage I would be capable of if I were wrongfully imprisoned for paying child support for a kid that’s not mine, simply because women think it’s their “right” to nail me with 216 monthly payments just because I dated a single mother.
          This is why you are not invited or permitted to chime in with your opinion. But mostly, it’s because you said it yourself: “you don’t care”. And as long as “you don’t care” about boundaries, you shouldn’t pretend to be surprised to see more of this shit.

        4. Dude, it’s been made very clear that replying to females is not allowed. Doing so will result in a ban.

        5. Yeah it starts out innocent but eventually we’d have to just start a new RoK forum…
          I think the rule makes sense.

        6. PLEASE can tom be banned. He makes the same dumb comments in every post. Most annoying person on these boards.

        7. I understand. Do what you believe is right. I did. Henceforth, I will not knowingly reply to a female commenter again. And if I perish, I perish.

        8. sometimes its not the reason it could have been anything, women, money, power. The point is that his mind is messed up beyond repair, pua affiliation or not

        9. It wouldn’t be necessary to make the “same dumb comment” if we didn’t get the “same dumb criticisms”. Would it. Read the last paragraph I left for her.
          But I did’t leave my comment for her. I leave them for a lost 22 year old guy who might read it … so that he may think carefully before pointing a gun at someone – or himself. If Elliot Rodgers read my comment from 7 days ago which got 52 thumbs up and thanks from other readers….. it might have saved lives.

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        10. Women simply do not care.
          You can use all the logic, facts, and examples you want on women, but it will do no good because women simply do not care. You will be accused of mansplaining.
          Mansplaining= I do not care
          There is no point in arguing with someone who doesn’t care. And because women do not care I have decided that I do not care about women’s problems either.

        11. Roger that. And, I have now decided to join you in not caring about women’s problems or concerns. Thank you for setting the example.

        12. Actually, we could do without YOUR comments. You sound like a whiny bitch.
          Tom’s farts hold more sway then you.

        13. Fuck this site’s bullshit rules. We can reply to whoever the fuck we want.

        14. Don’t forget Ashliee plenty of girls and women also drool over Harris and Klebold the Columbine killers now too.

        15. The purpose of the rule is to create and enforce a place where we get no shill’s nor masqueraded subverters.
          They could be trolling, trying to get a strong emotional outburst which is contrary to rational thought.
          E.g ”Fuck this site’s bullshit rules. We can reply to whoever the fuck we want.” this is an aggressive comment not a logical one

        16. No question. I know MGTOW.com would feature the shit out of it. It should be right on the font page.

        17. Fucking AGREED!! Women don’t give a fuck about society or anybody else. I learned this the hard way, and I stopped giving a fuck about womens’ problems as well. Hypergamy doesn’t care? I don’t care just as well…and when a woman begins to act sad and helpless (i.e., emotional manipulation) around me, I double down on my apathy and cool indifference. I know that when I do double down on my apathy, however, that am acting against my nature as a man who should protect and provide…but what option have I got.
          “And they will cry, ‘save me!’ and I will whisper ‘no’ “.

        18. • “Fuck this site’s bullshit rules. We can reply to whoever the fuck we want.”
          No. That’s disrespectful to the site owner(s) and blatant disregard for boundaries. It is precisely that attitude which makes grown women sound like 8 year old boys “I DO WHAT I WANT!” (circle snap) …. and comment when she KNOWS she isn’t welcome or invited. It’s that kind of attitude which makes them throw punches and think they won’t get a fist back…. or walk into the men’s room and think they won’t get pissed on.
          You can write your own rules when you’re your own boss and a site owner. Only THEN can you reply to whoever you want and draw your own lines. This also serves as an excellent motivator for men to create their own communities, castles and kingdoms to rule over. And because you created it, you have now earned the right to do whatever the fuck you want.
          We are all GUESTS here. It is nobody’s “right”.
          It is a privilege to comment and participate.
          A driver’s license is not your “right”either. You can’t just march into the DMV and say “fuck you I’m 16 gimme my license.” you have to EARN that privilege every day of your life that you are on the road – or you lose it.
          While I believe ALL criticism must be welcomed and embraced, women have over-extended and over-leveraged and the time has come for them to shut. the. fuck. up because their shit will now be completely ignored. They brought this upon themselves. I will never knowingly engage with a bitch online again and expect ROK to ban my ass if I do. That’s called “respect” and “integrity”. And it is a concept that must be enforced come hell or high water.

        19. Because we all know the ladies just loooove ‘cool indifference’ and apathy, right? I can’t see for the life of me why they’re not throwing panties at you left and right.

        20. oh my fucking god listen to yourself!! you state ‘it is a blatant disregard for boundaries and disrespectful to the site owner’.. WHAT ABOUT THE DISREGARD FOR RULES OF HUMANITY. I honestly don’t know how all of you are going on about women being the ‘enemy’, how they are ‘fucked up’ and ‘disgusting’. it is YOU who are fucked up in the head and utterly revolting. I don’t care that, as a women, i am neither ‘welcome’ nor ‘invited’ on this page, i have a right to freedom of speech, and I will exercise my right. it is not something that can be taken away from me.
          Same as the right to say no to people who may want to have sex with me. That is not your right to pick up a girl, decide you want to fuck her and go right ahead. That is rape.
          You really need to go and get an education and actually listen to yourselves. You sound like you’re living in the middle ages.

        21. yeah women become wicked when not being ruled under patriarchy… They crave to be ruled, corrected, taken care of, nothing is more intoxicating then a men who can take a charge… when being deprived of inner need to submit to a male authority they crave affection of mass murderers, killers, celebrities ect. because they live in society where average male is too weak and incompetent to take charge of the relationships. This is also the reason why they crave bdsm, slave positions, rough sex, high social status males ect.

        22. Ah, sarcasm. Well Mike, men have been far too apathetic for too long, wouldn’t you say? Don’t answer too quickly. But don’t get confused for even a second. There is nothing “hateful” about non-action, not caring and simply saying “no”. “Hateful” is something altogether different. Pray we never see it.

        23. Well said. What a disgusting site this is. I wonder how many of them are *this* close to doing the same thing Rodger did, if their demands for legal rape aren’t met. What a bunch of pathetic losers.

        24. I don’t understand your sarcastic response; I will assume you are male and not female. Whether ‘cool indifference’ and/or ‘apathy’ are looooved by women or not is immaterial. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to treat someone better than s/he treats you. If a man or woman is apathetic towards you, it is only fair and just that you reciprocate the disposition. Making the claim that one would be the better/bigger person if s/he doesn’t reciprocate the apathy is just a rationalization to justify your supplicative disposition…which, by the way, women above all find repulsive.
          As per your comment about women throwing their panties at me: well, ironically, I’ve gotten more of that through ‘cool indifference’ and ‘apathy’ than through meek supplication.

        25. Are you seriously saying that, if someone is apathetic towards you, it’s ‘fair and just’ to go and kill a load of innocent people? No wonder you don’t understand sarcasm, you’re a moron.

        26. Bro…it ain’t just women.
          It’s anyone who is raised largely by the media and the state, without a stable two-parent home.

        27. The problem isn’t “Approach anxiety” if a guy is approaching and still getting rejected.
          The problem is that he was a highly feminized male.

        28. ~ Women don’t give a fuck about society or anybody else. ~ I agree mostly but women can be devoted. I am married to an incredible Russian woman (14 years) who does EVERYTHING for me. But on the whole I have to agree. Women focus mostly about what they want and do not see the BIG picture. If they do care about the Big Picture usually they are lesbian nut jobs who just want to destroy White Men and Western Civilization.

        29. You are this! You are that! No we are not! We USED to be but now we are trapped in an Iron Cage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_cage
          We are slaves now and to admit anything else is to live a lie!
          Unlike Marx and Durkheim, both of who projected optimistic outcomes in the transition of modernity, Weber rejects the Enlightenment’s view of evolutionary progress and happiness. Instead he projects a “polar night of icy darkness,” a highly rational and bureaucratically organized social order, an “iron cage” in which people are trapped.”
          Considering Weber lived and wrote in Germany one hundred years ago it is eerie how he articulated modern American social order. Yes, we live in an iron cage. Our bodies themselves are being colonized as our system of bureaucracy takes us further into alienation. We live within the oligarchy that Weber realized. Our society and economy are controlled by one percent of the population and that elite cares nothing for the masses. Marx saw this too but (perhaps) foolishly believed in some utopian outcome brought about by the solidarity of the people. How can we find solidarity when we are trapped in an iron cage?
          We do live within the “polar night of icy darkness” and there seems to be no morning in sight. The individuals from the Enlightenment School, including Marx and Durkheim, are rolling in their graves. Even education, the most noble of all pursuits, has become terribly impersonal and ultra-rational. Students are coerced into taking out student loans from banking institutes to buy books from monopolized book stores that promise to buy back these same books, albeit at a greatly reduced price, so they can sell them again (at the original price) to the next unassuming student. This is education?
          One might argue that education for the masses is a sign of social progress. But what we offer as education is further proof of Weber’s vision. Our teachers are required to administer very specific material, to test and grade using hierarchical methods; grading students as if they were fish being measured and assessed whether to be kept or tossed back overboard. But what about the students who don’t “measure up”? Do we toss them aside? Of course we do – we have no system in which to work with them. Gone are the romantic days of a teacher/student relationships like Socrates and Plato. We have education factories where the sole purpose is processing not educating. Education has become bureaucratic.
          This is a mere microcosm of modern society. Wertrational (wert=”value”) has been superceded by zweckrational (zweck=”aim, goal, purpose”). Goal-oriented thinking has undermined the very soul of society. Weber’s pessimistic view of the transition of modern society has been realized. As compared to the Enlightenment this is certainly a time of the “polar night of icy darkness”.

        30. That’s what I was thinking. This seems to be about not allowing women to lead men around and how men should stand up and do what the fuck they want, but then men are being told they can’t even respond to women’s comments. What a load of horseshit. No one is going to get any help here. The kind of women worth having aren’t the kind that respond to apathy and verbal abuse anyway. The people who run these sites are making money and gaining fame off of stupid people who refuse to learn how to function in life without hate and resentment. That’s all there is to it. You think a woman who doesn’t want a rude ass man is ruining it for him? No. He’s ruining it for himself by listening to bullshit such as can be found on this site.

        31. They can’t hear themselves. Their tiny dicks are screaming too loudly.

        32. Would it make more sense for a moderator to delete comments made by bitches, as to prevent trolling?

        33. Thanks. And on behalf of men who aren’t pathetic, miserable, angry little shitheads, sorry.
          Go ahead and ban me from your shitty website for talking to another human now, you disgusting little fucks.

        34. Yes, women tend to do that. They have no business pretending to understand “rights” when they don’t even understand “responsibility”.

        35. You and the OP should get together and rub one off together in your little happy cloud of misogyny.

        36. They do. They have lives too. For example, the cuntress below.
          Note her other comment:
          “They are too busy listening to their tiny dicks”.
          They only have the same her-mentality, regurgitated, same old, same old shaming language to draw from with their little peanut sized minds.
          In fact, for a short period before Roosh initiated the ban on males replying to females we were doing a pretty good job policing ourselves.
          But, as always some faggot maaginas have to give in and give the cunts airtime.
          Just like in the real world, males will gladly throw fellow males under the bus for a whiff of stinky fish-smelling pussy.
          But look at the bright side.
          Now, instead of women thinking any single guy that tries to talk to them is a creepy rapist, they will also think we are closet mass-murderers as well. Lol.

        37. Misogyny is the “hatred of women”. I happened to LOVE women! So why rub one out? ….when there is no better place to deposit sperm.
          I don’t love women QUITE as much as the OP though. While we both crossed the world (myself a few times) he did it for the sole purpose of enjoying many women from different cultures and writing books on the subject.

        38. You show you hate women by denying their rights to govern their bodies, while concluding that they have no capacity for decency. It’s quite obvious that you view woman as if through some fictitious TV series. The women I’ve always surrounded myself with as friends and companions aren’t back stabbing crows looking for easy street. Only an awkward social maladapt would have difficulty seeing the forest from the trees.

        39. Well Bart, before you lie, presume and say something that fucking stupid… please show me WHERE I said “women don’t have the right to govern their bodies”??? Anytime you’re ready.
          If you scroll up you will find me saying that Return of Kings has the right to govern their own website….. but that’s not the same thing.
          Don’t ever pretend to know how I view women again.

        40. They have no business pretending to understand “rights” when they don’t even understand “responsibility”.
          “they (sweeping generalization) have no business understanding rights” (I take it that you deny them the inferred rights because of your generalization that none of them understand responsibility, much like a child or even less, like an idiot). The sheer fact that you call this disgustingly absurd website home, allows me to “pretend” and that’s proof enough for me to know, that for the most part, you are all frustrated men projecting your personal inadequacies onto an entire gender. What a pitiful little world.

        41. Women focus on immediate problems, men focus on big problems, like Truth with a big T, philosophy, politics etc.
          Try to make a woman think deeply, and she will say “what’s the point? This doesn’t affect me. This is boring.” Try to bring an intelligent man down to a shallow level of thinking, and he will say “This is boring. I can’t help but try to absorb and synthesize the information around me. There is so much to discover, so many useful conclusions to be drawn.”

        42. Hey now, careful with that emo shaming. Your fellow shitlibs are reading these pages afterall.
          Where’s my trigger warning? ;((((

        43. (LOL!!) I tell you, when I first heard the term “trigger warning” and learned what it was, I just about doubled over laughing.

        44. Yes Bart, this can be proven with the way women VOTE to be totally unaccountable for their actions. En masse, they deliberately VOTE and aggressively look to change the legal system so that women may imprison you with an unquestioned false rape accusation. Her word against yours. HER WORD AGAINST YOURS…. and you may not even question it. You can’t even question it.

          You can’t possibly GET anymore childish than that. And they want this to be LEGAL. Voting for zero accountability is all the evidence you need, buddy.
          And that’s just one example.
          Need another one? Women vote to be able to drink whatever they want….. and do whatever they want….. and do whoever they want….. but want it to be LEGAL for them to not be able to give consent.
          That’s right. The vast majority of women believe in their hearts that it is their “right” to drink a drink . . . . but when they do, they believe they (themselves) are no longer capable of deciding to open her own legs. Voting for it to be legal to have no accountability or concept of responsibility. Imagine voting that you are unable to make up your own mind…. and then come to a website where you think you have the right to speak it.
          A woman doesn’t even know the difference between “rape” and “non-rape” even you ask her to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth – so help her. And you’re gonna let her put a cop away because he gave her a ticket for driving without a license?
          No man ever cried “rape” for getting a traffic ticket.
          Because he understands RESPONSIBILITY.
          Will there be anything else?
          Because you are one frustrated little man projecting your insecurities on others by behaving as though there is something “insecure” about me pointing this all out to you with evidence. You provided nothing but baseless assumptions and stupid speculations.

        45. At what point in my comment did I mention murdering anyone? I never said nor implied that murder is acceptable because some others are apathetic towards you. I said apathy deserves apathy in return.
          I understand what sarcasm is; I didn’t understand its usefulness in that commenter’s response. Now, do you understand what reading comprehension is? It appears to me you do not.

        46. You don’t think so? You think you live in a just world? It’s all too easy for you to say someone is “insane” isn’t. From your cushy little chair with such a limited view of the world.

        47. Tom, Bart is an undercover cunt doing a very poor job of remaining undercover.

        48. Micky, I’m afraid it’s you who doesn’t understand sarcasm. We understand it just fine. The first thing you don’t understand is that it doesn’t even belong here. Because it doesn’t translate into print. Sarcasm requires tone of voice and body language – and especially restraint – to be effective.
          Your sarcasm fails because women actually DO love apathetic and indifferent men. So in order for your sarcasm to work, you would first have to prove that women DON’T prefer men like that… and it would have to be a widely accepted fact.
          But everyone knows the effect of not texting a chick back. And the longer you don’t text her back, the more she blows up your phone.
          We, on the whole, are a race of funny mans. We joke and are good at joking because it makes us feel good. It makes everyone feel good. Laughing is for pleasure. But just like half of an Oreo cookie, there is a dark side to comedy: sarcasm.
          We wield sarcasm with extreme prejudice. Lining up a battalion of facts to decimate their opponents’ defenses and bullshit and then toppling their Saddam like statue of dignity with a cutting sarcastic remark.
          One of the biggest problems with sarcasm is people like you who use it too much. We know that sarcasm overuse makes one look simple and petulant, but you seem to have no problem with that. That’s because people like you enjoy looking ill-tempered and brackish. They think it empowers them and makes them look interesting while they actually have nothing to offer. That’s why you’re sarcastic as often as fucking possible. In 2 out of 2 sentences.

        49. Yes, sadly there are cases where men have been falsely accused for rape. But what does this prove? That there are some bad women out there, what a revelation! There are also predatory men that seek to steal, kill and rape also, does society blame men in general for this? No.
          Your ideation that women in general want to falsely imprison, feminize, cuckold or humiliate men are baseless when taking into account the normal feelings of MOST women in the world, who are not scheming emotional thugs, but are in fact the caretakers of the young and old. Why do you hold women in such low regard? Because you have made YOURSELF a victim. Like all complainers in this world, the problem is always externalized. It’s not ME, it’s THEM!!!!

        50. The education system in America is designed to prepare the multitude for working in cubicle farms. It’s not an education system, it’s an indoctrination system.

        51. Exactly.
          Look at all the rich and powerful men. They get all the hot sexy women.
          Look at all the strong and powerful sportsmen. Usually dating models.
          And I have only banged one girl that didn’t like being spanked, hair pulled, and grabbed firm around the hips and controlled. Thats one out of about 60.
          They want it, and need it, and despite all the bullshit that comes from feminism, they know it.

        52. Tom, I don’t care if I’m labeled a ass kisser, your shit is always on point.
          Fuck equality, understanding, fairness, etc. This is about what’s going to help MEN period.

        53. Indeed. There are some beautiful women out there into some extreme forms of bdsm, although it’s difficult to tell if they’re into it or just doing it for attention/money. Maybe it’s all of the above.

        54. I had an old woman get pissed off because I wouldn’t accept her niceties. First, she’s old, second I was even tempered and told her I was good-to-go, didn’t need what she was offering.
          Instead of taking it for what it was worth, she gets pissed off. You see, that’s how they disarm you. They’re kind, sweet and feminine when they want something from you, but if you rebuff….that’s when the fangs come out.

        55. I would say a more accurate term is “masculinity.” That’s what they’re after.

        56. I’m flattered, but I don’t have the same level of wit and well articulated thoughts.

        57. Waitress!! Another round over here!!
          I’m buying.
          (Almost didn’t see it. But it’s worth more than double shot of the finest scotch because you said it when I wasn’t looking.)

        58. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Who cares what anybody else calls it? You know what it is just by looking at it. So respect back.
          Changing the world and saving lives, one man at a time. It’s up to us. Now If I only made it in time to stop the Kardashian wedding….. Oops.

        59. Don’t beg to these freaks. Just disagree. They are neanderthals with tiny penises.

        60. You struck gold. Women always scream about rights. I have yet to hear a single woman mention her responsibilities to society.
          Rights Must be balanced with responsibilities. Unfortunately, most modern women, being the narcissistic creatures that they are, don’t seem to realise that.

        61. Riiight. Just remember, whatever happens is the World’s fault, not your own.
          And that Thomas Ball was a gutless fuckwad, who rather than deal with his problems went for a grand display which did nothing than harm those most likely to care for him. A competent lawyer would have done him a lot more good than a match and gasoline.

        62. You support faggot marriage both male and female as completely natural, and we’re the freaks?

        63. Why do you keep feeding these hamsters????
          You have been told it is against site rules….but you keep doing it!

        64. Why are you upvoting women posters here?
          By doing this you are validating them…..it is JUST as bad as replying to their comments.

        65. LMAO, buddy!! Nothing says Pretend Alpha Male more than that wall of failure you wrote. Slit your wrists and bleed to death with the rest of the wannabe faggots.

        66. I couldn’t agree more. These loser blanket boys are a disgrace to all Real men.
          And that Rooshy loser who is their leader looks like a monkey and couldn’t get laid in Denmark. He blamed it on the Jante code haha He nearly got his butt kicked in Brazil for ‘dissing a woman.

        67. Scroll down and you will see I addressed someone named “BART” by name. That is a male name. When it was pointed out to me that she is a trolling cunt, I stopped responding and left immediately. See my reply to K-Swizz below. I am fully aware of the site rules and have already said (above) VERY CLEARLY I will not knowingly engage a bitch again and RIGOROUSLY respect the site rules. Thank you.

        68. I have met many men who like to be dominated. How about yourself? I would love to turn your rump a bright red.
          Men sometimes crave and want discipline themselves and I’m a woman who loves to give it. And I feel so sorry for these men because they can never ever tell their SO because they’ve built this wall of toughness around them. So many men here seem to be crying out for discipline from their women.

        69. Sex is more fun when both sexes get and give spankings. A little BDSM makes the world go around. Maybe you wouldn’t be such a grumpy gus is you got you ass whooped by your girlfriend every once in a while.
          You know you want it. You know you’d love to be forced to have sex with another man, too. How about a black man? I could help make that come true for you, hon. A good dominatrix could change your life.

        70. The world is never “just”, simply because human nature is a flawed thing in itself. Part of being mature and mentally balanced is seeing that and understanding that such is life, you have to take good with the bad in this world… but to turn indignation at unfairness to outright rage against people who in all reality didn’t deserve that “retribution” is definitely a sign of mental instability. It’s sad that he felt pushed to lashing out at society and felt so alone, but that far from justifies his actions, they really shouldn’t be defended. Defending a misunderstood, sexually frustrated, socially awkward kid with mental issues is one thing but the actions he took in such a hateful fit of rage don’t warrant any defending.

        71. “Countless men died for their rights”
          Do you think I as a hypothetical African American man need to bow to you then? The problem with you lies in the fact your bias fuels your argument. Nothing can ever be said without it becoming a cyclical “but we did it for these insert here” and “the white male is the focal point.”
          With justifications like these it is no wonder the Taliban have not ceased, the North Korean leaders have not stepped down, and why this falsehood persists today in every facet of society.

        72. @DANIEL
          No. And there is no need for you to twist what I said into some perverse interpretation about you as a hypothetical black man. I was specifically talking about WOMEN (not you or the Taliban or Korea)….. and the way they want “100% CHOICE” while being totally unwilling to accept 100% RESPONSIBILITY.

        73. Sorry ‘Tom’ but womens’ bodies don’t belong to men in the same way mens’ bodies don’t belong to women. The fact that you’re attempting to argue what rights are while in the same breath stating that freedom of autonomy isn’t a thing for women makes you look like an ignorant clown. It isn’t a womens responsibility to make some dudebro feel better about himself, fuck him, accept him because he said something nice/did something nice/is a man. To believe that that makes any kind of logical sense speaks of your lack of basic interpersonal skills and how the world ACTUALLY works.
          The fact that most posters on here and the original article is rife with the sort of trashy misogynistic double standards puts all of you supposed ‘alpha’ men ( lol srsly? you guys aren’t wolves. Maybe a pack of creepy assed cartoon villians, but not actual effing wolves. ) firmly in the category of men who won’t ever get the time of day from all these women you keep lambasting and going on about as if we are all some monolithic hive-mind. You can’t ever be taken seriously when you go on agreeing with the idea that women are somehow sluts for daring to enjoy sex the way men do and then be mad about the very idea that a woman is exercising her right to choose to not fuck you. Freedom of choice IS free. Someone’s body belongs to themselves and not some entitled douchenozzle dudebro who can’t get a woman to touch his dick. Think about your life choices and how you treat people. That’ll answer why you can’t get laid and why people likely laugh at you when you start spouting this unbelievable horseshit. lolol ‘women don’t know what they’re talking about’ give me a break. women aren’t willing to accept responsibility’ lol for what, your hurt feels? You and any man feeling entitled to someones vagina is not that persons fault or problem. They don’t owe it to you cause whoever you think you are. THAT’S. NOT. A. THING.

        74. A woman’s responsibility to society isn’t to fuck guys, be sexually available to them or make their lives about men they are or aren’t attracted to. You claim they’re narcissistic and yet here you are going on about the world and womens views needing to be about soothing your mainpain. Grow up.

        75. when you live with your parents
          (Both)- male and female
          you realize that there are rules and customs
          when you try to change those rules
          they tell you -not in my house-
          there is no difference between this and the rules of this website.
          just as you can’t go to a federal building with a boombox
          and play your favorite music whatever it may be.
          this does not mean people don’t see you as less human
          or are keeping you from exercising your rights
          gentlemen clubs have existed for decades, this is just the most recent version.

        76. OMG THANK YOU!! Thank you for instantly liberating all men from having to pay for and provide for women. We have been waiting for this day and it’s finally here! The days of women expecting men to pay for them, buy them gifts and jewelry and flowers, date single mothers, and provide for them are finally over! No more alimony. No more paying child support for kids that are not mine. No more trying to get their greedy claws into my wallet!! No more expecting me to say yes whenever they want something. Thank god it has arrived! No more sperm jacking our condoms and trying to trap us into fatherhood because they think we owe it to them to support their good for nothing lazy asses. Thank you. REALLY great job.

        77. I’ve come across this site before and noticed all of the hateful misogyny, so I swung by to see its take on this tragedy and it doesn’t fail to deliver – “More people will die unless you give men sexual options” ….. not a better summation of the term “sexual entitlement”……. and these hateful sickos (who call themselves “nice guys”) wonder they struggle so much with girls.

        78. Lol, the fact that this was your takeaway from what I said proves that your head is firmly stuck up your own ass. Men are not the only ones who pay alimony. Child support goes to children that ARE yours and if they’re not then do something about that instead of crying about it in some strawman argument that isn’t relevant. Again, women are not some monolothic hive-mind. just because Suzy tried to take you for everything you have doesn’t mean Brenda is at fault for it or will follow Suzy’s example or should be blamed for it. To think that that is even a thing is insane of you. It is common sense to not attribute the actions of one or a few to the whole of a gender/community and I can tell your common sense got lost in the mail, or maybe you actually truly believe what you’re saying and what ideals you’re upholding, which is that men are somehow to be excused from basic things, like respecting others, understanding that rejection though it may hurt is the right of everyone and that this world does not owe them a thing. Let me try to personalize it since you’re still being an idiot about the situation. No man on this planet owes it to me to stay celibate untill I come along because i don’t want to remnants of some other girls crotch on his cock. No man owes it to me to fuck me just because I’m attracted to him, never mind that he might not be attracted to me. A man is not required, nor does he owe me the opening of doors, the paying for of my meal, to make me feel better about my life or focus his entire world around my wants and needs. THE. SAME. IS. TRUE. IN. REVERSE. Women don’t owe it to men to be pure until you come along. the fact that THAT’S even a point of contrition begs the question; just who are all these supposed alpha males fucking on if women exist purely for the pleasure of men but are sluts if they have sex? are these men fucking actual goats or something? is that a thing? They don’t owe it to men to put out because some dude bought dinner or paid a bill or said something nice to them. Men are not owed anything for being ‘nice’. Men reject women constantly, have standards and all of that and as much as that sucks, it’s the same in reverse. Rejecting someone because you’re not interested in them is not some emasculating thing. Sure it hurts and it sucks but what do you want someone who isn’t attracted to you/doesn’t want you to do? Just go along with it cause touching your dick is imperative to your well being? lolololololol. What about their choices? Oh let me guess, they shouldn’t have them cause one time some girl was really mean to you, huh? Because some girl got pregnant even though you wrapped it up so that MUST mean she trapped you. Nevermind that condoms aren’t 100% Nevermind that you were probably the sort of dumbass who thought carrying condoms in your wallet was somehow not detrimental to the integrity of the condom. Nevermind that hey, you probably shelled out funds because you thought it would get you something and when it didn’t, you come screaming about the womenz and how they’re horrible slutty nothings who need to be ruled. What I see in your laughably ridiculous reply to me is a whole lot of pointing the finger of blame at the opposite gender whilst taking no personal responsibility for yourself. You might want to take a night class on interpersonal skills. I think this entire forums members might benefit from that. lolol

        79. i would say it is both, a processing system
          as harry stated, to weed out the unwanted revolutionary men
          and to indoctrinate those that meet the requirements of what a follower should be, those people become the pigs in the cubicles.
          i used pig because they will gobble anything and think it’s the tastiest thing, just as the people in the cubibles will gobble society’s lies.

        80. what does this mean anyway? you want women to fuck you? then, they’ll care?

        81. How can all you guys think women are all the same???? There are bad men and bad women! I feel for anyone (man or woman) who has had a bad experience relationship wise. It makes me suck all this talk about how men should treat women and how women are disgusting! I’ve met plenty of disgusting men too! Stop feeling sorry for yourselves! Heart break and pain and lonliness is life! Unless you’re a complete narcissist which causes the pain and heart break. If you are lucky you’ll meet someone and be happy but you may not. Deal with it and stop blaming women, men etc. not everyone in the world will be happy! Just thank your lucky stars you’re not starving or homeless or ill!

        82. Yes, I support freedom and equality for all people. You dickless wonders are so filled with bile, I doubt you could ever get someone to touch your wee pecker without monetary compensation. I don’t think you’ll ever have to worry about marriage… you’ll never find a willing participant. Just to clarify: Yes, you’re the freaks.

        83. Profile of a MAN who doesn’t text a girl back:
          He’s actually too busy and wanted to text her back
          he’s got plenty of women
          He’s definitely NOT wasting his time on message boards like this.
          HE actually gets laid without having to pay for it. No wonder you guys hate him!

        84. Ah but of course, your doubt is not placed upon my intelligence level or any quality of substance. No, it is on if some feminazi would be willing to have sex with me as if that is all I am worth, and as if I give a fuck. What you support is degenerate and perverse. That’s it. You yourself are degenerate and perverse. And bitch-made. You probably would let either a woman or a man peg you, with your bitch-ass. Probably have a high voice too. You can return to worshipping and lusting after Obama now.

        85. Shooting up strangers like that is sane…?
          Wow, I bet you’ve had at least ONE accidental discharge…

        86. Thank you! Thank you once again for instantly liberating all men from having to do a single fucking thing for women anymore. Thank you!

        87. …. says a joker with the most insane character ever as his avatar. Did I imply he was sane? You fucking idiot. No. I said “only in a world this shitty and backwards could you say he was entirely nuts.” You can’t easily write him off as insane for too many reasons. There are too many actually culturally significant factors which lead up to this sort of thing for you to pretend he’s just a whack job.
          Don’t ever try and flip the script like that when it’s right in front of you in black and white. You’ll only humiliate yourself.
          Tough to know which is worse.
          Extreme idiots or lunacy.

        88. No. Why. Are you? Thought it was pretty clear we are fucking thrilled you dropped to show everyone how AWESOME it is that men are no longer required to give a fuck what women want anymore. Thanks!

        89. I’m embracing the CHAOS of the NRA, fool…
          The person is MENTALLY DEFECTIVE, PERIOD…
          Uncontrollable anger could be considered a defect…

        90. loooooooolz This is just getting more and more amusing. Stay pressed, neckbeard.

        91. I agree!! You came here saying “men don’t have the right to women’s bodies ” not expecting anyone to AGREE with you. Then when a man says “GREAT!!! Women have no rights to my WALLET” you realize how you just fucked youself.
          You fucking idiot. It’s amusing alright. Thank you once again for turning yourself into a goddam joke.

        92. Explain, like i’m five how I’m somehow fucked and how women are somehow fucked by not having the right to your wallet or mens wallets? Actually, don’t bother. Your mentality is on par with a 12 year old pair of clownshoes.
          Sane people generally understand that that’s a given without needing to be told. Clearly you’re not in the majority of sane persons. This has been true since the dawn of humanity, how you don’t realize that at all is astounding and please, since your intelligence on basic humanity is lacking based on your everything, lets not pretend like you ‘agreeing’ was anymore than you attempting to come off as clever. PSA dude; It didn’t work. You still lose, you’re still ridiculous for equating someones body to a wallet, and you especially still look like an idiot for even typing the words ‘instantly liberating all men from having to do a single thing for women anymore.’ lmao, Nobody ever told you it was imperative that you do that. You’ve always had the option to do or not do for women, genius. in the very same way women have the option to date you or tell you to strike up a close and personal relationship between your dick and dominant hand for the foreseeable future. With how you’ve been going and the level of your anger and lack of basic logic here, I’m gonna go with the latter as being something you’re frequently told. Sadly, I can’t find it in myself to be sympathetic to your plight.
          Anyway, like I said. Stay pressed. 😀 and, if you get busy with your hand like i’m sure you will, you might want to think about putting a ring on it if things get serious. :p Ta

        93. I’m willing to bet 100 bucks that Mike isn’t very popular with the chicks, lol.

        94. I would criticize you, but then I saw you calling someone else a “faggot”. That requires at least SOME testicular fortitude these days.

        95. “Because we all know the ladies just loooove ‘cool indifference’ and apathy, right?”
          They do bro.

        96. Well you see, it works like this.
          WOMEN. WANT. OUR. MONEY and LABOUR.
          Women want MORE from men….
          than men want from women.
          Women NEED more from men….
          than men need from women.
          Without our labor and money, you’re fucked.
          And not in a good way

          So for you to waltz in here and pretend you’re not fucked, means you haven’t thought about it very carefully. Women are the gatekeepers of sex…. but MEN are the gatekeepers of COMMITMENT.
          When a woman says “you can’t have my vagina!” she’s withholding nothing a man can get from some other cheaper whore very very easily. But, when a man says….. you can’t have my cash and labour, she’s fucked. And the older she gets….. the more she is fucked. And you’ll never see a woman cleaning other people’s garbage away.
          So we are DELIGHTED that you made a point of saying “women’s bodies don’t belong to men” because our labor and money and courtesies and free rides and free drinks and free help and privileges that you have been taking for granted NO LONGER BELONG TO YOU.
          So now, when men stop giving a shit about you too… within 3-5 days women will practically throw their vaginas at us for free just to get us men to take the stinking garbage away. And thats the important difference you are too stupid to admit to yourself.
          Say hi to your cats from all of us:
          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1237311/LIZ-JONES-Wish-lonely-Christmas-spare-thought-millions-women-like-me.html
          That’s your future. Tick tock Tick Tock….

        97. Oh honey 🙁 you know this “war on women” you keep pretending to talk about? Well… imagine for a second if there really were a “war on women”…..
          … and men. actually. showed. up.
          You haven’t got a hope in hell. So just cut the shit, spread your legs and shut the fuck up. Because that’s just about all you’re good for.

        98. What a fucking pussy!! You can’t get a date, sorry asshole look in the mirror!! Women are smarter than you, they can see a psychopath when they see one. You’re an alpha rotting corpse now.

        99. We love letting you think “women are smarter”. You keep believing that sweetie. It’s every woman’s hubris. And that’s exactly how we get you. Carry on.

        100. Hey asshole, more people WILL die if you don’t give incels sexual options. That’s why prostitution was tolerated in medieval times and monogamy was preferred to polygamy.

        101. “Sorry ‘Tom’ but womens’ bodies don’t belong to men in the same way mens’ bodies don’t belong to women.”
          But mens labor, life and resources do AMIRITE? Men are also forced to hire women even though they don’t want to.
          So much for freedom of association.

        102. “Men are not the only ones who pay alimony.”
          They’re the overwhelming majority you stupid fuck.

        103. “how women are somehow fucked by not having the right to your wallet or mens wallets?”
          Women cannot survive or maintain 1st world civilizations without men. Look at healthcare. It’s men paying for women. I’m not suprised that you wouldn’t understand that, but women without access to mens assets are fucked.

        104. Hate to break it to you….
          But men also cannot survive without women. You know…. that whole sperm and egg thing?

        105. Hate to break it to you, but yes we can and since we have already created fuckdolls and are currently working on the artificial womb – you should be more polite. Because your useless and worthless ass are to be rendered obsolete.

        106. I’m sorry but when this site writes blogs about taking away women’s rights and there are comments about legalizing rape and hate crimes against people for being gay, trans or female, there is no reason why women commenting is crossing any logical boundaries. This site as a whole crosses all the boundaries of violating human rights so why is it such a bad thing if women comment?

        107. No people will continue to die if we don’t start teaching our boys that they are not entitled to sex. That was the problem with Elliot, he thought women owed him sex even if they had never seen him before. Behavior like that needs to be discouraged and weeded out.

        108. Haha, oh I had no idea that fuckdolls and artificial wombs came with functioning eggs. Silly me. Just out of curiosity…. where do you plan on keeping the fetuses during the nine month gestational period?
          I would love to know what type of value you provide to society. Keeping your mother’s couch from floating away in the basement?

        109. the only thing i acknowledge as a hate crime is killing someone, you people are so sensitive just calling someone gay is a hate crime to you.
          just as the reported sexual assaults go beyond 200,000
          people might think this is all men raping women
          turns out it might just be a man who’s hand accidentally rubbed against a woman’s ass.
          when you start persecuting people for calling someone names or just accidentally touching them somewhere they FEEL uncomfortable/violated it’s time for your GIVEN rights to be taken away.
          the logic/reason for keeping women from commenting,
          is the belief that having any kind of belief that you might disagree with, constitutes the violation of human rights.
          how can you talk to someone that believes you shouldn’t believe what you believe?
          or that believing such a thing is a violation of human rights?

        110. The things spoken of on this site, if put into action in reality would be a violation of human rights. Forcing girls into sexual servitude is seen in other nations by us as violation of human rights, forcing them to marry, mass rape, infanticide of baby girls, keeping gay people from marrying, or from being in certain professions, that’s all discrimination and violation of the right to life liberty and happiness as well as a violation of human rights. Touching someone’s ass is sexual harassment not assault and most every woman knows that, but few men can make the distinction. You would be offended if someone called you feminine so why is it okay to call gay people “faggots” or women “bitches” but it’s not okay for men to be called essentially “less masculine”? And about talking to people who don’t believe what you believe, that’s how great debates and discussions are born.

        111. this is the saddest commentary on men that i have ever seen. fortunately you’re in the minority or there would be no perpetuation of the species.

        112. sounds like a lot of you guys really have some personal problems that you should work out yourselves.

        113. you’re welcome. please consider yourself excused. i can’t imagine any woman wanting you to do ANYTHING for them EVER.

        114. do you hear yourself? just change the gender in your stupid comment. the doubt is placed on if some man would be willing to have sex with me as if that’s all I am worth, AS IF I GIVE A FUCK. continue with the rest of the comment and apply it to your stupid self.

        115. why do i get the distinct impression you’re actually a garbage collector? with really bad BO, and a nasty case of crabs.

        116. talking about people who don’t believe what you believe is not what i was talking about,
          i said : “how can you talk to someone that believes you shouldn’t believe what you believe?”
          it’s not about i want to understand, let’s find a common ground, it’s about -you should not believe this-
          maybe you are right about the stuff you are talking about
          but i have never seen any article about the mass murder of baby girls – mass rape or anything as radical as the rest, but if you say to me that there is nothing more natural then having a man put his dick in another man’s ass and you can prove it then tomorrow i will leave my house and go sign up to vote in favor of gay marriage in every state in which it is not allowed.
          i don’t see it as a human right because being human means you are part of nature and the way we mate is natural.
          and if that is not the case, let me say this:
          if you wish to be human and include gay marriage as a human right then it must also be true that incest should be legal and a human right. it must also be true that bestiality is normal and should be considered a human right.
          this would mean we are not hypocrites
          it would mean that we care about people and the choices they make and that the way we feel is much more important
          then what we consider moral or logical.
          if you agree with the above then i would be fine with gay marriage.
          if someone called me feminine i would laugh at them and walk away because i am more then confident that i am not feminine. but i see your point and again this is not a reason
          to make some sort of law, this not only fantasizes the law
          it causes people to take drastic actions that everyone will regret.
          and about the touch and all that basically everything we talk about is a problem because people are too sensitive
          and you want us to accept this social state of sensitivity as if it was normal.
          and that’s pretty much the problem.

        117. Actually, in the spectrum of domination-submission, she is right.
          There are four groups, categorized in order by size.
          1 – Submissive Women
          2 – Submissive Men
          3 – Dominant Men
          4 – Dominant Women
          In the sexual marketplace, Submissive Women outnumber the Dominant Men they seek (which is why game works).
          But conversely, a dominant woman has an even greater sexual market – submissive men. This is why a good dominatrix can charge almost anything she wants. She is in short supply from a huge market.
          The same thing happens with Alpha men – they are in short supply for a large market, but the largest market-share goes to dom-females, since there are truly hardly any of them who truly understand the dom-sub dynamic. Once they do understand it, they become rich and retire.

        118. I don’t see how incest or bestiality is even related to gay marriage. The reason incest is illegal is because usually incestuous relationships are through rape and the offspring are mentally ill or somehow deformed and thus live horrible lives, bestiality is illegal because animals can’t consent to sex with humans. Gay sex is a consensual act between two adults and doesn’t cause any adverse effect on the children gay couples adopt. Not allowing a gay couple to be married because you are against it is kind of like getting mad at someone for eating meat if you’re a vegan. It doesn’t affect you in any way, it’s just two people loving each other and there’s nothing wrong with the fact that they are both men or that they are both women.
          Okay I made a mistake in my list of articles on the site versus things in reality, but if you go through and read comments there are people here who believe women should be forced into sex slavery and that rape should be legalized. There are articles here about taking away womens’ right to vote and taking away their choices in what they can do with their bodies. In real life forced marriages occur in 3rd world countries all the time, mostly African nations. China’s “one child” policy led to the infant deaths of thousands of infant girls because the parents wanted boys.

        119. I would extrapolate further and say that on the next level, this philosophy gives even more of these losers implied permission to employ domestic violence, should their cumcatchers not cooperate. Willing to bet the incidence and degree of domestic violence is markedly higher among people with this stripe of psychological disorder, than among the general population.

        120. I believe the term is “micropenis”. Or they might have buried penises. Who knows?

        121. On the other hand, we don’t need them. There’s enough sperm in sperm banks to reproduce in perpetuity already. I think that’s what’s really going on here. They’re no longer needed. We can support ourselves, live the lives we chose without their permission, decide our own sexual paths. When any segment of the population protests this loudly, you know something’s up with their argument in the first place.

        122. Agreed. The whole money-making aspect of this cultish movement just seems to go ignored, either out of ignorance or desperation. It’s better to live alone than with someone so intellectually abrogated, and emotionally bankrupt. Fortunately, there are so many really good men out there, it’s not necessary.

        123. while i would LOVE to talk about all of the problems women face world wide it would take too long,
          it would digress from the main subject,(women allowed to comment in one specific website)
          it would minimize the world wide problems of men (if not included in the same conversation)
          it would be acknowledging our superiority or the superiority of our culture over that of the other
          regions of the world.
          i seriously would love to talk about it all, it’s very interesting to me and unlike most people here,
          i do believe that women’s problems are the problems of men or human problems.
          again, what people say in the comments is completely different then what is said in the articles.
          while most of it is gold that actually has to do with the article, (people sharing experiences)
          i acknowledge that there are some crazy people on the internet. (those that want to legalize rape)
          incest, bestiality and gays
          “The reason incest is illegal is because usually incestuous relationships are through rape”
          rape is illegal incest does not have to be illegal, there is no proof that MOST incestuous relationships are through rape and if they were through rape they would not be relationships.
          for people who actually want a relationship it’s still illegal. gays do not have kids, as long as one of the incest couple decides to be castrated there should be no problem.
          also, pedophilia with consent should not be considered pedophilia, certainly not when a 16 or 17 year old has sex with a 19 or 20 year old. and since we are talking about the lgbt’s rights,
          if a mother decides that his child knows that he/she wants to become a transsexual at an early age and agrees to the operation, i don’t see why men can’t have consensual sex with children
          of 12, if that is old enough to decide whether or not we feel comfortable as a man or woman, why is it not old enough to have consensual sex?
          “bestiality is illegal because animals can’t consent to sex with humans”
          i have heard before that it is rape if women don’t consent to sex, no one ever told me whether or not i had to sign a contract every time or whether we had to seat on a table and discuss if it should happen 5 minutes later.
          or is it OK to just signal to each other that we want to have sex and go about it.
          if it is not the last one, i should be in a dark hole somewhere.
          just as there is gay porn on the internet, there is also cross species porn. while i find it disgusting, let me tell you, i watched a couple videos, and it’s usually male dogs male horses and female humans, none of the animals looked like they were in pain or unconsenting.
          even if they were unconsenting i’m sure there is a law that allows people the freedom to do as they please with their possessions. even if they couldn’t have sex that does not mean they should not be allowed to marry, if someone loves their dogs so much that they would leave them a some of a million dollars as an inheritance why should they not have the choice to marry?
          if i told you how many times i saw this written this way you would call me a liar, it’s like you people go to the same website and copy it from some article and post it in the argument you happen to need it in, maybe you memorized it? unlikely.
          here it is:
          “Gay sex is a consensual act between two adults and doesn’t cause any
          adverse effect on the children gay couples adopt. Not allowing a gay
          couple to be married because you are against it is kind of like getting
          mad at someone for eating meat if you’re a vegan. It doesn’t affect you
          in any way, it’s just two people loving each other and there’s nothing
          wrong with the fact that they are both men or that they are both women.”
          i’m not into religion, i don’t give a shit about god or marriage, most men on this site don’t care about marriage, i’m telling you this so you can understand that i come from the most logical point of view possible.
          i have 2 lesbian friends, one used to be my teacher, she knows how i feel and she declared that i am not homophobic, i don’t know any gay men.
          i don’t know about children adopted by gays, i do think children need to raised by a man and a woman because that is the natural way of things other then that i think it’s great that children
          find a home instead of staying in the federal system so i don’t much give a shit about that either.
          i don’t care whether they love each other or hate each other it’s all fine, until they decide to normalize homosexuality.
          do you know what the word normal means? it does not mean right or wrong, the Chinese kill their baby girls because it’s normal in their society.
          when you make songs about gays and movies and tv-shows you normalize homosexuality
          but it’s never over until the punchline and that is what makes it all ok
          -marriage- it tells people there is nothing wrong with homosexuality at all.
          if we saw incest on tv all the time it would also become normal and then they would go for the punchline.
          why is it not ok to love your partner and live with them without society acknowledging that it is ok?
          i asked you to tell me if you thought homosexuality was natural you said nothing.
          once we as a society start to legalize unnatural things like GMO’s and Gay marriage
          do you really think we are gonna have a moral line to follow?
          when we as a society say start to say yes to unnatural things because of feelings and economical advancement, where does it stop?

        124. My ex-husband was one of these. Hence, the ex. My husband of nearly 20 years, hardly a pussy, having served two tours in the Marines (including active duty–how much have you served, Alphas?), decorated. In spite of his actual masculinity (unlike this mass marketed stuff), he is a wonderful human being, a great father, and we respect and adore him based upon who he is as a person, not what genitals he was born with. That gets you NOTHING in this world.

        125. When I put up a post last night, positing that in 10 years, these men will look back and found that they have cultivated nothing of worth in terms of human relationships and connections. And you cannot get those years back. I will be interested to read about the survivors of this brainwashing, and how they’re dealing with the realization that we’re all, first and foremost, human beings. It will be a bitter pill to swallow when they realize they’ve squandered that in favor of repulsing the opposite sex.

        126. Agree, Stephen. I don’t think they’ll get to the marriage stage. These guys have shades of men all over the world who would subjugate women just so there can be someone, anyone they can feel superior too. Not many captains of industry here, to be sure.

        127. Whatever you say, Captain Sociology. You do realize that the whole “alpha male” thing came out of studies of wolf populations and has long since been discredited, right? You’re talking pseudo-science bullshit.

        128. Or maybe it does no good because you’re wrong and refuse to listen to anyone who tells you you’re wrong. Did you ever consider that? Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, women might know more than you? And that they don’t care about your opinion because you’re an idiot?
          Grow the fuck up and stop feeling sorry for yourself. Any problems you have dealing with women are due to your own actions, not anyone else’s.

        129. A guy just went on a killing spree because women didn’t like him, and you don’t think there’s a war on women? Take your head out of your ass. The very existence of this webpage is more evidence of a war on women than there is of all the evil conspiracies you attribute to them.

        130. Actually, nothing says Pretend Alpha Male more than telling someone to kill himself from behind a keyboard.
          If you guys are such super-duper manly men, why are you here? Why aren’t you out, you know, meeting women, instead of sitting here ranting about your inability to do so?

        131. Six more comments of mine vaporized in one hour tonight. Huge compliment, because it means I’m making points that are dangerous to his book sales!

        132. Just to keep things straight I’m gonna use bullets.
          1. On your point about animals not looking like they are in pain: Animals don’t use the same facial and vocal expressions of pain as humans do so unless you know what their sounds and faces mean you have no idea if they are hurt or not.
          2. Just because an animal was in a porn video doesn’t mean it wanted to be there kind of like it doesn’t want to be in a slaughter house.
          3. Pedophilia is vastly different from transsexualism and homosexuality. Pedophilia is when older men or women like pre-pubescent children. Children often do not fully understand sex before the 7th grade and so are not able to give proper informed consent to sexual activity.
          4. Children don’t need a male and female parent. I was raised by one woman, my mother, and I turned out okay; I don’t do drugs, I don’t act stupid, I have a good smart head on my shoulders, I have attainable goals and a promising future. I have a friend who was raised by both of her parents, her mom and dad, and she has a plan for her future and starts school this fall for culinary arts. I also have a friend who has 2 dads, she also is smart and doesn’t do stupid shit like drugs or drinking or participating in illegal activities. But then again I know kids raised by both a mom and dad who turned into stoners, druggies, alcoholics and just plain dead losers. The point is, based on my experiences, It doesn’t matter if your parents are gay or straight, a child needs proper guidance in order to become a functioning adult with a future. If you have good parents, then chances are you will turn out good.
          5. Homosexuality is normal. It’s been happening since long before the rise of the Roman Empire, in fact, it was considered quite normal for rulers and ordinary men to have gay lovers. There were homoerotic paintings and sculpture that were quite beautiful. The only reason homosexuality became a hidden practice and thus “not normal” was because of Christianity and other monotheistic religions that frowned upon it. So when the laws and rules and social constructs that shunned homosexuality came into place thousands of years ago threatening gays with beatings and death, gays went underground to preserve their lives, until fairly recently when people actually thought that the world had changed enough that everyone was could be who they wanted without being shunned by society.
          6. GMOs are legal and even though they shouldn’t be, they are on our grocery store shelves. And if you don’t want and “unnatural” things legal, then say goodbye to fast food (yuck) artificial snacks like cheetos and stuff like that, but also pesticides and “preventative antibiotics” that are used on cows and other livestock. But since my view on the “natural-ness” of homosexuality is in number 5, homosexuality and gay marriage are not part of that group. GMOs and artificial food cause more harm to society than homosexuality and gay marriage ever will.
          7. Since I pointed out that homosexuality is in fact normal in number 5, if you don’t want homosexuality normalized in tv and media, neither should heterosexuality. They are both normal behaviors of humans, so if one can’t be normalized the other can’t be either. And honestly the immoral thing to do is deny people their rights (in more than just marriage) just because they love someone of the same sex. It would be like pre-civil rights white people denying rights to black people. Just because someone is in the minority doesn’t mean they are unnatural or evil to society; saying that is like saying gingers are evil because red hair only occurs in 1% of the total population of Earth, it’s just genetics and it’s wrong to hate someone for how they are born, be it gay, straight, trans, white, black, male , female, it doesn’t matter, we are all still people and should not be denied rights, especially the inalienable rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, based on how we are born.

        133. Yeah, that’s still not a thing, Gu. Women have been surviving without mens wallets and ahahahaha that you even think that men are paying for womens healthcare is one of the more ridiculous claims on this site. You do know that that’s not how taxes work, right? You do realize women work and provide for themselves, yeah? That all women aren’t sat around waiting on the likes of you or whoever to come make their world a brighter place or nah? I’m gonna go with or nah.
          You can’t honestly think you’re speaking facts because men have historically blown shit up and run things. Women can and have run civilizations, maintained them absent male guidance and even watched them prosper and it’s well on it’s way to happening here in America. Oh I get it now, somehow that threatens you? I don’t see how it would and you’re not surprised why i wouldn’t understand the generic crazy you’re spouting? lol let me fill you in. I don’t generally spend my time on crazy trains, gu. that’s why. Women have assets just as well as men do and access to it is neither here nor there, it’s just you and people like you who seem to think everyone is salivating after your riches. They’re not.

        134. You still on this whole women want you and your money and labour thing? lolol, let me learn you a thing. Just because you think a thing is going on, doesn’t make it an actual thing that’s going on. You’re probably not a woman so you couldn’t possibly know what women want from men or that they want more from men. You can only speak on what men and more specifically, YOU want from women. That’s it. That’s the bottom line. There isn’t anything to think about because this isn’t a hunter/gather society. We don’t live in caves as much you and the people on this forum emulate that.
          Again, women are not a hive-mind. Women don’t actually need men for anything. Not even to defend themselves, not even to get off, not to reproduce, not to exsist, not to open the jar of pickles, to clean, to compliment them, to literally do anything for them. because they are also people and self sufficient. I know right?! that’s awesome isn’t it. what a time to be alive.
          Your labour is non-exsistent, not needed and certainly not wanted, neither is your money and i despair of you grasping that. hmm, maybe if i just dumb it down a bit more.
          Women, in general. do. not. need. men. or. you. for. anything. pretending. that. they. do. to. make. yourself. feel. better. won’t. add. weight. to. your. crazy. argument.
          You WANT women to want men more and need them more and you want them to want your money and your labour and because they don’t, because they’re laughing in your face like how i’m doing now about your cooky assed argument on the matter, you keep insisting that no, that you know what women want somehow. I’d love to know how you know all these things. Is it back to that one time some girl wanted you to pay for a date? lololol you know you had the option not to back then, right?
          The gatekeepers of sex and commitment? Oh my god you are laughably delusional. Women are the gatekeepers of their own sex and their own commitment and so are men. Notice how it takes two to do either of those things? lumping one group into the sex keepers and one into the comittment keepers is just you once again showing everyone how much of an actual idiot you are. One because it’s just laughable. Two because how do you explain LGBTQ persons? How do you explain lesbians? by your crazy definition, comittment between two women isn’t possible, and sex between two men isn’t a thing that can happen, what about trans women and men? gender fluid queer folk? asexuals? I’ll wait while you cry as you realize that your argument has been throughly run through with logic by me, the apparent cat lady? lol.
          when a woman says you can’t have her vagina, this supposed other cheaper whore can also tell you you can’t have her vagina. the fact that you threw ‘cheaper’ in there is likely due to you getting your fix from a sex worker i’m guessing which even then, just because a sex worker is a sex worker, doesn’t mean they owe you their vagina either. OMG you say. but they’re whores! i’m paying! So. Still not entitled, still don’t actually need to fuck you to make their world a better place. Still don’t NEED you or want you for that matter.
          Men, historically are the only ones who seem to ahve a problem with getting old. women who age are not ‘fucked’ in this way you mean to define as ‘oh boo hoo, she’s not worthy, nobody wants her etc whatever mansplaining bullshit thing you’re thinking’ that’s also not a thing dude. Seems like you and your ilk are pissed about getting old and how i guess younger women don’t want your babyback bullshit or whatever pickup artist shitheel tactics you’re into spewing.
          newsflash guest, getting drinks and rides and meals and bills paid by men or you has never been a privilege and not something anyone owes you for. we’re not fucked for not giving a shit either way if you do it. and here’s a little tip from me to you. If you do any of those things with the express purpose of getting ass or something else out of it, that’s probably why they won’t date you and you feel used cause see, you’ve been using them to get sex. here, let me pay for this meal babe, let me take you out, let me buy you this thing here cause i want to get my dick wet. Women can tell when you’re that sort of shitheel and to be perfectly honest, you deserve it if they keep allowing you to pay because they still don’t owe you nothing so no, we as women aren’t fucked, sounds like you are tho cause your arguments on the matter get increasingly more unstable and laughably ridiculous. None of your ‘nice guy’ tactics ever belonged to us and to pretend that they did is you being stupid. here’s another thing, NOBODY ASKED YOU MEN TO DO ANY OF THIS SO IF IT’S SUCH AN ISSUE, STOP. There, problem solved.
          Men have BEEN not giving a shit about women, the only diffrence between men and women is that men care a whole hell of alot more about women shrugging their shoulders and moving on with their lives while women are…shrugging their shoulders and moving on with their lives cause Dudebro #345-jl9 or Nice Guy 45c-A said he was done with skanks. You’re mad because you say ‘MEN DON’T CARE ABOUT WOMEN AND THEN THEY’RE FUCKED MWAHAHAHAHA’ and instead of women everywhere breaking down in tears over it, they shrug and laugh at you and keep it moving while you’re fuming and still waiting and think you’re owed a ‘please, baby please take me back’. it’s not in the cards for you boo. You can blame Obama for this too since you love red herring arguments. lol bye.

        135. Ah, you’re an Incel, that explains alot about the fuckery you’re spewing. There is literally no documented proof of Incel actually being a thing throughout the whole of human history and here you are trying to convince someone that your murderous urges are valid and should be excused cause hookers were around in medieval times? This is why people don’t take you seriously. Making up fake facts like that is not only pathetic, it doesn’t give you any kind of moral or logical ground to stand on. Not getting your dick wet isn’t a disorder. Having never gotten your dick wet isn’t a disorder. It might suck a whole bunch in the way that you’re not getting sucked off but that doesn’t drive people to kill. How can you be murderous about something you’ve never had? and Why is it someones job and obligation to give it to you?

        136. And uh, how exactly does one do that? Shame? More shame? Prostrating for women while they choose whomever they want to bang, commit to, divorce, and take resources from said male? While keeping custody of his children? While receiving the vast majority of social initiatives in education, healthcare, retirement, suicide, violence, and rape despite doing better in every one of those categories on average?
          Maybe more shame?
          You can try all you want to “re-educate” young, depressed, lonely, disaffected boys who believe they have no stake in society. They’re not going to give a shit about people like you who haven’t demonstrated they care about them in some meaningful way, and only exist to “teach” them to be disposable units for women.

        137. *sigh* that’s too bad. not every woman who sneaks a comment in here is a raging super feminist. much the same as not every man here is the villain ultra feminists paint them out to be. exclusion won’t promote understanding on either side.

        138. i have a lot of people that i am talking to, and i really am tired of talking to stupid people who just don’t WANT to understand, so i’m gonna ignore all the other bullshit you said and focus on one thing.
          -normal- is a human construct, it means: accepted
          what i asked you was whether or not it was NATURAL to be gay.
          everything in nature has a natural purpose
          if it does not, like plastic bags free in the environment, it becomes destructive.
          if something has no natural purpose then it is not natural.
          just as babies born with 2 heads are not natural.
          it kills me that you can’t see past your emotions but i need to know that you understand the difference between normal and natural
          don’t give me the shit about cars are not natural cars are tools
          what is not natural is the way we use the tools we have, (just as a gay guy has sex).

        139. MY. POINT. EXACTLY. Younger women have a slightly different response…instead of getting angry (which they do to some degree) they’ll run off to some other man in your vicinity and begin to flirt with him; this is the young woman’s way of saying: “if you did what I asked (while I batted my eyelashes) I would have thrown my pussy at you, but since you refuse to do as I bid I will give my attention to some other sucker to make you jealous.”
          So she thinks she’s getting back at you by prostituting herself to some other man. She knew and you knew that you weren’t going to get to sleep with her whether you did what she asked or didn’t do what she asked.
          PS, you have now piqued her interest after you declined to do her bidding.

        140. Notice how many likes the healthy comments have, vs the angry rants of these toddlers who never outgrew their tantrums. Case in point, yours.

        141. I have to wonder about their true numbers. I don’t think they’re vast. Typically, the mindset that “If I can’t get what I want, I’ll just TAKE it” doesn’t tend to play out well for people in this society. I keep harking back to the part of Rodger’s manifesto, where he started to attempt to push girls off a balcony, and had the utter shit beaten out of him. A man who saw him return to his apartment that night was interviewed on the news, and he described Rogers as crying uncontrollably for a half-hour, snot running down his face, everything. It’s like it never occurred to him that there are consequences for unlawful behavior.

        142. Thank goodness his seed will find no purchase in anyone’s soil! Good riddance to that strain of DNA.

        143. I continue to maintain that what these people need are sex dolls. They are realistic, can be customized, don’t talk back. Hell, if they’re also looking to get their house cleaned, save yourself the trouble and hire someone a couple of hours a week. Since they’re not interested in what the woman has to say or think, why not a doll?
          http://www.fantasydoll.com.au/about-us/

        144. I have no desire for anyone’s wallet. I have my own job. I don’t need to trade sex for a dinner at Chipotle. It’s the fact that you’re not essential anymore that is the problem.

        145. A much larger percentage of these types will be domestic abusers, if they ever get the chance. If they throw these tantrums of this magnitude here, can you imagine when their chosen cumcatcher dares go against them on something? Teeth will be knocked out.

        146. If you got us, you wouldn’t be desperate enough to hang around here, that’s for sure.

        147. Incidentally, blind IQ tests would prove that a great many women are a great deal smarter than you.

        148. Eww…No. You’re completely off base. I’m a woman and I can tell you…Fricking try to control me and you’ll wake up wishing you were dead. It’s amazing how misguided and delusional people are. You know what you men want from a relationship? Trust, intimacy, caring etc…It’s what we want too. We want to be on equal footing. We don’t want to be controlled. Kinks are not the same either as they’re always done in a way that should be respectful to one’s wishes. What you’re describing is abusive……I don’t know any woman who wants that.

        149. Depends. Since we have established that “domestic violence” is only bad if you cause serious injuries (the reason why people say that womens violence doesn’t matter, since it’s a mere inconvenience) slapping women around should be okay. I mean, it’s not a serious injury, just an inconvenience. Right?

        150. You realize that those aren’t the only two choices available to you, right?

        151. Some women do – the unhealthy, mentally unstable women love that. If that’s what you guys are going for, carry on.

        152. “A guy just went on a killing spree because women didn’t like him, and you don’t think there’s a war on women?”
          This dipshit thinks that a single anecdote is sufficient to prove that there is a war on women. Lol.
          My friend, who was a guy, got stabbed to death. I guess there is a war on men too.

        153. Look at you you little faggot. You apologized on behalf of other people for not sufficiently sucking up to gashhavers.
          Go hang yourself you subhuman sack of shit.

        154. “I’m sorry but when this site writes blogs about taking away women’s rights and there are comments about legalizing rape and hate crimes against people for being gay, trans or female, there is no reason why women commenting is crossing any logical boundaries. ”
          You have no idea what logic means you dumb cunt. Stop flattering yourself.
          The owner of this blog makes the rules. We shall not reply to anyone lacking a Y chromosome.

        155. Hmm based on my comment and your reply I think it’s pretty clear which of us is more likely to kill ourselves.

        156. “The things spoken of on this site, if put into action in reality would be a violation of human rights.”
          No they aren’t.
          “Forcing girls into sexual servitude is seen in other nations by us as violation of human rights, forcing them to marry, mass rape, infanticide of baby girls,”
          None of these were considered to be desirable by any of the contributors to this website you moron.
          “keeping gay people from marrying, or from being in certain professions, that’s all discrimination and violation of the right to life liberty and happiness as well as a violation of human rights.”
          So what if it’s “discrimination” you imbecile? Do you even know what that word means?
          If anything, abortion is a violation of the right to life. Faggots CAN marry, just not people of their own sex, exactly like straight (i.e. normal) people.
          “You would be offended if someone called you feminine so why is it okay to call gay people “faggots” or women “bitches” but it’s not okay for men to be called essentially “less masculine”?”
          All are equally okay, we aren’t pussies like you are you wimp.

        157. “The reason incest is illegal is because usually incestuous relationships are through rape”
          ……………………
          I’m actually apalled that a homo sapiens could manage to produce such a pile of illogical refuse.
          Not only is that essentially a fictional statement (literally the first time I heard any one say this) but it does absolutely nothing to further your point.
          Even if incest “usually” involved rape, there would be no need to make it illegal since rape is a crime ALREADY.
          The second argument is also full retard. Yeah, siblings that conceive a child have a higher probability to produce a defective child. Featured word: CONCEIVE.
          Are you a nazi? Because that is eugenics to a T. I guess we should also imprison middle aged women who have sex. I mean after a certain age, women are even more likely to give birth to defective children than siblings. Try that. Lol.
          “it’s just two people loving each other”
          Have you ever been in a gay bar?
          2 people can “love” each other without defacing the millennia old institution of marriage. Are you implying that love is only possible in wedlock? What are you, some biblethumping bigot?

        158. I sincerely hope that one of your female family members get raped and dismemberer you despcable little cocksucker.
          Male sexuality isn’t something you can excise by social engineering you moronic little Marxist. Men will feel “entitled” to sex unless you chemically castrate them and feel bad about not getting it regardless of what you do.
          Furthermore, sex wasn’t the issue. Dude could’ve gotten laid with a hooker. He wanted a GIRLFRIEND, i.e. someone who loved him and cared about him, outside of his blood relatives. Is that too much to ask?
          I’ll do that with the next bitch I pump and dump. After I unceremoniously drop her like a hot potato, she will come knocking at my door, blubbering how she loves me and can’t go on without me. Now normally this would be a tough situation, but since you’ve taught me the truth, I’ll simply tell her she isn’t entitled to my love and commitment. Ditto with aging broads who are betting their decaying eggs on the successful man who merely uses them for sex. I mean hey, nobody is entitled to anybody’s time, right?
          Faggot.

        159. “It might suck a whole bunch in the way that you’re not getting sucked off but that doesn’t drive people to kill.”
          Yes it does you fucktard. The guy who committed this killing spree wrote 140+ pages saying as much. Lol.

        160. And I’d hazard a guess that if you buy into this crap you’re not the object of any woman’s fantasies right now.

        161. “Sorry ‘Tom’ but womens’ bodies don’t belong to men in the same way mens’ bodies don’t belong to women.”
          Of course mens’ bodies don’t belong to women. Only their labor and resources, right? 😉

        162. Are you rich and powerful? A star athlete? if your premise is right and you’re not in either of those categories (which you suggest you are on the outside looking in)) than you must be getting the bottom-feeders.
          Sixty of them. That’s impressive.

        163. The real question is that if Roosh and his fanboys really believe women are foul, vile creatures that are sluts and whoers with an inborn psychopathology, why are they so obsessed with chasing them?
          That’s just freaking weird.

        164. You’re wasting your breath Nagi. Roosh and his brood have major issues with women. The hate and contempt for women (and the self-contempt that suggests for the times they’ve been rejected by women) is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
          They are really warcking up some major bad karma.

        165. There are a hundred million men in the U.S. and you site two examples and suggest you’re not generalizing.
          Who put Manson in jail for life? A jury of all women? Who brought back a verdict of “guilty” for Ted Bundy, twelve angry men?
          Does the name Ann Ricahrds ring a bell? She was the governor of Texas and during her one term in office,Richards oversaw 50 executions during — and unlike Rick Perry, she never commuted a death sentence.
          I don’t remember her ever saying as she signed off on an execution, “What a shame. He’s hot.”
          You may think you have the facts; you just got one more opinion steeped in hot piss.

        166. “Women have been surviving without mens wallets”
          And the NASA put a man (see a tred here?) on the moon without rockets. Sure.
          “that you even think that men are paying for womens healthcare”
          Men and women pay the same amount of money into healthcare, but women take more out of it, thus, this is a net transfer of wealth from men to women. Idiot.
          “You do realize women work and provide for themselves, yeah?”
          No they don’t. Many of them are married to a man who makes more money than them and supports them and is FORCED to support them until after the marriage is dissolved. Then there is the racket of child support.
          The only possible argument you could make is that, now, more women occupy makework jobs in the government and even in the private sector where they are employed at gunpoint because muh EEOC. So no.
          “Women can and have run civilizations”
          Lol. No.
          “it’s well on it’s way to happening here in America.”
          America is a country that is decaying, you halfwit. If you followed trends even a little bit, you would know this.
          “it’s just you and people like you who seem to think everyone is salivating after your riches. They’re not.”
          Oh? Then you’re alright with reforming marriage law so that alimony is abolished, everyone keeps their own assets seperate (no stealing your husbands house) restricting welfare, equalizing family court and custody decisions, reducing big government and reinstating freedom of association?
          Yeah no.

        167. I really think you don’t have to worry about a woman looking at you to be her Knight Errant.

        168. Like Maya Angelou, Madam Curie, Rosa Parks, Helen Keller, Florence Nightingale, and Anne frank… .

        169. “Women are smarter than you, they can see a psychopath when they see one. ”
          >implying that being a psychopath is actually a negative to women.

        170. Sandra Day O’connor would chew you up and spit you out you pompous, pseudo-intellectual twit.

        171. Nothing more than a desire to be motherly and save men from themselves… That’s why those women do it. They will say, but I love him, so I must save him. I must be his sheath to cover his sharp blade.
          Not me though. I don’t play with that crap. I just tend to go for the depressed pathetic ones to get my motherly kicks…

        172. ^ Not even all the women who made a useful contribution to society. And I will be damned if I don’t before I die.

        173. I certainly hope sites that encourage their members to wish rape on females get shut down. Media attention like this might be the ticket….

        174. PS, I would have gladly been a girlfriend to a hottie like that, but he’s insane, so now that is a no go. Also, any signs of misogyny will make me back off too, but as the loving person I am, I try to provide the benefit of the doubt, because not all men are misogynistic pigs.

        175. Oh yeah “save men from themselves”. Do you actually believe the crap you spew? Yeah, women are really good at “saving men” which we can see by the number of women who run into burning buildings to save mens lives. … we can also see this by the number of divorces which are solely 72% initiated by women…. the women who “save men from themselves” when they poke holes in condoms and inseminate themselves to “save a man from himself”…….the Wendy Williams show demonstrates 98% of women “saving men from themselves” when they lie to trap men into fatherhood….. and the women who have always been so willing to give up a seat on a lifeboat for the protection and “saving” of men from drowning on the ship men built… why are there no women “saving men from themselves” when they drag a good man to court for being “too nice” to his wife right before she goes out to fuck a convict…… and if a woman was at all fucking interested in saving a man, she wouldn’t push for a marriage contract in the first place. So cut the bullshit bitch you’re not fooling anyone. You’re not a hero. You’re not motherly. You’re not saving anyone from anything. You’re a lying fraud and you can start by saving your breath. Women don’t give a fuck about anyone by themselves and everybody knows it. Save yourself the trouble next time.

        176. That’s what they believe. They stay because he is nice to them a lot, and other times he isn’t. They convince themselves they love them and they need to help them find a peace in their lives again.
          It’s the truth.
          I however, don’t take that crap.
          In a pack, there is an alpha male, and an alpha female, a beta male and beta female, and lastly the omega. You might as well say that I am the Alpha up in this bitch…
          My dog, she was female, but she thought she was a man.
          My question is, which one of you are actually the Omega?

        177. The world would be a better place without their “contributions.”

        178. Well, I guess you need to get off wifi, stop using bluetooth and never use a circular saw… Also, design your own programming, and find a different way to get the bugs out.

        179. Is the site owner controlling in order to prevent rational thought? Science calls that groupthink, and it is far from rational.

        180. They are trying to perpetuate the social illness known scientifically as groupthink.

        181. The owner of this site sounds like a DICKtator. Let’s see if the owner of this site is cool or a controlling authoritarian freak.

        182. Totally agree… It is strange that men do end up paying child support for children that they adopted. Wait, adopted? Ok, I can understand adopted… An adopted family can’t just give up a child, they can foster and give up, but adoption is permanent…
          So, don’t start helping the child…
          Also, Alimony is practically dead and exists in its original state in four states… Since women work now, it is hardly ever awarded.. I do agree men shouldn’t have to pay alimony unless they forced the woman not to work (i.e. to avoid paying a babysitter or preschool), not her giving it up for her own free will.
          And um, women should be buying gifts for the men they love too… Its a mutual relationship, and if you don’t express how important someone is to you, then your relationship is going nowhere fast.

        183. Actually, there are some laws that force men to pay child support for children that isn’t theirs, and that is because they assumed responsibility for the children and essentially adopted them, however, those men sometimes do not know that the child wasn’t theirs, which locks them into taking care of them. That exception needs to be made…
          There are men’s rights problems, but they do not need to take women’s rights down in order to get their problems solved… They have a dangerous black and white thinking like that.

        184. Actually, Alimony laws have altered significantly since the rise of feminism and the realizing of men’s rights. There are male rights advocates in the white house, just as there is female rights advocates. There are changes being made in order to balance the pendulum, but you don’t need to punish women for the pendulum swinging too far by relinquishing our rights…

        185. Yeah you do… You have to respect that fact that we are individuals and that your rights end at my nose. Libertarians like me don’t care what you do, as long as it doesn’t bring other’s harm. Like Ron Paul once said to the Left and Right, “Stop telling people what to do.”
          Now, if you want to express your gratitude for the person who is dedicating their life to you, than you should give gifts…
          As a woman, sex is considered a gift to the one we love, because well, unlike men, we are being penetrated, like the flesh the needle violates, you penetrate us. It is more sacred experience to women on average than it is to men.

        186. I don’t want your wallet. I want to work so I can buy you things. I pay for my dates whenever I am allowed… I notice when you forcefully to pay expressing that my time with you was valued to you, as time is money for all of us. It makes me appreciate you more.
          I do feel bad when women do use men… It’s not my place to perpetuate that hate, so I don’t. If I am not attracted, I give them a date, insist on paying and let them gently because I don’t want to add to these crazy websites.

        187. I am actually against obama care…
          Do the math, they want me to pay 140 bucks a month, the lowest option, to cover my medical… I can go to a place like Fremont Medical for 75 bucks a visit… I am young and healthy and am not likely to go to a Dr… And if I go within the time of paying the hospital deductible, for me to actually use all the money I paid to the insurance company, I have to have 12,000 dollar surgeries ever 4-5 yrs… Makes no sense.

        188. You may survive, but humanity wont.
          We cannot progress humanity without each other. However, only one man is needed to populate a planet due to our major reproductive differences, but that does not mean we should value you any less.

        189. My new neighbor thought me cute, even with no makeup. I was hand tilling my garden because we are new to owning a home and I don’t own the necessary tools. This man said to justify helping me, “It is wrong me being a man standing here and letting a woman do the work.”
          I responded, “There is no need to help, I can do this! and I can’t afford to pay you.”
          But really, I could only think negatively. This man wants to get into my pants, and I can’t let him help me because that is what he would expect.
          A month later, he asks me out… Sad that my thoughts were sort of fulfilled, but I don’t know if his intentions were true or just getting into my pants.
          This man isn’t my type… He smokes, and well, he doesn’t seem to take good care of himself, and as a woman, it’s important that he be with me for a long time. I told him, and hopefully not in a way to offend that it is his smoking that will keep me away..

        190. Yeah, that’s like after 15 employees, and you have to because women are also customers and thus you are thriving because of men and women… If you want your business to fail by limiting your target market, then by all means, because guess who highers the contractors? Mainly women as men tend to do it themselves.

        191. I pay taxes, I don’t litter, I clean up my messes… I don’t try to make more taxes for people… What are my other responsibilities?
          I can’t be drafted…. well, that’s because women and men have totally different reproductive abilities… 10 men can repopulate a nation while 10 women can repopulate a nation very very very very very slowly. So if all the women die in a draft, there is no more nation.
          So my responsibility to a nation during war time is this:
          Stay far away from combat, so the men who return can repopulate.
          Work on building the tools needed for war like the women of World War II. That’s hard labor women take over.
          all lives are in an upheaval during a war, which is best avoided through diplomacy.

        192. And his mental defect was feed by manosphere sites like this, further contorting his perception of reality.

        193. The guy who committed these murders was a misogynist who has been taught by various pick up artist and basic bitch boys like yourself that not getting laid = end of the world. So no, Incel and not getting laid doesn’t actually drive people to kill, people brainwashing entire generations of men in media and society is what puts this sort of pollutive thinking into their heads. Websites like this one perpetuate that. His 140+ pages explained his hate of women and feeling as if he were owed someones junk. Gee, I wonder where he could have possibly learned that?

        194. I was gonna bother replying to all of your crazy points but they are in fact, crazy so here’s a pic and please note that i’m laughing at your crazy and so are these women you don’t have a hope in hell of getting. Have a lovely day.

        195. The next ‘bitch you pump and dump’ doesn’t actually count as the next bitch you pump and dump if she’s a myth, kind of like how incels, and sane MRA’s are a myth. But nice fantasy you’ve got going there, stud.

        196. They don’t have actual numbers. I honestly believe that these people have extreme social anxiety disorder which makes sense, but since they generally abhor any and all things to do with personal responsibility and psychology, they came up with a name for it and tacked on sex because they legitimately think getting their dicks wet will solve the issue.
          Personally I don’t understand how someone can glorify a single part of a human being whilst tearing down both it and everything else about them. They go on about whores and sluts fucking everyone but them and how they hate women and blame them for their social anxiety when these women know nothing of these men. I saw one blaming a liberal agenda somehow which was just a bullet train to crazytown.
          They refuse to grasp a basic concept about human beings and instead go to an extreme like our genius Gu up there. Saying to one of these people that they are not entitled to sex or relationships gets them frothing at the mouth and spouting off lists of things that are neither connected or relevant to the topic at hand about how they just know women do this that and the third. It’s enough to make me laugh but at the same time kind of dispair for people who are genuinely co-signing this shit.
          If the majority of people, mental health problems included btw) can grasp that someone saying that they aren’t entitled to sex and relationships ISN’T them saying they can’t have it hahahaha’ then how don’t these self professed incels turn it into ‘OMG THE FEMINIST LIBERAL AGENDA IS OUT TO GET ME WAH’? Like…where’s the connect there? When I hear those words I take them to mean that ‘hey, sure you’d like a relationship with that fine piece of stuff over there and sure you’d like to sit on Brad Pitt’s face for a few hours but guess what, those are not things owed you because you’re you. Brad Pitt and nameless dude don’t know you and even if they did, they have the choice to acknowledge you or not. and if they don’t, well hey, that kind of sucks but guess what? There’s billions of people on the planet and this might keep happening but if you idk, learn that rejection isn’t the end of the world, realize that people aren’t just looking to hook up with you, nor should they be readily available etc or even give you explanations as to why they’re not interested.
          That girlfriends and the arguments for them regarding incel is genuinely the flimsiness and most contradiction argument ever. IT’S NOT ABOUT SEX! they whine, as they scream about legalizing prostitution. it’s like, so let me get this straight. The government should help you get girlfriends cause that’s what you want which would remove the autonomy from women along with their basic choices because it’s not about sex which would make the whole gov getting involved about sex and then you want hookers but previously didn’t just want to go pay for it? lolol. you draw the line at breaking the law by getting a hooker but not changing it so you’re in effect taking away womens choices? Yeah, no. Incel is a made up thing with a shitty soap box to start with and will never be taken seriously because it’s not a thing. social anxiety? a thing. depression? totally a thing. feeling lonely? that’s a thing too. wanting sex? that’s also a thing. being involuntarily celibate would involve genital mutilation and i’m sure most of these dudes have their dicks intact. They should probably call it ‘Vocel’ because they’re not getting sexy times of their own volition whilst advocating what essentially boils down to rape if you’re trying to get the gov to compel women to enter programs with the express purpose of getting you laid.

        197. stfu cunt. You don’t even know who owns the site let alone let alone “what he sounds like”. Showing up where nobody wants you and getting your cunt kicked in doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with anyone else. Just how fucked up are you to think trespassing gives you a right to call the land owner a “controlling authoritarian freak”. You’re a trespassing piece of shit and deserve to get punched in the vagina. Of course that’s why you’re here but even though you are hoping for dick, you still won’t get any. Try being a lovely person for a change.

        198. No need to make rape legal. Women are much too horny to ever feel the need to “rape” one. You can’t rape the willing.

        199. Be funny how your stupid fucking head would explode if a hung dude typed something you didn’t like. You would snap in half because “OMG THERE IS NO WAY HE HAS A BIG DICK NO WAY. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT!!!!! IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!! HIS DICK MUST BE SMALL OR I WILL DIE!!!!! ALL MEN WHO TYPE STUFF I DONT LIKE OR AGREE WITH HAVE SMALL DICKS!!!! ALL OF THEM!!! IT”S IMPOSSIBLE THAT THEY HAVE BIG COCKS!!!!!! I TELL YOU!!! PLEASE SHOVE A COCK DOWN MY THROAT BEFORE I START CRYING!!! AND PUT ANOTHER IN MY ASS!!! “
          – Linda Hulsey-Madden 2014
          Delusional Whore

        200. It’s easy. We place an ad on craigslist for 19 to 21 year old hot chicks only and offer to purchase an egg.. then pay another vagina to carry it. It’s called “surrogacy” and women are so desperate, they will do ANYTHING to pay off their credit card debts in hopes to buy another pair of shoes. Infinitely cheaper than a wife and you get no say over the kids. You are already no more than a sperm depository. Accept it. And judging by your picture.. you’re not even that.

        201. That lion isn’t scared because he could fist her lion vagina and tear her stinking snatch inside out. He is annoyed because the cunt has no values or basic courtesies, and she has never tried being lovely to be around. All she is do is be a cunt. Because women are never cunts to themselves.

        202. I think the crown jewel of their long list of pathologies has to be the constant circle-jerking they do. Women who wear make up are whores. Women who do not wear make up are close-clipped dykes. Women who don’t work are just mooching off of men. Women who do work are haughty cunts. I caught the ire of HarryParatestes, or whoever he is, because my husband served in Iraq. He calls women a drain on society with their child support and welfare, and yet, when I told him that I have four part-time jobs (I do this on purpose so I can arrange my schedules around my young children and their activities), he calls me a loser for having four part-time jobs, and then accuses me of being a mindless corporate shill (though I am an independent contract and don’t work for a single corporation), and a mindless taxpayer (which tells me that he is pretty darned underemployed, if at all). They glorify the “rules” of this page, and yet in the same breath, he is blasting me because I am a mindless rule-follower.
          My point is that you cannot win with these people, and that’s by design. Over and over on this thread, the second they cannot argue back against facts, it goes straight to name-calling and threats. He hopes my husband gets PTSD and shoots himself in front of me. He hopes my children are murdered in front of me. He would love to smash my teeth out as I kneel before him.
          Plain and simple, I really think these guys are hopeless. I’m sure their families are alarmed, like Rodger’s were, for years. How can you fix someone like this? Psychotropic drugs? You can’t, since they don’t want help.
          Elliott Rodger stated in his manifesto that women should be sent to concentration camps and exterminated. I don’t feel that most of these guys are exactly on a different page.
          In the past, men like this would have either holed up on some mountaintop with a Coon dog and a rocking chair. But now they have the Internet to help them find each other and become emboldened with the idea that more of them feel the way they do than there actually are. The poor reasoning skills are particularly pronounced. Substandard IQs? After all, Rodger took many college classes, but completed almost none of them…thoughts? I greatly enjoyed yours!

        203. Absolutely no way through their tangled thinking. They are mentally ill, and missing an essential chip. None of their scenarios make sense. Women in concentration camps? Except for the millions of men in this country alone who would beat them up, as Elliott was when he attempted to push those girls over a balcony at a party, if they tried. Really pie-in-the-sky plans with zero probability of success.

        204. They don’t care if the women care, because to them, women are objects. And when they’re past their prime, they are to be discarded, in any case. All they want is the hole and someone to do the laundry.

        205. His business is keeping this line of thinking alive. He has two books, for starters. But I also think that perhaps he likes the adoration of his minions here. It’s not the adoration of a woman, but it’s definitely positive reinforcement.
          I am surprised as many of our comments remain up, actually, even as numerous alpha males whine like children for him to take down our writings. This leads me to believe that Roosh is smarter than I originally gave him credit for. He knows exactly what’s going on.

        206. Firstly, the premise of our discussion is that men can survive without women. Your solution still involves women. Therefore, it just reinforces my point that arguing that men don’t need women is as silly as saying women don’t need men.
          And you are right I’m not even that. I feel sorry for you “guest”. You’re such a coward that you don’t even use your own name. You also don’t have a picture. This indicates that you are ashamed of yourself. You’re afraid at the thought that someone you know might see the things that you see on this sight and tell other people what a jackass you are.
          By putting women down, you thing you’re part of a boy’s club. You’re too blind to see that every man on this group would abandon these concepts for a quick piece of ass. It’s like young boys who throw rocks at girls when they have a crush on them. And if you hate women so much, if you truly feel that way, why don’t you try out the alternative?

        207. Well, that’s scary because clearly it wasn’t Asperger’s that caused this kid to fly off the wall… He had a personality disorder, and personality disorders are fostered by external factors…. like frequently visiting places similar to that of PUAhate and being a spoiled rich kid.

        208. Well, I think it is more of a personality disorder than a chemical imbalance, and with personality disorders, they are formed from external influences… To me it is lack of historical education, or an insistence that history is not factual though there are many witnesses…

        209. You are disobeying the sites rules by talking to me. I can get laid anytime, but I don’t want an asshole like you in my pristine vagina.

        210. You sound like a typical anglobitch that need be put in her place. Go post your crap on Jezebel or something.

        211. “You know you want it.”
          Actually, no, i really don’t. If some pathetic loser likes being dominated a woman, fine, that’s his business.
          But don’t ever assume that every man is like that. I’d crush your teeth if you’d even try to pull off that shit with me.

        212. You women are adorable when you act tough.
          “Fricking try to control me and you’ll wake up wishing you were dead.”
          Damn, i’m terrified, lol.

        213. I’m not. As a matter of fact i tend to avoid women when possible. I despise women, because they ARE foul, vile creatures that wouldn’t even exist in a sane universe.

        214. All of those names mean absolutely nothing, because all of those women were solely concerned by small, irrelevant issues, and didn’t affected the society by large in any meaningful way.
          Nice try though.

        215. You can’t make an useful contribution to society, because you’re woman. Try to accept your fate.

        216. …And your response is a model of ignorance.
          Madam Curie did pioneeering work on radiation and coined the term “radioactivity”; she also, seperately or jointly,published 32 scientific paperds, one which established that radiation could destroy cancer cells.
          Rosa Parks was a seminal force in ushering in the civil rights movement and consequently putting an end to the odious “seperate but equal laws:.
          Florence Nightingale is considered the founder of modern nursing and was the force behind medical care reform in the United Kingdom, which paved the way for equal treatment despite class demarcations.
          Maya Angelou served on two presidential commitees, won a nobel prize, and was awarded 50 honorary doctorates for her civil rights work and literary accomplishments.
          Anne Frank, in 1999 was considered by Time Magazine as one of the most influential figures of the 20th century, and Heln Keller, despite deaf and blind weas an activist who founded the Helen Keller International (HKI) organization. This organization which is devoted to research in vision, health and nutrition. In 1920 she helped to found theAmerican Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
          Given “meaning” in your life is probably calculated by how many phone numbers you can collect at some club, I can see why you would consider these women as failing to have influenced society in any meaning ful way.

        217. That’s not weird; it’s just your garden variety sick. By the way, the fact that they do exist in YOUR world suggests it is an insane one.

        218. I think it boils down to change and a total disregard for it from these guys. For a very long time society has enforced the patriarchal hierarchy with women souly stuck on the
          bottom rung for various ridiculous reasoning’s.
          You know the ones, women aren’t as smart or strong as men. Women need to defer to men for this that and the third, women are ignorant/heretical/insane for daring to speak before men, walk before them, showcase that her mind is her own etc and these boys don’t like it. Not to mention throughout human history that they as a group have dictated how to court ladies, disdain the ones who were too free with her affections in the light of day whilst seeing no problem with fucking them in flaunting them in front of their wives and friends etc etc. the list goes on but now that sort of things isn’t being tolerated any longer. It’s no longer the woman’s job ( and let’s be honest, it never was) to sit idly by while her significant other goes to work. She’s off to work too. She’s choosing to have children or not or just plain old have sex and enjoy it the very same way men have been enjoying it without labels being smacked on to their promiscuous ways.
          They want things how they were in Mad Men and various other sexist eras. Note how the OP said if Rodgers had had a Thai wife, he wouldn’t have went off? As if Thai women are docile, ready to fuck on command and don’t have standards or entitled to options. I couldn’t EVEN with that particular bit of filth he wrote. If anything it was proof positive that these men don’t hate women exclusively, they hate that they have a voice and use it. They hate that women can say no and tell them to fuck off. They can’t stand that them forcing themselves on someone is considered rape and PUNISHABLE. I say that in all caps because rape has always been a thing and what men have been doing to women and other men for years has been rape when the wife didn’t want sex but the man felt she needed to put out because wifely duties? When you had to convince the girl to say yes when she originally said nope, that’s rape too. All the various ways in which men have been cohersing women into sex has been rape and now they’re being called out loudly and at great length and being called to the table for it. Being labled for it, being shunned for it and they’re pissed about that. They want a return to the docile grin and bear it women while they go and do whatever they want instead of what things are now, where we call bullshit on all their various fuckeries.
          They’re exercising their rights and daring to have standards for what they want and will tolerate and these boys don’t like that so much. They don’t like that the woman has a say
          and that women in small or large groups can and have been louder than any man screaming about his various injustices. They somehow think that women wanting a voice and to make up their own minds about things is somehow in some way about taking away their rights which is where the
          whole MRA thing comes in. Notice how they don’t set up seminars for male victims of rape or try to open crisis centers that support male victims of not only rape but domestic abuse or child abuse or anything like that? Notice how somehow their rights are being infringed upon because women want rights? Note how their focus is dismantling feminism which is ironic because that’s all inclusive rights for everybody, including men women and children. note how they focus on false rape accusations which are devastating yes, but a small fraction of actual rape accusations. like they can’t be bothered with both and the aforementioned crisis centers for rapes that are not false? Note all the screaming about alimony and child support these ‘bitches’ keep stealing from them but not a peep about staring up advocacy groups for those scenarios that actually happen?
          Notice how both these men and guys who identify as ‘incel’ scream about feminism without an inkling to what it actually means? I believe it’s due to the root word being ‘feminine’
          and them being perpetually stuck in that in-between age of 7 and 11 of ‘I hate girls’ never mind that women birthed them into the world. Never mind that there are more single mothers than single fathers who raise little boys and girls and make it work only for their sons to turn around and start spouting garbage about single mothers while conveniently forgetting that it was their deadbeat chromosome
          sharing comrades who left like it wasn’t their job to also help with the rearing of children.
          Another thing that has stuck out for me with these sort of men is their eternal preoccupation with Alpha, Beta Omega dynamics. Like they’re all wolf royalty and stuck in a
          hunter/gatherer society where the women are still seen as weak, not trained in the art of fighting for dominance and food and only worthwhile enough to screw and be made to clean things up. Forgetting that cavemen haven’t been a thing for billions of years and that women aren’t objects to be knocked out with a club and dragged off to do their bidding. It’s also interesting to note that within all this wolf talk, they like to throw out hypergamy as some catch-all to how horrible women are as if patriarchy had zero to do with this practice or how it originated or that it goes both ways.
          I despair of any of these men actually sitting down and logically going over their beliefs and seeing the glaring red flags of all their unsolicited hate speech towards the women they purportedly hate cause of their whore status whilst simultaneously striving for said whores by becoming the best alpha to ever alpha. Leaving out the fact that alphas (
          since they think they’re gd wolves, omg) lead and provide and are the example to be set, not whiney bitch boys who scream insults like ‘faggot’ and ‘mangina’ at people like that’ll shut them down. Low IQ might be a factor but it
          certainly isn’t causation of this attitude. This is just years of having it one way and living in a time where it’s gradually turning another way, and they don’t like it. A marginalized group getting the same rights as them is seen as not
          progress, but a threat to whatever throne bullshit they seem to think they belong on which is where the attacks on feminism come from as well as this new declaration
          that incel is a thing. What’s even more interesting is that some of these incel men claim that incel is only a thing that happens to males which is so laughably ridiculous, I might pull something. Lets just imagine that being involuntarily celibate was a thing minus genital mutilation. Wouldn’t women being unable to get sex from men or women ( if they’re lesbian or pansexual etc) be a thing then? Wouldn’t being love-shy affect women too since the point ( according to some of them. ) is getting a relationship which is somehow the same thing as sex ( to them)? They say no but want to be taken seriously. Being shy about social activities is for both genders. Not being able to get sex is a thing both genders experience, it’s simply that one of the genders hasn’t been told and had it ground into them that nice guys finish with the hottest girl. Or just whatever girl. Women haven’t been told to just be themselves and they’ll get the girl. That their geekiness will inherit the earth of girls. That they deserve a girl regardless of being a
          creep or other personal problems. That improving themselves in some way WINS them the girl and these boys don’t even want to touch THAT with a ten foot pole. I bet they see this and either delete or start frothing at the mouth from all this truth and yet they’re masculine
          men. They’re DOMINATE men for going on about whores and sluts and smelly vaginas and feminazis and how their crazy is justifiable.
          Anyway, I think you’re right. These guys are going to continue to be up their own asses about this. Hopefully at least one of them learns something and changes their ways. That’s all I can really hope for. It was good reading your take on the matter too! I srsly despaired of seeing anything
          intelligent in these comments and you and a few others have been refreshing. 🙂

        219. Very good comment. The other night, while I was walking the dog, I was wondering, say, in a parallel universe, there WAS a society as they dream of? There are some practical issues that I think doom it, but for the sake of argument:
          1. It has been stated numerous times on this thread that women are only good at their peak, from 16-21. After that, they want to throw them over and get a new fuck toy. My questions are:
          a. What happens to those women once they are tossed aside as “dried up” and ugly? If they were the ideal woman, they would not have been getting educated, so how will they support themselves? These guys clearly do not want pay taxes or welfare, so they would have to do something to eat and survive. What would this uneducated half of the country do?
          b. Children from these unions. These guys consider paying child support an insult. So, what of the children created from these unions? Even using birth control, there is a failure rate. Will there be forced abortions? If these children are born, will they be thrown into the streets with the mother, once they are past their prime? Or would the male raise them and hire someone to do so? Would they only keep the boys, or the lowly girls, as well? If they are thrown out on the streets, would we then have a beggar caste, as in India? If that sight displeased the males, would they exterminate them?
          c. Are there jobs that women would be approved for? Since they would most likely not include health care, how would women obtain medical treatment, since half of a population allowed to become ill will lead to a pandemic that will inevitably also kill men, as well, so it does have to be dealt with.
          d. There would have to be different legal systems for the sexes. Clearly, the men would be able to abuse/kill women at will, but what about women who rebel? What would be the system for dealing with them?
          e. What would be done about the 11% of humans who are homosexual? How would they be dealt with?
          f. Would there be any system of governance? It has already been said on here that the military is crap, so once this system takes effect, would there be anyone to defend the country’s interests, or would illegals be allowed to enter at will, and other groups be able to walk in whenever they pleased? What if there were attacking women’s rights groups from the outside, and they had better weapons than just guns? How would security be handled?
          g. What about the religious population in this country? Many religions dictate that marriage precludes sex. Would those religions be outlawed? If so, where would the men from those groups be relocated to? In fact where would everyone who didn’t agree be relocated to?
          h. Who would be part of the bureaucracy put in place to secure resources, such as oil, natural gas, etc., from places outside of the country? Would there be diplomats? Would they negotiate with women from other countries, if that’s what was sent to them?
          i. Would there be the concept of rape, and if so, how would it be punished? What if one man raped the “woman” of another man?
          j. What system of education would there be for the children not yet thrown out on the street, and who would fund it?
          k. Without taxes, how would you maintain the roads, test for water quality, keep bridges structurally sound, etc.? These things are very expensive, so where would the funds come from?
          l. What kinds of men would be accepted into the country, because obviously, most men here value their women, love their daughters, don’t have a problem with the right to vote, even support equal pay. How do you propose to move these men out when they outnumber you by at least 1,000 to one? Would you be fine with having just, say, Montana? If so, the questions above still apply, though it would be a more manageable area to defend.
          m. Since you all don’t like rules, and have said so, would it be each man for himself? Obviously, guns would have to be legal. Is that how you would solve petty theft? What would be the system in place to make sure, at the very least, nobody takes your stuff? Or would it be utterly lawless?
          n. Would people from the country around you be allowed to pass through your “country?” Or would they have to go around? What about air travel? How would you monitor and enforce your airspace without a military?
          Anymore questions out there? What other ways do you feel this type of society would be impossible to maintain?

        220. I honestly don’t think they’ve thought of the logistics of this particular ‘utopia’ they envision, you know? Kind of how people who scream about seceding from the united states don’t think about the military institutions and federal funds and infrastructure that belongs to the government and would be taken away if say, Texas got its wish. As a matter of fact, to most of the question you asked, I’m sure ‘Kill them’ would be the answer you received which is just a set up for a really shitty retelling of Thunderdome without Tina Turners epic hair and chain-mail outfit. lol.
          Overall the society would be impossible to maintain because there is the arrogance of assuming that people would just fall in line with this (minus the outliers you’d get automatically if this were ever proposed.) People have been resisting way too long in various ways for this to ever come to frution or be executed with any finesse or logic. Example: they already assume that the opposite sex are dimwitted shells only good for a handful of things. That’s their first mistake. The second is that they don’t even understand their own caste system (Alpha fuckery) So in-fighting would tear down the system way before it even became something on paper because Bob thinks he’s the supreme alpha while Paul swears it’s him and that Bob is a mangina or something stupid.
          Take a look at history. Boys have been starting wars with each other over less that inferred insults, never mind outright spoken ones. They’d all end up killing each other and while that’s going on The women made to serve would join in on things and the people who aren’t into this basic fuckery would in my opinion, set things to rights.
          it also wouldn’t work, outside the above because again, men seem to think women are some other species and idiots, forgetting that women have had a hand in damn near everything since the dawn of time. Inventing, discovering things, building, imagining, giving birth, raising children, you name it. Literally if boys of this mentality got their way and set up shop like cavemen, there’d literally be no progress in the world and i think they’re too stupid to realize that.

        221. Also important would be the location of this utopia. Say, for the sake of argument, they did get Montana (I’m not picking on Montana, it’s gorgeous, but for the sake of argument), what woman in their right mind, knowing the philosophy of the males there, would live there? I can think of a few, actually: nice, skinny drug addicts that could swoop in, steal the mark blind, then leave, knowing that there would either be no law enforcement in utopia, and that once they crossed out of state lines, no agency outside of utopia would aid in capture or prosecution of said criminal, because their philosophies directly violate the human rights laws in the greater US. So, Montana’s out. Maybe an island would work. That way, they could easier monitor their borders, and it would be more difficult for women to escape. Of course, it would be more difficult for the crack hos to get there in the first place–unless they offered free transportation there. But then the economy remains a question. How do they afford that transportation? Fuel? If they can’t grow food staples on their island, who will trade with them, or how will they afford greatly inflated food prices due to shipping (look at Hawaii and their $6/gal milk, for instance). If they have nothing for the male populace to make money from, they also won’t be able to import medical personnel, or pay for treatment or medications–since there will be, once again, no tax base. What will their monetary unit be? And what banking system will they set up? They can’t use US Dollars, because as soon as they set sail, the overwhelming public pressure, and greater consumer base size will see to it that not only will they be thrown off the dollar, but that any corporation that goes into there to set up shop will be boycotted here. So, they can forget about having an existing financial institution come in, at least from the US.
          The medical infrastructure is particularly concerning, since it’s very expensive to get off the ground in the first place. I would imagine there are a few physicians that feel this way, and would go, just out of principle, or maybe some retired ones. But what about high-tech diagnostic equipment and trauma care? In other smaller nations, it’s a given that one would have to be airlifted to a more hi-tech facility. Unless this was done through utter charity of a neighboring nation (which they should not accept, because it smacks of socialism and welfare), or unless they piggybacked on another nation’s currency system (which couldn’t happen because who would ally with them? Not Dubai–these folks are vehemently anti-Muslim, so the irony is that even though they have an almost identical view on women as many conservative Islamic countries, they could never come to an agreement with any of them), how would they pay for these transports?
          Not only food, but they’d also have to import clothing, household goods, construction materials, personal products, and they’d demand internet, so that infrastructure, along with roads, bridges, and utilities, would all have to be constructed. Unless the Koch Brothers themselves underwrote this utopia, I just don’t understand how it would work.
          They could have that island that the US tested nukes on. I’m sure it’s safe by now.

        222. Not to mention that no matter how closed off they desired to be, in this day and age, it wouldn’t be long before Amnesty International would be all over them, the press would be atrocious, and the sanctions would begin almost immediately.

        223. You are just jealous because you cant take it like a man from a woman, bitch.

        224. ~ “we’re all, first and foremost, human beings.” ~ Hopefully you will be raped and butchered by some black asss human being and you can love, bless and forgive him/them while it is happening. Hopefully you will be found by your children.

      2. That’s not true at all. I don’t want to fuck just anyone, I never have wanted to simply fuck someone, and certainly no one famous. This guy was noticeably insecure, and would have been high maintenance. I would have rejected him too, because I’m disabled and trying to gain independence, I wouldn’t be able to carry a blatant loser like him as well.

        1. He could be covered in those dopey shades and nobody would want him. Dig those theatrical arm swings, by the way.

        2. They hate him because he exposed their pathology to the light of day to most unsuspecting people.

        3. Well, you know, as a female, I guess the disdain I am feeling towards you is made up?
          My little niece feels the same way.. She’s a girl.

        4. Dude is so full of himself that even if there was a girl who liked him, he couldn’t fit her into his already full cup.

      3. But this page totally isn’t a misogynist hate group designed to degrade women.

        1. Looks like a farm lost its cow. Moooo. You are ugly as fuck. You don’t deserve an opinion here.

        2. And yet, I don’t need help to get a girlfriend and you do.
          Weird.

        3. I don’t think all the help in the world would land him a willing woman… he’d have to pay for a pro (assuming he can afford it… probably living in his mommy’s basement).

        4. I know I’m awesome. Now kindly drag your knuckles away… you’re boring me now.

        5. Nobody needs help to get a girlfriend. Getting a girlfriend is a hell of a lot easier than getting RID of one. It’s like trying to get the camel out of the tent. Tell a woman to fuck off and get lost and she won’t leave. So stop pretending “getting a girlfriend” is difficult. A girlfriend is just some stupid chick who thinks an unmarried man should be interested not banging other chicks and paying for everything. What fucking IDIOT would ever sign up for that?

        6. The same idiots who use this site. That’s what this site is about.

        7. A camel out of the tent, reminds me of something important…
          “It is harder to get a rich man into heaven than it is to get a camel pass through the eye of a needle…”
          Shall we consider pretentious men like this rich? They will not find heaven in life, but hell in life. Matter of their perceptions.

      4. Modern Western women are turned on by any male that chooses to go against the “rules” of society and is perceived as a bad boy. Its truly immature and juvenile but it stems from their parents. They spend their entire adolecense and young adulthood rebelling against their parents and it excites them more than anything. Even the most Alpha-est of men will turn these women off if he obeys too many of society’s rules and conforms too much. They have no sense of the greater good and only care about what makes their coochies tingle and they dont even know that these are just pathologies caused by parents trying to raise them into respectable WOMEN. Mass murderers, rapists, rappers, rock “stars”, drug addicts, motorcycles, tattoos, foreigners, etc. If its taboo it turns them on.
        The best way to raise a modern western “woman” is to let her do what she wants without trying to conform her. She will learn for herself what is right and wrong and not rebel against your teachings.

      5. YOU created the system and supported it… Make some money with it and you’ll get women too, then…

      6. She what you need to do is tell that bitch to get on her knees and suck your dick. To me that’s where they belong. On their mother fuckin knees so that if they get out of line you can choke them with the gift god gave you. If a bitch don’t want to suck my dick then she can gtfo. After I tear her ass up that is. You don’t wanna suck it imma fuck u in the ass plain and simple. That how you teach these cunts who’s the mother fuckin boss cause bitches need the law laid down for them. They are to stupid to do it for them selves. I guarantee you drop the hammer on a bitches ass hole they will not dare question you when you demand a good dick suckin. People it goes back the the basics. We have to stop letting the cunts think they are our equals. They have never been equals. Get them back on their god damned knees and in the kitchen bc when I come home dinner had fucking better be ready and your mouth better be ready to do some suckin.

        1. I’ll just bet your social calendar is packed, you magnificent gentleman, you!

        2. Your preoccupation with putting them hammer down on that ass suggests you might be into dudes. Maybe you can meet a nice alpha gentleman on this board you frequent.

      7. And yet here you are: sitting at this guy’s feet, attempting to learn how to use these disgusting mammals to get off.

      8. You hit the nail in the head. Women exists solely for sex and procreation. In the future and with the advancement in the artificial womb technology women won’t be needed anymore even for procreation -they’ll become totally useless and irrelevant, something they’ve always been.
        The future doesn’t look good for womynkind, but then, they brought it upon themselves.

    2. This Memorial Day, we remember American servicemen who gave their lives so America’s feminists may live. the same feminists would find many of those men boring and undateable.
      I wonder, would they have found Audie Murphy alpha enough for their gina tingles? Audie was 5 foot 5 inches and 100 percent badass.
      http://www.badassoftheweek.com/murphy.html

      1. American women cheat on deployed servicemen a lot. While the serviceman is in harm’s way, his wife is banging everything with a dick then when she discovers unhaaaapiness, the femcunt-friendly anti-family courts steal his children, steal his wages and steal his pension. He returns from duty to a wrecked home, tiny income and alienated kids. His life is gone, he commits suicide and the feminist mainstreet media blames PTSD. It’s not PTSD, it’s Post Cuntress Stress Disorder (PCSD).

        1. I am honestly amazed that when what you just described happens these men don’t go on killing rampages like Elliot Rodger did. I know I would. A man with nothing to lose is dangerous.
          Sadly, the only way to bring light to the issue would require a military version of Elliot Rodger. At least that is the message I get from the mainstream media. What a sick world we live in.

        2. Before you get your panties in a bunch over the stay at home “wives” – just note that those same cuckolded servicemen that you are lamenting are DOING THE SAME THING while they are overseas. The respect for monogamy does NOT exist. Being married while in the military is just the stupidest thing ever. I don’t know a single marriage that survived.

        3. Exactly. Thanks for pointing this out. The serviceman, nor woman in the relationship respect monogamy. I had a few male friends from HS go into the military. The ones who were in relationships would cheat with ease. They would tell me and boast about it. I mean, I cant blame them. who the fuck can stay without sex for longer than a few months? Like veteran said, married while in the military is fucking retarded. I dont believe in monogamy anymore and with good reason.

        4. Guess there was good reason that Rome prevented men in the army from marrying

        5. True and sad. Some even do porn, while the husband is away. When hypergamy and female sexuality is without constraints you simply cannot marry 95% of women nowadays and go on a tour. Very few women are like that and it takes a Game-aware psychologist to recognize such a woman.

        6. Vets have discipline and respect for killing, some having gone through traumas abroad. They don’t want to bring those things home. Most choose to aim their guns at themselves if they cannot deal with life. At least they don’t go out on a rampage and inflict more pain. Women may find serial killers sexy, as evolutionary psychology is brutal, but we DO have to rise above just animalistic desires. Of course nowadays being the only traditionally pure one in a sea of debauchery does not make much sense either….

        7. Let me get this straight. You say that you know that you would go on a killing rampage if you were in that situation but then you follow that up by saying “What a sick world we live in.”?
          Ok.

        8. You’re amazed because you don’t understand the mindset of a male that masculine.
          One of my team-members came back to find his wife pregnant. You know what he did? He didn’t cry like a little bitch….Within two weeks after getting back he’d gotten with three other girls.

        9. Yeah you’re starting to get it now. Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. The passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue. Cheating military wives should be dragged into the street and shot.

        10. that’s patently untrue. surely you can be more imaginative than an arbitrary universal abstraction.

        11. I don’t know, man, about females finding serial killers sexy. After reading some of these comments, I tried it at the bar last night, telling this above average girl I was a serial killer. She just made an excuse and left quickly with her average looking friend. Gotta find a better game.

        12. Haha! Of course most women have enough common sense to run away from a serial killer or anyone who even says he is one. It may excite quite a few on an instinctive level, but that is too much Dark Triad for the wide majority of women!
          Dark Triad characteristics are generally somewhat attractive to women, but the degree varies strongly from woman to woman. In a way the attractiveness of a Serial Killer is highly connected to Fame Game. Either way – I would not recommend anyone trying that out in real life. Some Asshole Game or straight Dominant Alpha Game is enough for the majority of girls.
          Besides – in our current budding Police State system those kind of jokes can easily backfire.

        13. Careful there. The military split the atom, broke the sound barrier, and catapulted men into fucking space — using some of the most brilliant minds in history. All male.

        14. HA HA HA!!! The military did all this huh? Scientists, even Nazi scientists had nothing to do with it huh? Just because some scientist was “employed” by the military does not equal some schmuck from East Bumble walking in and signing up to be a government/army owned slave. As far as space is concerned I thought NASA had something to do with that. Who cares! (Draws sword – Yeeeyaaahh!!! – that ugly potato sitting on MGTOW.COM shoulders plops on the floor.) AAAHH!!! One less imbecille to muddy the gene pool! One less government worshiping idiott to vote for lesser men!

        15. Before you get your pantyliner in a bunch:
          Woman cheats, she gets his children, his house, his paycheck, his retirement, his dignity, his freedom, etc.
          Man cheats, she gets his children, his house, his paycheck, his retirement, his dignity, his freedom, etc.

        16. I have to admit, some of the dumbest guys I know got into the military, maybe their standards were different back-in-the-day.

        17. And I know serviceman who cheat a ton on their spouses. Why not simply recognize that some people are selfish cheaters, men and women.

        18. Because that would shatter their very fragile world view that they are somehow better than others because they learned how to hide their small penises and socially inept behavior behind false masculinity.

        19. he didn’t say intelligent. he said unimaginitive. stupidity is not a lack of creativity.

        20. how one person up-voted this response is beyond me, especially in this community. that was a truly imaginitive response. i would thank you for showing me how wrong i am, but i’ve lost my head.

        21. At 2:07 I notice a rainbow bar on his uniform??? Served in San Francisco???

        22. Perhaps you should direct your energy to the people who send the military to far away places -NOT FOR ANYONE’S RIGHTS- as they have so well propogandized but to gain some financial benefit. Perhaps on that political front, you would find your soul mate. That is where the women are, fighting to save YOUR lives.

        23. This is a topic that needs light. Monogamy. Are humans really monogamous? Or do they try to do this because of social norms?

        24. How would we know? So many times ideas have been stolen from other people. Especially when those people do not have any power in society as Women and People of Color have had in America for most of its history.

        25. It’s not enough to say that, you ignorant fuck. You have to prove why. You can’t prove virginity, because $60 can buy you a the whore of your choice who will take care of that…. and the accusation of being “deranged” requires you to fully deconstruct his point with evidence. Anytime you’re ready.

        26. Stupid ungrateful cunt. WWII and every war before it was so you could be free. Teenage boys by the millions on boats knowing they were going to be riddled with bullets the second the doors opened…. and without them, you would be speaking fucking German right now and you can kiss your afternoon at Starbucks goodbye, you worthless piece of shit.

        27. Or kids from poor families, like my husband. He wasn’t afraid of the prospect of doing active duty, which he did, in Iraq, while cowards like you sat in their mother’s basements, bathed in the light of a computer screen.

        28. Bottom line is you’re too pussy to even crack boot camp. Those other guys would sniff out what you’re about in short order. You know that, so you come up with hyperbole to excuse your cowardice. Semper fi and thank you troops!

        29. I am sure your brainwashed, government indoctrinated “Hero” will get PTSD, hopefully he shoots you then turns the gun on himself.

        30. You are an idolater! You worship the state just like a communist. I am sure your brainwashed, government indoctrinated “Hero” will get PTSD, hopefully he shoots you then turns the gun on himself.

        31. He served himself. I am sure he would not do it for free. Idjits who put on the uniform do not do it for altruistic reasons but for selfish ones. You all trying to take the moral high-ground is a joke! I am sure your brainwashed, government indoctrinated “Hero” will get PTSD, hopefully he shoots you then turns the gun on himself.

        32. One woman leaves you and suddenly you have ‘nothing to lose’ and your only option is to end everything? What kind of coward pussy are you?

        33. Dude if pussy is so easy to come by stop whining and go and get some. This guy killed because he felt like everything should come to him as a matter of right. Maybe 7 people would be alive now if he’d spent $60.

        34. The Mercury Astronauts (watch “The Right Stuff” or read some books) were all army test pilots before they were astronauts. Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier as a test pilot. They were all Men who walked in from East Bumblefuck Missouri and signed up … not only to be slaves, but to suicide themselves which many did just to try and break the sound barrier. NASA just showed up with the money to build rockets when the Russians put a foothold in space.. So be careful who you call an imbecile.

        35. Hedy Lamar (like you) couldn’t even take a dignified shit in the world unless a man invited the toilet, the plumbing, install the electricity and packaged and sold you your toilet paper and tampons. Create your own website instead of going places nobody even wants or invited you. That’s what you are. A useless noncontributing parasite. And not a creator. It’s only by our devine manly grace that you are permitted to use the internet in the first place. You’re welcome.

        36. 15 years, four deployments, 4 years engaged while at West Point, numerous schools….and my wife and I have never cheated and still love each other. Your not a vet or you would know that home life is what gets you back home and the divorce rate in the military is lower than the rest of society. Keep your mouth shut until you actually serve.

        37. Lol… A man but not you!
          See, toilets and plumbing and all that was invented LONG before you were a twinkle in your Mom’s eye or a spermy in your Dad’s ballsack.

        38. Women love their fucking starbucks They will even tweet hashtag “caffeine” and say stupid shit like “don’t talk to me until I’ve had my venti”. I’ve even heard women call it “their happy place”. Jesus Christ. Fucking useless incels.

        39. That’s right. And the sex wouldn’t have taken place if the cheating military wife kept her fucking legs close. Cheating wives of soldiers should be executed for treason.

        40. The best Ideas never originated with women. That much is certain. Just look at the world around you. You’re the gender that invented paternity fraud and lying about “rape”. Men invented diplomacy and peace treaties.

        41. It’s going to end up being a matter of what you believe. Religions generally teach that our human nature is sexually promiscuous while our more godly nature is monogamous and family-oriented.

        42. Honey if you were interested in evidence, you would just STFU. There are no “women at work” signs for a reason. And the next building, house, condo you see going up will have only men buzzing about with not a woman in sight. And you know it. That’s why +2000 men take years to build a ship and the only thing a woman ever did is show up on the first day it sailed and cracked a champagne bottle across the bow. So cut the shit you stupid cunt. Your inability to compete with men since the beginning of time is why we mask your failures (and the most useless of contributions ) as accomplishments.
          Because men feel sorry for you.

        43. Go ahead and keep worshiping The State like a good little socialist…

        44. Hey idiot… the etymology of the word “men” also means humanity, and the etymology of the word “women” means a wife men, so women that are not wives are actually men. Previously there was not a word in the English language distinguishing men from women.
          man1 [man] Show IPA
          noun, plural men.
          “a member of the species Homo sapiens or all the members of this species collectively, without regard to sex: prehistoric man.”
          http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Men?s=t

        45. Oh I don’t worship the state at all. This isn’t even my state. Just pointing it out because you originally said “only unimaginative idiots join the military”. I would have to agree one would have to be a completely unimaginative idiot to grab a gun to defend and uphold the current order. War doesn’t determine who is right, only who is left.

        46. Fuck off cunt. Men are the creators and inventors, women are destroyers and whiners. Without men you wouldn’t even exist, so go fuck yourself you stupid little shit, men are gods and you know it.

        47. Necessity maybe the mother of invention but imagination is it’s father -which is a masculine trait, by the way. In fact, women are so irrelevant that if they wouldn’t have a pussy they might as well not exist at all. Personally i’d prefer if they didn’t.
          There is no doubt which is the superior gender (hint: it’s not female) but sure, go and tell more lies to yourself.

        48. Good answer. I certainly would laugh if that indoctrinated, brainless idiot would do just that. Only idiots and sheeple join military anyway. Smart people never would.

        49. “All male”.
          Wrong.
          I’ll just cite one example of your ignortance about this: the Manhattan project. (Look it up.)
          Leona Woods Marshall Libby, was a physicist who worked with Enrico Fermi’s group that undertook the crucial mission of producing a controlled, self-sustaining nuclear fission chain reaction. She helped to construct detectors for monitoring the flux of neutrons in the first atomic “pile” — the large stack of uranium and graphite blocks from which the group was building the first nuclear reactor. She was one of the scientists who participated in the now famous experiment on December 2, 1942, in which the first self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction took place, releasing nuclear energy and establishing the feasibility of moving ahead toward designing and developing nuclear weapons.
          The most famous woman who worked on the Manhattan Project was Maria Goeppert Mayer, who later won the Nobel Prize in physics for her work in developing the theory of nuclear shell structure.
          During World War II, she was involved initially in theoretical studies of the thermodynamic properties of the uranium hexafluoride gas that would be used in the gaseous diffusion process for conducting isotopic enrichment of uranium by separating U-235 from U-238. She also investigated the possibility of using photochemical reactions for isotope separation. Later she worked at Los Alamos on energy release in nuclear explosions.
          Would you like me to cite a few examples of women who worked on the Apollo mission?
          Frances Northcutt, was a 25-year-old woman who was a member of the flight dynamics support staff in mission control at the Manned Spacecraft Center.
          Larue Burbank, designed the visual displays used for real-time monitoring of spacecraft, and Dorothy Lee, was an engineer who worked on the re-entry heat shields.
          You seem to take pleasure in making stupidity a virtue.

        50. Wow! You’re absolutely right! I absolutely withdraw my statement of “all male” and change it to “more than 99% male”. Thank you for pointing out my error! But isn’t it curious when a man is shown to be wrong, he acknowledges it and adjusts his opinion in the light of facts – whereas a woman will absolutely REFUSE to do this? I find that fascinating. Thank you. Please carry on.

        51. The only thing certain is that you’re another moron.
          Mary Anderson invented windshield wipers. Baraba Askins was recruited by NASA to bring better definition from photographs taken from space, which generally were fuzzy. She succeeded and was honored as the national inventor of the year in 1978.
          Patricia Billings invented “Geobond” which is non-toxic, fire-proof, cannot degrade and is the first alternative for asbestos.
          Grace Marie Hopper lead the team that invented COBOL the first user-friendly business computer software.
          Stephanie Kwolak invented Kevlar which is the principle material used in bullet-proof vests.
          Heddy Lamaar invented spread spectrum technology which was first employed in naval vessels during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Her invention created a code that could not be intercepted by America’s enemies.
          This is a tough call: whose the more illiterate you or MGTOW. It’s too close to call.

        52. Wrong again. Apparently you missed a few pages of “The Right Stuff”. The Army does not, and never has had fixed wing jet aircraft. Furthermore of the seven Mercury astronauts, three came form the Navy, three from the Air force, and one from the Marines–John glenn.

        53. I think not. I limit myself to 30 minutes a day interacting with hatemongerers.

        54. Acknowledging your correction that it was not 100% male but more than 99% male is not “hate”, silly. This would demonstrate between the two of us you are the hate monger here, and I spend absolutely 0 minutes a day with shit stains like that. Have a pleasant evening.

        55. Now you are splitting hairs and grasping for an insignificant and infantile deflection away from the factual discussion and point that they were ALL MILITARY men. I would expect this kind of shit from a woman.

        56. You are saying that all the drawings I drew, stories I wrote were not as inspired by my imagination… Man, all those sword fightings in my head, hmm.. FUCK YOU ANIME! YOU TOOK AWAY MY IMAGINATION!

        57. Who’s whining? The subject is cheating military wives should be executed for treason. No whining here. It’s the retard above (and you) who dragged “viriginity” into it. Women are easier to make than toast. Getting a woman to cheat on her soldier husband is not like getting her to go to the gym. All you have to do is throw it in front of her face.

        58. That’s truly disgusting, not masculine. And irresponsible, seeing as he clearly doesn’t know how to have safe sex.

        59. Oh really? Should cheating husbands of military wives be executed for treason too? Because I don’t think they should. I don’t think anyone should be punished to death for adultery, no matter who they cheated on. Stoning adulterers to death may be custom in some countries in the Middle East (mainly to punish women, despite the fact that men statistically cheat more often than women), but that will never and should never happen in the US.

        60. That is literally idiotic. The reason why a woman MAY get those things would be because she was too busy caring for the children basically as a single mom while her husband was overseas. And once the mom continues to care for the children as she did while her ex-husband is overseas, she will need the resources to care for those children, including housing and money. And she assuredly has not taken his “freedom”. Also, some women do actually work, strangely enough, and aren’t just stealing from their ex-husbands.

        61. This looks like obvious trolling, and trolling on this shit is no longer okay when it has become recently apparent to many of us that some people really are that sexist and disgusting.

        62. The reason why men had the PRIVILEGE to make said discoveries has nothing to do with women being inherently inferior to men. It all has to do with men having more time for career-related pursuits than women due to the fact that women have historically taken on more duties in the home. To say anything otherwise is just sexist. It is also incredibly sexist to infer that women are incapable of being logical. Although it is more common for women to rely on emotion compared to logic, that is a broad generalization that cannot be applied to all of womankind. Personally, I tend to be far more logical than I am emotional. Furthermore, having heightened emotional intelligence is a strength, not a weakness.

        63. People like her absolutely need to be on websites like this in order to help sexists understand why they are so wrong and damaging to society. Perhaps if more dissenting opinions had shown up in the puahaters website, Elliot Rodgers may have recognized the error in his ways. Websites such as this one further propagate sexist stereotypes and misogynist attitudes. Also, as stated in a comment I made in another post, it is very clear that most great achievements have been made by men because women have traditionally had more responsibilities in the home, especially mothers. However, even women without children were basically only able to become nurses, teachers, or administrative assistants. Outliers existed, but for the most part women were not given the same opportunities as men.

        64. I truly feel sorry for you.
          Because you are ignorant and unintelligent enough to think that women do not matter because they can’t lift heavy things and they are not as strong physically.
          It is obvious that some work is better suited for physically strong males, while other work is better suited for emotionally intelligent women. For example, the vast majority of elementary school teachers are women. If I were as ignorant as you, I could say that men are incapable of educating future generations and are therefore worthless.
          However, men can be kindergarten teachers and women can be construction workers.
          I could also ask you another question: how is it that your supposedly “superior” gender is not managing to go to college at the same rate as “inferior” women? If I were to use your logic, I may say that men are not as intelligent as women and are therefore inferior. However, I am fully aware that this is not true and it would be sexist to say so. There are likely several reasons why less men are going to college, but I think it may have to do with American culture and how it isn’t cool to be good at school, especially for boys.

        65. this guy knows his shit. Me, I’m a physics dropout but as I recall, the angle of the dangle is equal to the square of the hair times the heat of the meat divided by the torque on the pork provided that the lotion between the motion of the ass cheeks remains constant. That said, and also being mindful of the fact that nickel dances get you fluzy nickel wives or just speddy borderline tards that simply ‘forget’ who their spouse is. Happened to me. In game we discover what greater super mind we men manisfest within our DNA unsupressed. Hell, I should have three intelligent wives by now who use their noggins to juggle our ascendingly intelligenter and intellinger progeny between titfeedings and lullabys. But no, getting an intelligent woman knocked up is like pulling teeth. Much less carrying baby to full term. Our women must be as inspired to rebel against the anti-human powers as we men of our species. In the hands of our creator, we live amongst forces that wish to supress and literally kill us. They become resistant and throw their own bag-o-game like they haven’t gamed us the whole time. But no game can shake the rock of our DNA helix. Our drive to survive. Tap into it, resonate with it, connect with every cell of YOU. None of it is ‘junk’, trust me. We fathers must teach our sons game, but not only as dogmatic science, rather as the divine voice that commands from within our DNA to grow, to love, to defend, to procreate, to venture and explore, to engineer and build, to be the architects of our families and societies – – NOT the pussywhips of them.

        66. Ihr sind eine Pferd mit dem kurze haar :D.
          Deutchland bist ganz toll, aber America sind schrecklich..
          Deutchland, Deutchland über alles, über alles in der welt.
          LoL, we in Europe don’t have sex wars, and our society is healthy what do you have American?.A land of bullies, cowards and mentally ill people that’s what you have.
          You have nothing your society is broken as it gets.
          Your education is messed up, and the only leaders that you have are psychopathic warmongers.Let’s not talk about the health insurance, and capitalistic swines who are running the show.
          Your leaders are Nazi bastards, and pretty much the entire world hates you for being obnoxious as you start wars.
          Your agencies begin those wars, and then innocent people suffer, but this article also shows a war for survival inside the U.S.

        67. I was once in no uncertain terms propositioned by an ex whose Fiancée was stationed over seas.

        68. And what if they get pregnant with male children? There’s no guarantee that anybody will be able to step into a father-like role (if they weren’t aborted), they could be the next Elliot Rodger (or could not, but the possibility is there). I personally would have just divorced the bitch.

      2. Being Alpha around men and in the office/even war is not enough. He also has to be Alpha around women, which is another matter. I have friends who are extremely successful in business and highly respected by their peers, but at home and in any LTR the woman rules, which in the end makes them Greater Betas. Women react instinctively to that and men have to truly man-up and be Alpha also with women.

        1. I never take shit from women. If they fuck with me they are out and they know it.
          Who in the hell does LTR anymore anyway? Good lord that is for my parents generation.

        2. I bet you are sitting in your mom’s basement with a headset on and that you are scared shitless of all women.

        3. “Scared shitless”? Of a WOMAN?? Why? Women are for fucking. Men don’t ever throw our junk shit we are “scared” of. That’s a guarantee. You don’t throw your dick in an alligator for good reason. But that’s what women are made for. They buy didos because they want dick so badly. No need to be “scared” of them. Omg they LOVE it. You have a lot to learn about women.

        4. Exactly. Not too many people on here doing much fucking at all from what I can see. It’s not because you’re all selective, it’s because you piss down your leg when you think about approaching a woman. That’s why everyone is railing against American women and praising foreigners… you are scared of women who aren’t afraid of telling dickheads like you to fuck off.

        5. From what you can see? What are you BLIND?

          How To Get Rid Of Approach Anxiety


          Read the second comment and open your fucking eyes. Everyone rails against Ameriskanks because that’s exactly what they are. They aren’t even WORTH approaching. I don’t even know how people like you even function with the shit you tell yourselves. “You live in your mothers basement!”… “You don’t get laid”….. “you wear headphones and are scared of women!”……
          Jesus Christ it’s pathetic.
          If I “live in my mothers basement” how the fuck do you explain this sweeping view? I guarantee you…. YOU live closer to “your mother’s basement” than I do.

        6. You know, this is the first time I’ve seen someone speak up about this.
          We men do it to ourselves. Even under the guise of helping other men, we make those less experienced feel like they need to go through hell in order to get a piece.
          The day I started treating women like sex objects, was the day I got my dick wet. PUAs especially, make it sound like rocket science. Sure, if you’re a 4 trying to hook a 9, you aren’t just going to walk up and take her away, but come on. The shit really isn’t that hard.
          The best part? They want to be treated this way!!!

        7. Problem is no one is really teaching us betas the step-by-steps. All i hear from alphas are ‘man up’.
          Sure no problem, how exactly do i defeat crippling aa again without resorting to logic since it’s not a logic-based problem?
          Any alpha that can answer that question & they will make a 100 million dollars & helping 10 million betas at the same time.

        8. Women buy dildos so they don’t have to put up with the assholes, like you, attached to it.

        9. So let me see if i’ve got this right, as a man i’m at the total mercy of my dick, and if i don’t get to stick it in a woman, then it’s acceptable i go on a rampage because i have no self control. Women are only good for fucking, and are otherwise useless, yet if they fuck a lot we call them whores and skanks and complain about it. The advice is to not care a shit about women as beyond sex they’re worthless, but somehow that attitude is going to make them want to sleep with us.
          Have i got that right?

        10. All this alpha and beta stuff makes us sound like little more than dumb animals. It’s pissing me off quite frankly. I’m not a fucking dog, i’m a man, i have self control, i recognise that men and women are unique human beings, i don’t expect to find a compatible partner with ease, as there are many many different types of people in this world, and my own personality and wants and needs are constantly evolving.
          This little nancy boy had got to what? 22 years old and thrown in the towel because none of the bitches he had met so far were into him (even though he wasn’t really into them either, just wanted to fuck ANYTHING he could). Thats a good thing, who the fuck wants lumbered with your average, common as muck dick stick.I want the ones who are different. You got to sift through piles of shit to find the rare gems. BE MORE DISCERNING!
          You lot are such sad little losers.

        11. It should already be clear to you that you don’t have it right because in no part of anything I said is any of what you interpreted implied, suggested or spoken directly.
          It WAS (however) clearly highlighted in bold (and in some cases, caps for emphasis – did you miss that?)
          Men have been freely supporting whores since the beginning of time and for thousands of years there has been no problem with this mutual arrangement…. but now we have women who behave and present themselves as whores while pretending they are NOT whores.
          The “advice” was clearly to STOP PLACING SUCH OUTRAGEOUS IMPORTANCE ON VAGINA to the point where a man would be driven to the point where he would regard his own life as “worthless” simply because he wasn’t getting any.
          I trust that should be enough clarification for you.

        12. The answer is simple, and complicated. EVERYONE has sex for different reasons. You have to KNOW the person to know what their reasons are. You can not be “nice” to the person who prefers a little more aggression. and you can not be “aggressive” to the person who prefers a more subtle approach. You can not get your “dick wet” if that is all you want, with a person who wants a relationship, and you can not have a relationship with a person who only wants to wet your dick and never see you again.

        13. I just want to correct one part– men HAVE BEEN WHORES- since the beginning of time, and there was PLENTY of problem with it, as women had to TAKE THAT SHIT because they couldn’t own property, keep their inheritances, or employ themselves. Now that we have all of that, the sexual act is a little more mutual.

        14. men are for fucking, too. sex is a healthy, integral part of life. for every woman buying a dildo there’s a dude ordering a fleshlight or real doll or just watching a little porn. nothing wrong with it.

        15. why does it enrage you for her to assume you live in your mom’s basement, but you don’t hesitate to imply she’s closer to that than you are? neither of you knows the living situation of the other. it really pissed you off, which means you have been successfully trolled.
          as for female approval… women spend an inordinate amount of time seeking male approval and attention, too. it’s a big elaborate game on both sides. if only people were honest enough to just make their feelings known and strong enough to live with the fact that not everyone you are attracted to is attracted to you.

        16. Exactly, this only taught women to stay away from males. Women will continue to teach their daughters to stay away from males and carry weapons. Elliot Rodger constantly said he walked around at night to meet women (more likely just peeped in windows) but what woman would stop in the dark to talk to anyone, let a lone a guy they do not know?? It just is not going to happen! Women get raped and beat too often, women are forgiving and loving by nature but we are also are only going to take so much. We pass down our knowledge for self-preservation no matter how primitive or unnecessary it sounds. Until males start acting as they should, women must fill all roles. These are not roles that women want or should have to assume. Many males don’t have jobs….so why on earth would the female want to deal with emotionally stunted, violent, child-like males that you have to constantly mother? There is zero reason to be with this type of male. Females have learned to stop trying to “save men” because it just won’t happen and in they end they take all their failures and insecurities out on them. This will only fuel anti-male movements and the omega males (rare) will be what women go for, if they go for any male at all. Sad that having an appendage hanging off the body (as opposed to inside) can make the male so fanatical about rubbing it on everything. It really is bizarre.
          I LOVE the man I am with. He is a good boy and a great man. It is a bummer that it feels like forever when you are waiting to find your husband/wife but you just wait, work on yourself, and have faith. It will come. It is not about sex either!!! Not at all! We both waited for each other and I am so glad that we did. Guys will only loose out on the nice girls the more they play and manipulate them. Females are not looking for that. Every mother and father must work harder on their sons. They don’t get free passes of “boys will be boys” anymore. That is over. They must catch up and start being responsible.

        17. Hollywood is ruining families. This is yet another example, yet Elliot popped sooner because he was so close to the lies. Nobody taught him hollywood sells out the masses for money and not to actually believe in it himself. How dare people think of anyone else as a walking vagina or penis to be used for self pleasure. It is wrong.

        18. Women aren’t putting their pussies up in the high value, certain types of guys like this fucking idiot Eliot are.He didn’t care for women at all he believed women owned him because he was such a nice guy. Simple put if you kill over pussy then you are the problem because women do have the right to deny the pussy just like how you can deny the dick.

        19. Women didn’t own property, because they where irrational and socially violent. Women socially destroy lower status men. Civilization functions due to the work of lower status men, so social violence against them destroys civilization.

        20. “Women get raped and beat too often, women are forgiving and loving by nature but we are also are only going to take so much”
          You are so loving by nature, that you tell mentally abusive lies about men beating and raping women?
          Rape is a rare crime. Women beat and attack men more than men beat attack women.
          You are another example of a disgusting female.

        21. Agreed. There seems to be a “sex is dirty” attitude among the adherents here.

        22. But don’t people know that Hollywood is fake? I could have sworn it was pretty obvious…

        23. Right.I will be sure to print that on a flash card and show it to the next woman who pretends she needs a “relationship” in order to spread her legs. Thanks for that.

        24. Don’t be a moron. That “mothers basement” shit is no more than an infantile deflection and has nothing to do with the fucking point. When a cunt brings that shit to the table she should expect to have it smeared in her face. “If only people were honest enough”. Yeah if only. Starting with yourself.

        25. Interesting that men seem to think that only women try to turn casual sex into a relationship or that somehow someone having standards who isn’t an alpha male is somehow ‘pretending’ lol and you clowns wonder why you can’t get and keep the women you go after. lololol

        26. So typically female. if a man airs grievances against women, they must be “afraid” of them. This is the way you communicate, and then are baffled when some men throw up walls, and treat you as nothing more than cum receptacles. Check yourself, lady.

        27. Hey look. Mr. “I’m not an MRA” followed my month-old post (speaking of stalkers) to an MRA site and proceeded to call women cum receptacles. Yep, totally balanced human being. You’re a fucking psychopath. Get help.

        28. Yeah, I know it was such a huge amount of effort to parse your profile and read some more of your grievance mongering, moron. No, I said there’s a reason why these men are treating you like a cum receptacle. Key difference, but of course lacking both reading comprehension, and a nuanced mind, you cant see the difference. And of course, I’m a “psychopath”. You’re doing a wonderful job of making the case for these guys. Seriously, look at what you’re reduced to when arguing? It’s pathetic, and typically female to go for the jugular, and stir up shit, when you’re on the ropes. All low blows and all the same kind of sexist shit that your hypocritical feminist ass claims you’re against.

      3. If WWIII started tmw I’m not enlisting.
        Let all the vile spawn of 1960s Marxism fight it.
        I affectionately refer to this as male privilege.

        1. With China and Russia now partnering up — that wont be too far away.
          Lets see how all the know-it-all mouthy bitches enjoy their cushy lives when the shit hits the fan…

        2. Damn straight. I’m going to laugh my ass off when the entitled little princesses of modern, fucked up society find out what rape culture really is. I don’t feel an ounce of pity or compassion towards women, they don’t deserve it.

    3. Ironic how all that Obama NSA surveillance and the police visit to his house didn’t stop this guy. He was posting on youtube! He may have appeared on the nsa radar but quickly dismissed as a joker-fag, I didn’t believe the video at first as it was too comic-book villanesque to be true.

      1. The solution is obviously to pass more laws enabling the government to have more power over us!

      2. The laws are for statistical surveillence. Does the sheep believe the crap we feed them or do we have adjust the bullshit, so that we do not have a rebellion?
        The NSA does not care shit about crime prevention. Most “terrorism” is staged for political reasons. Real killings like these only contribute to depopulation which is another elite-goal, so why prevent it?

        1. “Real killings” like these are an insignificant drop in the bucket that happen every day in every part of the world, but are made to look like the end of the world in the media because that’s what stirs up the ratings and drives up advertising dollars.
          If you don’t believe it, just look at the comment section of this site. Millions of people kill each other in Anonymous Bumblefuck Backwater country, and no one cares. One nutty virgin offs six people and himself in a nation of 300 million, and everybody goes bananas and says we have a crisis we must deal with. Yawn.
          Also,

          Most “terrorism” is staged for political reasons.

          Citation please?
          This just sounds like the usual conspiracy theorist “THEY know all and control all”.
          Who are they again?
          Can you name some people who are part of ‘them’?
          Is it like a club – can I join it? These people sound pretty powerful. I’d like to count myself among ‘their’ number and help direct the inane lives of the clueless sheep people.
          Can I find an application on Monster Jobs, for, like, ‘Assistant to THEY’? Also, what are the pay and benefits like? I hope the vacation time is good… American companies are seriously getting bad about this.

        2. Go ahead and study the Congressional Reece Commission from the 1950s, Carroll Quigley’s works or the buttloads of documents on cuttingthroughthematrix.com. Also plenty of stuff available on americandeception.com – mostly white papers, government commission reports etc.
          And of course it is ridiculous for the MSM to get excited by one incident while dozens get killed around the country in less drastic cases.
          BTW – the conspiracy term is quite useful at lumping together the most insane with the most “unwelcome” info out there discrediting any kind of opposition. Also when you start meeting people at Wallstreet & Switzerland who manage trillion $ portfolios of ONE FAMILY or have contact with some BIS officials then all that info becomes very logical. We are not led by some haphazard concoction of diverse corporate interests and bumbling politicians. That is what the MSM wants you to believe.

    4. If he hadn’t killed himself, he’d be getting all kinds of fan mail from women around the world.

    5. We could take a page out of the feminist playbook and say that this is the gynocracy backfiring.

    6. “he found the female attention he desired through one Grand Dark Triad act”
      Are you honestly saying that he got laid after he killed himself?

        1. It is a sick world we live in. He was a nobody, but if he kills people suddenly he becomes someone and women are attracted to him.

        2. *SOME* a very, very, tiny, minuscule amount… possibly there are men out there of the equal proportion seeking sex with Joan Rivers. That’s the problem with this way of thinking.. its too general.. you cannot seriously believe *all* women are now attracted to this psychopath? The problem with all of this thought process is the belief that all women are the same computer program.. follow the right paths and you crack a level.
          I guarantee, just as each and every one of you are individuals, so too are women.
          Yes, contemporary men as a collective are not to blame for the ‘patriarchal’ system we were *all* born into.. we are all products of the same chaos in motion. We are all as valid as each other and hierarchies are illusions.
          There’s a lot of talk on this site about ‘attractiveness’ as thought here is one version of ‘attractive’ as though chemical responses could be rationally tallied up in scores of ten. Surely somewhere inside, you can see how illogical all of this men vs women/ women vs men BS truly is.. sorry to say for all of us…
          The sooner we get along the better.. We can’t exist without the other.. its about time we all learnt to love and respect each other.

        3. “The sooner we get along the better.. We can’t exist without the other..
          its about time we all learnt to love and respect each other.”
          Sounds like Animal Farm when the pigs realize that they can not run the show by themselves.

        4. Strong nonsense in this comment. It is perfectly valid to conceptualize in terms of generalizations if we aim to be broad minded and take in the big picture. Sure there are all sorts of weird fucks on the margins, but it’s perfectly valid to think in terms of observable patterns, and certainly if we’re being intellectually honest we have to accept the phenomenon of large numbers of sexually desirable women being attracted to killers.
          And this leads us to the next fallacy you try to perpetuate: that beauty isn’t universal. It is. Even babies perceive naturally beautiful faces differently (ie preferentially), studies have shown this. Babies aren’t socially conditioned. Appreciation of natural beauty is hardwired into humans. Beauty is an objective reality, not a subjective perception.

        5. Except one thing animal farm does not address. The farmer slaughters the animals for dinner.

        6. It’s not perfectly valid to think in terms of hasty generalizations…
          I am attracted to pheromones, but I am not going to act on pheromones when the person is volatile to mine or other’s existence.

    7. Here is what some girl posted under one of his YT video (postassasination): “Am I completely insane ? Looking at several of his videos, I keep thinking I would’ve totally gone out with this guy. I don’t get it.”
      Proves a point doesn’t it …

      1. yes, trolls online totally prove a point. Fact of the matter is…murderers and violent abusive men arent the most desirable men out there.
        No matter how much dudes wanna delude themselves into thinking so.

        1. Nothing led me to believe that said girl is a troll. She kept on qualifying herself and rationalizing her attraction. And her YT profile is completely normal.
          Also don’t be obtuse, you very well understood why I posted this. Examples are not theories but you and I are quite baffled and astonished at such a reaction.
          This phenomenon is female specific. Men are not more attracted to female childmolesters or moms who kill their own kids. Most any men would refuse to be associated with such deranged individuals, wouldn’t even entertain the idea of having sex with them.

        2. small exceptions dont prove rules.
          And we all know, listen to a womans actions and not her words. The guy was a virgin for a reason…he had no friends for a reason…and he was a social recluse for a reason.
          If status, money, and decent looks didnt work for him…I cant believe that all of a sudden now any girls would be drawn to him. So for me, what some random girl says on the internet is not really indicative of much.

        3. Maybe that’s because there aren’t that many female child molesters? Men commit the overwhelming amount of crime in this world.

        4. There are also twice as many women that kill their own children compared to men.

        5. the guy is a genuinely nice looking, suffering human being. Personally I can see why people could be attracted to him. He’s a human being, not a childmolester/murderer/rapist if you see what I’m getting at with that. It’s easy to put people into stereotypical boxes but at the end of the day he’s a *human being* who’s life took a turn for the worst and ended up murdering, not a *murder* who is human. See the difference?

        6. seriously….you are defending child-murder because of Post Natal Depression? You are a demented animal. I could easily say that women don’t experience sexual frustration therefor it’s quite to be expected that they may murder people because of that frustration. So ignorant it is astounding.

        7. I’m not defending it.. it’s like all the people saying his murders weren’t about misogyny because he had a mental illness.. Many of those child murders are from women with a mental illness related to those children.. that’s why the numbers are skewed towards women.

        8. Men don’t entertain the idea of having sex with child molesters and what not? What’s with all the prison rape then?

    8. you either get laid, or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain

    9. For any readers who are just catching this thread today we’re being flooded by trolls so please just ignore them.
      This is a truly great article/thread and presents lots of issues, ideas, and points of view… The comments section and the article itself today are strong so just ignore these annoying trolls… they think they’re saving the world but they’re just being annoying.

    10. Message to feminists, we have heard your insults before:

      The 7 Most Common Feminist Insults


      ‘The 7 Most Common Feminist Insults’
      1. Basement-Dwelling Losers
      2. Sexless Virgin
      3. Small Dick
      4. “Your [sic] a R-pist!!!”
      5. “Mommy Issues”
      6. The Exception
      7. Graphic Violence
      Message to masculine men:
      DO NOT REPLY TO SHE-MALES,
      THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF REASON,
      THEY RESPOND EMOTIONALLY AND LIE SKILLFULLY
      AWALT = All Women Are Like That! (NAWALT is a lie)
      Question for the lying lamestream media: Have you no shame?

    11. This pretty much proves that women have absolutely no morals whatsoever when it comes to their own solipsism and hypergamy.

    12. Dark Triad… you mean narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy? The three traits routinely displayed by the people writing here?
      Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy. Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception. Psychopathy is characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness.

  3. Finally an article of him and the truth!
    Men need sex and game and men shouldn’t get punished for saying it out loud.
    To all men reading this: I am proud of you that you learn game and keep yourself happy without hurting others. This way you’re truly alpha.

  4. Thank you for this statement Roosh. This latest shooting may have been a dark day for men & Game but I’ll respond with this: Never start fighting. Never quit. And remember that it’s always darkest before the dawn of light.

  5. …. 😐
    Game would have made no difference you stupid ass. Trying to use this to get a little bit more attention and therefore money. Fuck you.
    The guy had a mental problem, reading your stupid shit is actually worse for people who have aspergers. In fact, game is probably the reason why people died.

    1. Positive real masculinity and real self-improvement with a good dose of self-assessment would have been the first steps with this guy. Game should have come later on and it would have helped if he went through some therapeutic stages first. MRAs and PUAHate and the feminized media only worsened his mental aberrations.

      1. Yes. The claims of Aspergers are just more attempts to sweep the problem under the rug.

    2. Hey retard, you think Roosh makes that much money from this page? I doubt it. I probably make more money selling porn than he does, Roosh genuinely wants to help people.

      1. I think Roosh knows he is onto something big… even if its just on a cultural level.
        I think he is proud that he acted for himself when he started. He then saw the development of the manosphere from the ground up…
        For an intellectual that has to be quite an interesting trip.

      2. Yeah maybe he wants to help people but he can’t cause he’s an idiot.
        Let me put here some quotes and what I think of them
        “Replying to females will result in an instant ban, as per our rules.” – Retarded, taking sides. Creating conflict. Breeding hate.
        “Until you allow and encourage all men to get sex by some means, these massacres will be more commonplace as America’s cultural decline continues.”- Completely ridiculous
        “Seven people are dead because society has decided that shy and awkward men like Elliot Rodger do not deserve a girlfriend and that there is absolutely no way to improve his loneliness and loserdom through learning game or any other social behavior. ” – Another lie. That is NOT how society behaves.
        it’s funny how all of you roosh, game and self-development “followers” don’t realize you are as brain dead as the people of this society you despise. Cause you behave like you have taken one side on an imaginary battle. So, so stupid.

        1. Brain dead? Faggot I wrote a novel about the downsides of too much hookup sex.

        2. OK fine your brain is active but you’re wrong and I’m right. And, faggot? lol

        3. I like being non-PC!
          Short on time, tomorrow I’ll refute your shit 😉

    3. So what solution do you have? Just shame men more and tell them to be more respectful of women? Every time one of these shootings happen, everybody feels the need to point out “he has mental issues”, and talk about what a loser the guy was(yeah no shit), and then just leave the issue at that. Roosh is providing a real solution, you are not.

      1. If you think Roosh is providing a real solution to guys with Aspergers you are wrong. Roosh writes stuff like: society is corrupt, females are too entitled, bitches ain’t shit. Which is what this guy internalized.
        Game is WORSE for people with mental disorders or who have very little self-esteem and are very insecure. They are vulnerable and easily manipulated which is what some of these pua coaches do for money.
        Game is only good for guys who have some potential and to whom a little push can set them off in a more ambitious and driven path and way of life, it makes them take more action thats what it comes down to. To really ugly, insecure, low self-esteem, and especially to guys with mental issues, game is bad. PUA coaches know that and shamelessly lie to those just so they can win a few extra bucks. And worse of all, now this moron comes and says that the shooting wouldn’t have happened if Elliot learned game. Elliot KNEW about game and read and watched game material which only contributed to his hatred to women.
        I understand game might have changed your life in a positive way, as it did for me but we gotta understand that telling an ugly guy to approach 100 girls and endure rejection is not the same as telling a good looking guy to go up to the same 100 girls and endure rejection.
        Elliots problem though is that he had high-functioning aspergers which was the reason why he couldn’t relate to people. Misogynistic game articles like the ones in ROK only made it easier for him to give himself permission to act on how he felt. So, this Roosh guy is a fucking idiot cause he decided to come out and write that Elliot Rodger should have learned game and it would all have been well and fine.

    4. I am autistic, didn’t start talking till I was seven. I could barely communicate until I was teenager. I got rich working with computers, but my love/sex life sucked. This (PUA and game) is not stupid shit. It has helped me a lot. I may never get to the level of Roosh, but I am just happy having a hot lady in my life and also knowing that I can find another if she leaves me. If anything, PUA and Game help autistic and asperger people more than neurotypicals, since we spend so much time with computers and on the internet.

  6. Wow..wow..wow. If went out and said something like this people would have me thrown to the angry herd of lions. He probably needed God/Jesus Christ MORE THAN he needed game and sex. In fact, we all do!

  7. “I was not in a different boat than Rodger”
    Nor was I. Just neither of us felt as though we were entitled to anything. Good post.

  8. i think this has more to do with it…
    Federal Govt. needs gun control big time…. buy yourself a gun…

  9. You gotta take the red pill here. In his case, nothing would help. Psychopathy is pretty much incurable.

    1. Psychopathy is also a major aphrodisiac to women. ergo, this guy was not a psycopath. Or, if he was, psychopathy was not what caused his failure with women, hence his killing spree.

      1. There are functioning and dysfunctional psychopaths. The functional ones become CEOs and such, the dysfunctional we see in Elliot.
        Both types of psychopaths completely disregard anyone else’s feelings, but the functional ones can acknowledge them by recognizing social cues. Dysfunctional psychopaths leave totally in their head, they don’t just ignore the feelings of others – they don’t even notice them.

  10. I think a very big mistake that this unfortunate young man made is that he thought women will pursue men in the same way men will pursue women as long as the man is of ‘high enough status’. i.e. if he has enough money, looks etc. This is generally wrong. Women will generally not randomly pick out men and proposition them for sex no matter how rich or attractive they are. Yes being attractive and wealthy will make it more likely that women will be receptive to advances, but they still generally want ADVANCES to be made.
    This young man probably thought that because there’s a certain ‘level’ of woman who will always be hit on, that there would equally be a ‘level’ he could attain where women would hit on HIM without him actually doing anything. When that didn’t happen, he went crazy.
    It simply doesn’t work like that. Women want men who will PURSUE, despite all the current societal pressures against men doing that.

    1. I was like that, when I realized how it really was I became extremely bitter.

    2. “Women want men who will PURSUE, despite all the current societal pressures against men doing that.”
      Another example of the shit test that is feminism. Weed out the weak men.

      1. What exactly do you mean by “weed out”? As in kill them?
        And how do you define weak?

    3. absolutely right… AND …. you can find interviews with lesbians and bisexual women who are practically terrified to approach other girls to proposition for a date, sex or a relationship….you’d think that approach anxiety wouldn’t be an issue for a girl trying to pick up another girl, but in fact it’s just the same…. AND why women don’t approach… they are too pussy to deal with approaches and rejections…

      1. So, you’re saying that women are “too pussy”? Very well stated. How eloquent. You are a master of human psychology and the English language as well, sir.

        1. Considering your avatar is a pussy, and you’re so afraid of women that you whine to the admin to “pwease, pwease ban dose scawy wimmens or I’ll cwy!”, I find this ironic.

    4. It sounds like he was also incapable of relating to other people in a normal way, befriending women, etc. He seemed completely socially backward.

  11. Well stated. Unfortunately I guarantee that there are more George Sodinis and Elliot Rodgers out there waiting to explode from frustration.

  12. And this goes to show why a rational society wouldn’t leave something as important as young men’s sexual socialization to the haphazard when it becomes clear that a boy can’t figure out how to negotiate and close the deal with any girl at a developmentally appropriate age. Parents should start to worry if their son hasn’t stumbled into this by age 20 or so. These young men need interventions by that age, like coaching in dating skills and possibly even working with sex therapists and sexual surrogates. If Elliot’s parents had done this for their son a few years back, that might have defused his growing alienation from womankind and given him the rudiments for building an adult sex life.
    And no, prostitutes don’t really solve the problem. Prostitutes don’t teach young men the adult skill set they need to have competent relationships with women.
    BTW, I find it weird that many progressive commentators on the story say that Elliot should have seen prostitutes. I thought progressives believe that the cash nexus causes alienation in capitalist society; the commodification of natural human interactions like in prostitution does violence to human nature. In their utopian alternative, human relationships would develop organically without the intervention of the market and the exchange of money.
    Instead these progressives tell male virgins, hey, you only deserve alienated capitalist sex with prostitutes, chump! No healthy, voluntary sexual relationships with women for you!

    1. Prostitution has been tolerated since antiquity to provide sexual release for young men in society. Commercial sex was legalised in ancient Rome and widespread. In ancient Greece, prostitution was common and prostitutes were often influential women, the example being of Lais. The hardline stance taken against prostitution was at the end of 15th century – primarily fueled by the outbreak of STDs in Europe, and the Protestant Reformation further clamped down on it.In the 19th century, legalized prostitution became a public controversy as France and then UK passed the Contagious Diseases Acts, legislation mandating pelvic examinations.
      Communists clamped down on prostitution in Russia in the 20th century.
      Originally, prostitution was widely legal in the United States. Prostitution was made illegal in almost all states between 1910 and 1915 largely due to the influence of the Woman’s Christian Temperance Union. On the other hand, prostitution generated much national revenue in South Korea, hence military government encouraged the Prostitution for the U.S. military.
      Since the break up of the Soviet Union, thousands of eastern European women end up as prostitutes in China, Western Europe, Israel, and Turkey every year.There are tens of thousands of women from eastern Europe and Asia working as prostitutes in Dubai. Men from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates form a large proportion of the customers.
      So the bottom line is that prostitution has always been there, as whoredom is essentially female nature. Soviet women were prevented by the state, and today with the relaxation of laws you see the whores out in the open. American women are the same, they’re basically whores, the moment prostitution is legalized you’d see them doing the same as CIS women. American pornography and the slut hypergamy of American women are just avenues of the non-commercial indirect versions of whoredom essentially speaking.
      Of course, one can’t learn game by fucking whores because there is no ‘challenge’ in fucking whores, what you essentially need is cash. Fucking whores will not develop your game with women, nor will it improve your knowledge on how to seduce women by understanding them.
      But look at rich kids like Elliot, who had could’ve probably bought the best pornstars and whores to lose his virginity. But he didn’t. Why?
      Because as most virgins (and other common men) do, they want their first times (or even sexual encounters) to be ‘special’, not with some paid women. The thrill of banging a girl without paying for her gives a feeling of ‘conquest’ which banging a paid whore will never give. Fucking whores kills the feeling of conquest and overcoming a challenge, it’s plain easy sex, just like ordering a fast food lunch.
      Elliot was possibly pissed that he could not achieve that ‘conquest’ with those girls with all his ‘status’, which he could’ve very well achieved had he learned game. But he didn’t, because he didn’t take the red pill. He had no understanding of female nature. He ‘entitled’ himself to getting sex from equally entitled modern feminist women. That’s what happens when you don’t swallow the red pill. Ignorance of gender relations, female nature and gender interaction today. Which contributed to the unfortunate massacre.

      1. Great comments from Brett & RC.
        I’ve found myself wondering before about those stories of men back in the old days that took their sons to a brothel when they were 16 and got them laid for the first time with a prostitute.
        What kind of effect would it have on the boy as opposed to losing his virginity while being in love with a “special girl.” I lost my virginity at the age of 16 to my highschool girlfriend, and we stayed together for quite a few years – until I was twenty, but the pussy goggles were on me and back then in the late 80’s, it was still fairly normal to think of getting married to someone in your early 20’s. I never got around to asking her, but we were definitely headed in that direction, both being members of the same church and all. It was a horrible, painful break-up, mostly because the actions she did while breaking up absolutely did not match up with the blue-pill reality I believed in.
        It took me a few more relationships and heartaches before I started learning red-pill truths by the late 90’s, simply from experience.
        But I wonder, how would my perception of women have changed if my father had taken me to a prostitute when I was sixteen instead? It certainly would have been a way to satisfy my curiosity and natural teenage lust – but it also would have cast a certain unsavory shadow of the idea of “woman” being different than perfect angels, – but that is also one more along the lines of reality.
        What I have learned in life from smacking up against blue-pill truths over and over again in relationships is that, on a certain level, prostitution IS women’s business in the sexual market – its just that there are socially sanctioned forms of prostitution (ie. marriage = exchange of sex/children for resources/protection) and there are socially condemned forms of prostitution (ie: Street walkers). Both are just at different places on the same spectrum.
        Also, if a father takes his son to a prostitute when he is young, it gives the young man a sanctioned way (at least by his father) to curb his sexual desire at a time when it is most controlling in his life. I wonder if this would also have the indirect effect of helping the young man in his relationships with other women – the ones trying to land a little marriage-prostitution on his ass. If he knows he can get sex from a prostitute, he won’t feel compelled to seek sexual release solely by being a pussy beggar to “his one true love,” but will at least be sexually satisfied enough that he is able to assess the young women who present themselves as potential wives more upon their character, rather than his desire to be sexual with a woman.
        I’ve never used a prostitute in my life, and for many years thought it was demeaning to a man’s sense of self worth to have pay a woman to have sex with him.
        Ah, the lofty ideals of ones’ youth!
        In time I found that men always pay for sex in one form or another. Briffault’s Law really is true and it is found nearly everywhere in the animal kingdom, of which we are a part of. The reason women hate formalized prostitution so much is it puts a real, definable market price on, say, a blowjob. If a man can get blown for $50 by a prostitute, think of how little power wives would have in getting their weekend long “honey do lists” done with only the promise of a five minute blowjob with no cumming in her mouth after he completes 18 hours of work for her. Lol! No thanks, toots!
        One of the reasons men were so productive in the past years was because they got married so young and basically “transmuted” their animal sexuality into something productive, which is more or less what marriage does.
        In an age where marriage is actively hostile to men – to the point that it is financially ruinous for many in that once your wages are imputed and garnished, you are basically an indentured servant with little hope of ever having the financial freedom to live poorly while starting up an entrepreneurial venture that might make you wealthy – is it possible for men to “transmute” themselves to a certain degree simply by paying prostitutes and only affiliating with women for other purposes (ie social gatherings) based upon their character and not their sexuality?

        1. I remember reading an article about a certain village in the late 19th/early 20th century in Japan where all the boys who turn 16 would be marched off to the local whore house to loose their virginity. Their mothers would say to them “enjoy yourselves but make sure you come back as a man!” I was fascinated at how loosing one’s virginity was a rite of passage done with virtually no shame involving prostitutes. The culture was so different yet very honest and accepting towards a young man’s sexual awakening.

        2. I wonder whether STDs were rampant in those villages. Considering there were no condoms and safe sex in those days….Possibly the whores used to get buttfucked to avoid pregnancy., even more risky behavior.

      2. I wonder what feminists think about cam girls? Is it ok because they never actually have sex with the men and they get paid to exploit themselves? That’s empowering probably. How sick is that? Some men are so starved they’ll pay for a simulated sex act through a screen, not even getting to touch a real woman. Stimulation through simulation. That’s how far detached we are from reality in this day in age. Virtual prostitution. What a joke.

      3. I wonder what feminists think about cam girls? Is it ok because they never actually have sex with the men and they get paid to exploit themselves? That’s empowering probably. How sick is that? Some men are so starved they’ll pay for a simulated sex act through a screen, not even getting to touch a real woman. Stimulation through simulation. That’s how far detached we are from reality in this day in age. Virtual prostitution. What a joke.

    2. I would agree that hiring a prostitute in the USA would not teach any game. Not enough time involved. In another country though, you can go for the GFE (girlfriend experience) and get a girl for several days, week, or even a month. This gives you a chance to learn about human interaction. You can even practice game with them. No better feeling than the first time a prostitute decides to hang around a few extra days for no charge. I am long past those days, but I consider sex tourism to be great for getting out of the idea that sex is a rare and difficult resource to acquire. Once you realize that you have the upper hand in the sexual marketplace, the ladies can feel the change in you. Now they want you. Everything changes at that point.

      1. Actually, that might be a very valuable thing for many men, despite the cost of travel and the cost of the GFE – although, I realize Thailand is pretty cheap. But especially if the women were somewhat “trained” to understand female-male dynamics away from North America’s corrupt academia.
        One of the best illustrations of game I have ever seen was by Angelina Jolie and Johnny Depp in the film “Salt,” where she teaches him how to ask a woman to dinner – in the way that “he is man who does whatever he wants.”
        First he asks her to dinner, and she refuses because he asks.
        Then he tells her to come to dinner with him, and she refuses because he is too demanding.
        Finally, he STATES that he is going to dinner, and she is welcome to join him.
        (Welcome to MY world!).
        If only prostitutes could be used in a similar manner, such as a sexual surrogate… since men believe women so much quicker than other men.

  13. “You said “no” to me so I’m going to blow you all away, then myself. That will teach you not to fuck with me!”
    And before that we had
    “I HAD to stab her, she wouldn’t go to the junior prom with me!”
    Uh…would it surprise you to learn that this is not normal behavior even for someone shy and awkward?

  14. “These men don’t believe in game and instead think the only path to a healthy sex life is to be rich and good looking, two beliefs that Rodger actively believed. ”
    Elliot is a prime example of the untruth of this believe. He came from money and wasn’t to bad looking…I would say even slightly above average – no homo. The reason he couldn’t get the women he wanted (he had a strong preference for blondes) is problably because they sensed he was a mentall case, dude had creepy written all over him.

  15. Excellent article, Roosh.
    These are the articles – written in the way you did – that needs to be shoved into everyone’s face, rather than distancing one’s self from it. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction – and the proper response to something like this is to illustrate that it’s because of the extremes our sexual marketplace has gone to over the past decades that are causing the problems… ergo, stop digging the hole deeper!
    This is exactly the same phenomenon that happened with the rise of the DV Industry decades ago.
    It used to be, back in the days that it was much more difficult to dissolve a marriage, that husbands and wives murdered each-other at almost the exact same rates – and it had been this way for a long time in history.
    Then the DV Industry got involved and made things extremely biased against men and we all know, it only takes a phone call and her claiming “I’m afraid” to get her husband arrested and have an automatic TRO slapped against him, which automatically gives her primary custody and the primary residence in the upcoming separation agreement.
    In other words, why kill your husband and risk life imprisonment when all you have to do is pick up the phone and claim “I’m afraid.”? Your husband is automatically tackled by the blue suit thugs and dragged away by state force, never to be seen again unless you need to squeeze some nickles out of his ass – and if you murder him, there’s less nickels to collect.
    And what happened? The amount of wives murdering their husbands dropped, while the amount of husbands killing their wives rose. Nowadays, the only way for a husband to walk away from marriage with his family “intact” is almost solely through becoming a widower – while wives no longer desire to kill their husbands because they are offered several different options of getting rid of their spouse through the government and its courts.
    So… the people that have passed laws “empowering” women to leave marriage in order to stop domestic violence, have actually caused more women to die at the hands of their husbands because they removed any and all other options for him to leave the marriage without getting massively screwed. Then, each time the number of wives killed by their husbands rise, the do-gooders scream that this is proof that MORE laws need to be passed restricting the options for men in marriage and divorce… which incentivizes yet more murders of wives by their husbands.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    Political Correctness Kills!

    1. Yes getting married is really crazy. Why would anyone do that ? No gain at all.

      1. pussy…
        It’s where this guy would have gotten his pussy if he wasn’t so completely inept that a wife-hooker couldn’t tolerate him.

  16. I’m glad the top dog Roosh made a post for this issue. We needed a good article on this issue, and he delivered.

    1. I don’t no about that. Help and guidance can only be given to folks that are open to receiving it. Some people are just lost causes. That’s something we just need to accept. I doubt game would have helped this obviously very mentall unstable kid.

      1. This kid was fucked in the head and needed MORE than just the red pill, although red pill would may have kept him from killing.

  17. The kid was obviously cuckoo for cocoa puffs but I too saw some elements of my former self in his videos and writings … my armchair psychology take on his situation is slightly different though based on my own personal experience: I don’t think he was just simply looking for SEX with hot girls — obviously he could afford to get a good looking hooker if he so desired … no, I believe this kid was looking for more — to be specific, he also wanted to LOVE and be LOVED by a hot girl to make up for the maternal love and affection he presumably never received …

    1. He was looking for his validation of worth in society, and found there was none, even though he followed “the rules.”
      Men get validated by the sexual act, while women get validated by men wanting to do the sexual act with her, even if she does complete the deal – in fact, she gets bonus validation points for rejecting him.
      Add a little mental imbalance, and wango bango…

    2. No. He had maternal love. He was very attached to his mother.
      But you are right that he did desire love from females.

      1. No, I know from personal experience that the fact that he was supposedly “attached” to his mother does not mean that he actually received maternal love and affection (christ, I sound like half a fag for revealing that!) …

  18. At the end of the day all this kid wanted was to be loved. Tragic in every way.

    1. And the aftermath will lead to more demonization of masculinity, and stronger gun controls/encroachment of the state.
      It truly is sad watching the west die such a slow death.

      1. This is true -all over the femosphere women and manginas are now writing about how “violent masculinity is LITERALLY KILLING US. ”
        facepalm

        1. Geez, they are just a herd of wild animals.
          Now that “Bring Our Girls Home” got boring they all rally around their new hashtag..
          Thats the average privileged and coddled American female for you. They have nothing better to do.

        2. Great point. Social media is a good mirror to observe women’s fickle behavior and just how “deep’ their “beliefs” go.

    2. Clearly this Elliot was brought up with a Feminism mindset.Instead of being a real man and improving himself to attain his goals,he threw a (fatal) hissy fit,and blamed everyone else for his lack of success.EXACTLY,how Feminism teaches women to behave when they fail to achieve.

      1. There are a few other things suggesting a feminine/liberal mindset too. He never questions the assumption in his manifesto that “he deserves a beautiful blonde female”. It seems to just be a given. He was trying to make himself more attractive (better clothes, nice car, ect.) to attract females. This is generally what a woman does (make herself look more attractive). A man needs to learn skills and achieves. He was a member of PUAhate, a site that thinks PUA techniques and self-improvement is worthless.

        1. Lol at you thinking a “feminine” and “liberal” mindset can’t be mutually exclusive. I’m in direct contrast to that, buddy.

      2. You have a lot… correction… everything to learn about feminism if this is what you think it teaches.

        1. Why do you call yourself Mike? Everyone knows you’re a woman. Just call yourself Michelle already.

      1. “I just wanted affection” were his words. He either thought that sex equaled affection or he just wanted a girlfriend to hang out with.

        1. Mainly because people still think of sex as something that comes from a relationship.

        2. In a perfect world/different time, that would have been the case but most of us have slept w/someone we weren’t in relationship with at least once and everyone fucks out of wedlock.

        3. Yet people still cling on to this and I personally know two guys who outright refuse sex unless they are in a relationship with the girl.

        4. Those two also enjoy How I Met Your Mother, Big Bang Theory and Game of Thrones. Other than leaving the entire Band of Brothers series for them to watch, I really don’t know what to do.

        5. Make that two and a half. I need at least some semblance of a relationship– at least someone to hang with for a few weeks– don’t want ONSs.

        6. Way to belittle other men for wanting a relationship. You feel like more of a real man now?

        7. You have to respect the fact that they aren’t stooping to the level of idiocy in this depraved society though. I mean to be honest, I’m a sexually active male who would get way more action if I wasn’t so apathetic about the women I encounter and the sex that results from it. Most women have absolutely nothing to offer and if they try to save face with me after I’ve pumped and dumped them then I have no problem telling them that and then cutting contact with them. There are actually more reasons to NOT have sex outside of a relationship with some skank than to have sex with them. It’s just our biological imperative that drives us to do so against our better more logical judgement.

        8. I’m a sexually active male who would get way more action if I wasn’t so apathetic about the women I encounter and the sex that results from it.

          I’m the exact same way. I used to pull more tail than a slow kid at a petting zoo but gradually became disenchanted with sex a few years back. You bed some whore and then what? What’s the ROI? is there an ROI? Am I even a better man for it? Without tangible metrics or a realistic chance her ever becoming stimulating enough to maintain my interest, sex eventually became a tedious waste of time. It got to a point where I felt like I’d rather taxidermy roadkill than be engaged in pillow talk with some dull slut like I give a shit what she thinks.
          There are definitely more reasons wait for an relationship but unless that relationship is marriage, with someone you trust and can truly spend your entire life with, it’s still a exercise in futility because you’re essentially playing ‘house’

        9. I agree with this. One of my best friends hardly EVER gets laid. But he has earned my respect by the fact that he works hard for what he’s got and that he stands by his friends in hard times. Generous guy who deserves more than what he’s got.
          I know other guys who do everything for pussy but they aint gonna get dibs in my troop… kuz they’re liars… pussywhipped… spoiled… backstabbers etc.
          I do know of a couple dudes with both qualities. They likely inspire envy in other guys but I feel good when I see functioning relationships and the possibility of community forming.

    3. Exactly; This kid just needed some friends. I used to be a lot like him in high
      school, before I learn game from roosh and the others. Ive also helped
      men like him, sometimes all it takes is a simple ” hey bro lets hit the bar and get some of these girls” he just needed a friend and i think its sad that these days you can’t say hi to a stranger without getting a weird face thrown your way.. honestly before the going crazy and murdering these kid was probably a good intelligent kid maybe a little weird but not a bad person before rejection from women and potential friends took its toll on him….. Now the feminazis want to demonize this poor tortured soul.
      People we need to be more kind to others and spread love and teach game to the young before It is to let.. You don’t have to be everybody’s friend but you also don’t have to isolate people you find weird because later on shit like this happens.
      Game save lives people….

      1. “these days you can’t say hi to a stranger without getting a weird face thrown your way”
        Not only do they throw the stupid “bitchface” your way – they often go out of their way to insult, demean and ridicule males – for their own cheap little ego boost and to get laughs from their friends.

        1. That’s why you always carry a drink to then throw in their face afterward after you swish it around a bit for added dramatic effect.

      2. It isn’t just game…being kind saves people. We’re a very selfish society.

    4. And now he will be spending Memorial Day weekend lying on a slab in the Santa Barbara morgue.
      While females all over the world chastise and nsult the dead 22 year-old KID.
      It was a tragedy. Lets get past this. Lets let all males and females move forward in a positive manner.
      Maybe what this world could use is a little less sex…
      and a whole lot more love.

  19. Another option is to have the media stop overfocusing on sex, but we’d have to root out the Jews first. Easier said than done.

    1. Well, here was a great article that I was going to direct people to when they claimed that the manosphere is responsible for this kid’s actions. Then the crazy antisemites had to come out,

      1. Oh go fuck your mother you unthinking animal.
        Jews ARE a problem, that isn’t even debatable.

        1. wasn’t the first mention of antisemitism after the jews started to be criticized for their banking practices? I remember reading something like that.

  20. I think feminists underestimate how strong and distracting a young man’s desire for sex really is…
    Apparently on campuses in North America women are graduating University at a greater pace than men with better grades etc. Big surprise…
    When I was in highschool and most of my University life… ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT WAS SEX. All I could think about was how to dress, act, approach, learn to play music, stand out, so I could sleep next to a woman and have kinky sex. Which I did… But that took me TONNES of fucking work.
    None of my University girlfriends had to think twice about getting dick… for the ones who wanted to get good grades, all they had to do was keep a decent schedule and take dick on their off-hours. I felt like all the immigrant males going into STEM, Law, Medical fields were holding out for sex they felt was guaranteed to come.
    When I hear these phrases like “why are men not doing so well in college durr durr?” I can’t help but think… isn’t that the most obvious fucking thing in the world???

    1. Good observation. We should have all men and all girl schools. There is really no reason to mix them, from a pure educational standpoint.

      1. First and foremost we should acknowledge that some of the practices our adversaries (or al least those who our media portrays as our adversaries) are legitimate. With this i specifically mean muslim male-female relations. The muslim religon advocates an al most total seperation between male and female spaces. Males today – especially – in the west are surrounded by females and female images. This is highly distractive, resulting in deteriorating male achievements. The female image has an effect on the male brain similar to drugs. Overindulging in it therefore can have detrimental effects.

        1. Agreed. Also we learn in different and women brains are generally smaller and less advanced, sorry girls.

        2. “The muslim religon advocates an al most total seperation between male and female spaces.”
          And the Muslim women – out of their own free will – dress modestly, and cover up; Wear conservative clothes.
          What do we have? Slimy sluts wearing skin-tight stretch pants to school, church, work. Instagramming their ego-filled selves with all the photos of their latest disgusting cheap slutwear.

        3. On what planet do you live that you think the Muslim women do this out of their own free will?

        4. “Single-sex schools may reduce influences of adolescent culture that tend to distract students’ attention from academic learning and instead place emphasis on physical attractiveness and interpersonal relationships (Coleman 1961; Riordan 1985).
          More than four decades ago, Coleman (1961) showed that students in coeducational schools were more concerned about appearance and popularity, leading him to conclude that coeducational schools restrained academic achievement. By reducing the influences of adolescent culture, therefore, single-sex schools may help students concentrate on academic learning.
          Some studies suggest that students in all-boys or all-girls schools tend to spend more time on homework and show more academically oriented attitudes than those in coeducational schools, while popularity based on physical attractiveness and excellence in sports is more highly valued in coeducational schools.”
          repository. upenn. edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1015&context=psc_working_papers

        5. The only time my grades were any good were the two years I spent in military school as a 7th and 8th grader. Every year in H.S. most of my time was spent wondering why girls didn’t like me, or trying to become a basketball star with very little talent so they might like me a little bit.
          College did OK, but left due to being sexually invisible.

        6. yet you watch porn of slutty women. Sounds cyclical to me. Go find a conservative girl, there’s plenty of them!

        7. Don’t you think that it is funny that the internet holds so much power yet women have resorted to the oldest profession in the way they use facebook and one thing that really needs to be discussed: cam sites.

        8. Wholeheartedly agree with single-sex schools. I wish I would have been in such a situation, I can only imagine that my grades would have been even better than they were if I were given a choice in the matter and understood that I’d be distracted by my emerging sexuality while trying to find an occupational niche. I think we should see a return to this set-up.

    2. Most women simply DO NOT care that it is more difficult for their male counterparts to get laid. Then there are those who wouldn’t believe it if you told them. I told a single mother that I was seeing (and about to dump) that chances are good that her son who enters college in the fall will have a less fulfilling sex life than her. I had fun watching the hamster go on that one.

      1. I want to gain more insight into parents’ reaction to this in general..
        The whole.. girls gone wild daughter + miserable son who sits in the basement developing zero social skills = What?
        Are parents even capable of acknowledging this or is it so utterly fucked up and removed from their growing up experience that it just eats away at them in some unspeakable way?
        Dads (the majority) are not able to explain Game to their children kuz it just simply wasn’t necessary for them.. The economy was up… they had a decent car and apartment… worked with their hands… loved their women who actually saw a future as a mother a viable option.
        I’m sure there were sluts and cads… there were always… but at least there were some prospects for proud beta-males… We constantly insult beta-males but without them society tanks in one fell swoop.

        1. At this point I kind of want society to tank. The current state of affairs sucks and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. The sooner it all goes to hell the better.

        2. Our fathers didn’t require game because women were normal and nice back in the day due to feminism not yet being Jew’d and turned into radical feminism which corrupted the modern female to the point that her expectations in a man are utterly outrageous.
          All a guy had to do back in our father’s day was be respectable and courteous and have a nice smile even if he wasn’t particularly handsome and most women would give him a chance. Not so now.

        3. You’re such a gentlemen, WOW. You’re on this goddamn message board, look in the mirror. You’re the farthest away from courteous and nice – you’re completely self-unaware.

    3. Excellent post. I too find it incredible how blind people seem to be to this issue. My grades fucking PLUMMETED on the onset of puberty, and it isn’t because I just needed to spend a little more time playing outside or whatever nonsense “experts” who claim to understand this problem would have you believe.
      By the time my second year of college rolled around, the sexual frustration got so bad that I just dropped out.
      But why oh why are our boys doing soooo poorly? GEE, I WONDER.
      People are so fucking clueless.

      1. It isn’t that their clueless, at least women, it’s that they don’t care.
        Breaking masculinity has served a very useful purpose for those who enforce it.

      2. Yeah.. looking back I should have gone into the trades. Work with men.. talk about girls.. work with my hands.. Get paid get laid.

        1. Most certainly agree with you. The trades are really the only male frontier left for the most part and they are a practical job that helps you make sense of a material world. All men need physical labor; it does the mind good.

        2. The trades are the last bastion of masculine jobs it seems. Although even that shit is headed south because the general contractors that manage them have implemented all sorts of PC fucking rules. It least that’s what I see on large jobs, especially government.

    4. “why are men not doing so well in college durr durr?”
      The writing is on the wall so to speak. It is just that people do not want to read it so the media and feminists come up with stupid answers and reasons as to why boys are doing poorly in school. I wonder how much tax payer funding has been spent trying to figure out why boys are doing poorly when the answer really is obvious.

    5. You have to take into account that men are less likely than women to enlist in bullshit degrees like cinema anthropology, anti-fascism 101 and my favorite : Womyn studies.
      For some reason men have the dignity, or stupidity (choose which), to go for slightly less useless degrees.

      1. Good point. I think men (including myself) are also far less likely to dig themselves into serious debt without a clear return on investment. I think they have more of an appreciation that THEY will have to pay back what they owe.
        I’m in a Graduate program where we make just enough to pay rent and buy ramen noodles… one of my female colleagues came into the office last month and was bragging about her new car she bought. “Oh its got so many features!”. I asked her how much it cost… $30,000+. HOW CAN SHE AFFORD THAT ON LESS THAN $20,000 a year salary!? HOW!?
        How do you justify that purchase when She ALREADY HAD A DECENT CAR.

        1. A new car is an big, exepensive handbag, she justifies the purchase because that’s how she will judge her self-worth in comparaison of her peers.
          Also, some sucker will likely pay off her debts or her expenses in a few years, so it doesn’t bother her to be reckless with her finances.

        2. Well that sucker sure as hell aint gonna be me.
          In the current economic situation are there even gonna be enough GenY + Millennial beta-providers to take on all their debt anyways??? I guess they will try.
          “A new car is an big, expensive handbag” xD Lolol

        3. I know that I never invested precisely for that reason. The economy, the job market ect. It is easy to doubt the usefulness of a college degree in this economic climate. It shows better judgement in my opinion. I’ll tell you how she bought that car and how people have iphones and everything else: cycle of debt and social programs. One of the big red flags of a bloated society. Credit cards and food stamps.

        4. Or her parents bought it, that and/or her tuition.
          I’ve seen grown fucking women get assistance from their parents with college expenses.
          My mother is in her 60s still paying one of my sister’s school loans. She (sister) lives in a very nice house with her husband/kids. My sister spent 5k on fucking liposuction and guess who my mother asks for money? Me…
          I’m the least parasitical child of the bunch, never had kids as a teen, never asked for money after I got a job at 15. Do I get any respect or admiration for it?
          lol, hell no. Give me more slave.

        5. Man up you pussy your mom brought you into this world! Apologize but I had to haha. I see the same thing. Just recently I met a girl who went to college, got in a sorority, fucked a bunch of dudes, did a bunch of drugs ect. flunked (of course) was on food stamps and going through cosmetology school (of course) and then just moved back with her mother and father to a nice white suburb. Fucking ridiculous but this is not at all abnormal. I bet there’s a connection between whoring + sorority + failing grades = cosmetology as ditch last effort. Some asshole is going to be paying for that landwhale that got filled up with thug cock. I know a total whore who I had a casual relationship with and she now is married and pregnant and was sending me nudes *WHILE PREGNANT* it doesnt get much lower than that. I was the one who had to tell her to stop doing that. Guess what else? Cosmetology school graduate haha. Poor fuck.

    6. Well, that’s not the only reason, college is really geared towards girls.
      If it was less about writing what you were told twice a year, and more about learning to solve problems you may encounter in your future job, men who do far better in college (better than before and better than women).

      1. I don’t know about you but when I went to highschool, the men that chose to go to tech school (an infinitely better choice) were ridiculed as neanderthals and dirty rednecks that would obviously be doomed to a life of low wage and ugly wives. At least in my school that was the reality. Not only were tech programs not even promoted as a viable and practical option for employment; they were effectively demonized socially. The public school system is a god damn shame.

        1. Yeah… ridiculing those young people who wanted to work with their hands and you know… actually… build… you know… real things… is a HUGE failure of our education system.
          These are jobs that can’t be easily outsourced, many of them are practically recession proof (things will always needed a’fixin), and most of all… They are necessary!!! Your water comes to your house through pipes not the the fucking internet!!!
          Many of the people my age who went into the professional trades have already bought houses and have girlfriends. Many college guys I know are not quite sure what to do with all these office skills… myself included. And many of them are burdened with debt… the opposite of owning a house.

        2. You and i see exactly eye-to eye on this issue. I ALWAYS say that trades are recession proof because it’s fucking logical. Can you outsource a plumber when your septic tank is spewing shit? Yeah I didn’t think so. Yeah exactly to me it seems to be the last refuge of an “american dream”. It is a path that should be praised not demonized. You should read thishttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/magazine/24labor-t.html?_r=0: and rethink your career my friend. I’m glad I didn’t get pressured into debt and college and remained independent in thought from pressure from my relatives ect. They don’t realize the landscape has changed from occupation to relationships. Not their fault but they shouldn’t try to weigh in on it either.

        3. Hey thanks for the link I’ll check it out.
          I was talking to my folks about switching into another discipline recently after graduate school (I’ve incurred zero debt) and their reaction was WTF are you crazy?!!?
          Their reaction made sense… I can see how it seems like I’m just being flaky. Its rather that I’ve lost faith in the system that tells us “go to college and you’ll find a good job” without citing any economic forecasts or anything… The academic road (Ph.D + post-docs) takes about 10 years to get a job AFTER you complete your Masters degree. And even then… you have to fight for tenure track… and all the time you are vying the government for funding by proving how smart you are. I don’t think these are my true life ambitions.
          I’ve honestly started to see graduate school as kind of like… grown-up daycare (not dissing the handful of brilliant people that I know)

        4. I’m sure you would considering the security he could provide for you but what would you provide? That’s the question no one asks but I gotta say men should have expectations for their women aside from easy access to sex. Will you be a good wife and a good mother? How is your sexual history? Is it reasonable so the man can trust in your fidelity and not fear divorce or losing his children to your emotional whims? Will you be satisfied sexually by him and only him without resorting to other measures due to your desensitization of sex in your “prime” years? If things get tough and he loses his job for whatever reason will you support him? These are questions the plumber should consider if he’d marry you. Are you worthy of marriage? What are you bringing to the plumber?

  21. Most of us have had a low point in our lives and it usually had to do with a female. Each of us has dealt with it in our own ways in some form or another. Many have struggled through it and have rose above it and learned from past experiences. Others have unfortunately taken their own lives or the lives of others when presented with no hope or option to escape the personal hell they are currently in. Allowing us to become the best we can be is the key but the path is littered with so many roadblocks, some guys have a hard time finding their way in life.

  22. I didn’t realise prostitution was illegal there, I’ve been saying to people the last few days he should have just gone to a parlour and those hot girls could have been working there anyway and I have no doubt it could have helped, but prevented? who knows …

  23. With all the money this Kid was swimming in, it never occurred to him that a 3 month sabbatical outside of the U.S. (particularly Brazil) might have cured his sex problems??

    1. There’s a difference between paying a whore to fuck you and getting a girl to want to fuck you. Most men want women to WANT to fuck them.
      It wasn’t just about getting laid with this kid. He wanted to be desired.

      1. More so, he thought he was entitled to be desired. He deserved it. Because of reason.
        And when he realized he couldn’t have what he wanted and thought he’d deserve, he got frustrated and blamed others for it.
        And shot them.

  24. As a young man, I could not get laid either. Eventually, I developed a drug addiction to help deal with the rejection/pain. It took years to get clean and caused tons of damage to myself and my family.
    Looking back, I realize that instead of killing others, I chose to kill myself.
    Good article, Roosh. Hopefully, more Americans will wake up to the logic, and empathy, in the points you made.

  25. Elliot Rodger thought getting a hot woman was the greatest ideal.
    PUAs like Roosh think the same thing.
    Elliot Rodger thought “Alpha Male” was some kind of ideal rather than like most normal accepting that there are things of value in the world. PUAs like Roosh define value by the amount and quality of hot women you can get.
    Elliot Rodger believed he was a loser if he wasn’t with or close to getting with a hot woman. PUAs believe the same thing.
    Elliot Rodger was an avid reader of RSDNation, bb.com, a subscriber to various pua channels. His posts on puahate were few and far between and generally amounted to calling their theories mostly bullshit. Judging by his manifesto he seems to believe in the PUA ideal of “alpha male” quite strongly.
    But all of that is bullshit.
    Everyone posts on websites these days. The next school shooter will
    have a posting history. Chances are they will be fucked up posts. It
    means nothing. Stupid people blame guns, video games, literature, etc.
    He was mentally ill. That was why he killed people. The people who knew him didn’t intervene in time.

    1. The problem in this world, sure as heck is not that people do not “intervene” enough in the lives of others. I’m sure the usual drones will call for “closer supervisions”, “more programs”, more “trust of the professionals/shrinks”, blah blah. In short, more meddling.
      Here’s a thought: In a nation of 300 million people, some die sometimes. It’s sensible to go to some lengths to minimize the chances that it is you on any given day, but other than that, honestly, aside from those directly affected, who cares? People die and leave grieving relatives every bloody day. Which is no excuse whatsoever to even hint that our lives are not being “intervened” in way too much as it is.

  26. This is disgusting. People have died because of this man and his choices. There are a number of things you could blame, him being the first, and then poor mental health care, and people of this generation having an entitled attitude. Women did not cause this by not fucking him. You are not entitled to another human being. You are not entitled to me. Women are humans not sex things that men are entitled to and a failure to see that, a failure that is promoted on this site, is what caused these deaths.

    1. Don’t worry sweetheart once you hit the wall at 30 no Men are going to see you as a sex object anymore anyway.. Be careful what you wish for!

      1. Remember the rules guys.
        No Replying to cuntresses. Its on the main page. You will be banned.

      2. I don’t want a man who only cares about my looks. Not that it matters, b/c I am happily in an ltr. I really think you missed the point of what I wrote: it is wrong to view any human as some sort of object that you are entitled to. If you can’t agree with that, i guess there’s no point of having a discussion

    2. Human Biology –> Your feelz.
      If you aren’t interested in fucking men, before too long men won’t be interested in doing anything for you, like civilisation.

      1. Why can’t we? Reasoning with them’d probably make us look better than running away.
        And great article!

        1. I see your point, but I guess in order to keep this a healthy male space we need to keep the fems out. It’s not like they understand our line of thinking anyway, it’s just not in their biology.

        2. Well, it’s not like you understand our point of view, either. This makes me want to get a gun and shoot you.

        3. The arguments get long and annoying…
          It is just more productive to be all male here.

        4. It’s a pointless endeavor. They’re here to infiltrate and get you used to their presence. Then slowly start pushing their agenda until this place is no longer useful for it’s intended purpose.
          That or they derail threads with their endless bullshit.

        5. Plus they all sound the same. Shallow, meaningless and repetitive drivel.
          I have no interest in reading comments from females.

        6. If every woman left this “space”, forever (as will happen as more and more members whine for our comments to be taken down), it would be FAR from healthy. You all are so emotionally crippled, I don’t know if any of you can be helped. Even so, it helps none of you to link up and stroke each other’s dysfunction. This reminds me of how pedophiles hook up via Internet to validate each other. Their sickness grows with each new enabling member, as does yours.

        7. Who do you think you are to speak in this haughty manner to men? Do you really believe yourself our equal or superior? Were it not for the MASSIVE federal government and its laws, – enforced by men, mainly on men – you would be lying on the floor right now spitting out your teeth and begging for forgiveness! How DARE you, you inferior she-dog even consider yapping your filthy little maw!

        8. I’m superior to you. That much is blatantly clear. You, Sir, are of poor quality; mentally, intellectually, and I am betting physically and professionally. So, keep on blathering (though it should have gotten you banned, according to the rules), and continue to confirm that to me and everyone.

        9. A preponderant obsession with rules and laws is the mark of a slave, NOT a free man. You drone on and on about the rules but you do not understand one of the most basic ones. Which is, women should be like children, seen and not heard! Some biiitches NEVER learn! After lying on the floor spitting out your teeth you are not begging for forgiveness, you are STILL haughty and proud with a lip I don’t like!

        10. Oh I get laid! After I rape your children in front of you I will grab them by their ankles and dash their precious little heads against the stone floor like they were a rag doll! Just like Pancho Villa! Viva La Revolucion!!! Strength! Power! Wealth! To Strong Males! Servitude and drudgery for the women, slaves and weaklings!!!

        11. Sorry, let me amend that–you’ll never get laid by anyone who actually WANTS you.

        12. Who cares if a WOMAN wants me. Women are only good for a couple of things and not very good at even those. Your filthy mouths and sharp tongues get in the way of ANYONE having ANY happiness. At age 30 all women should be hung, then there would be happiness in the land!

        1. I hope that isn’t the same Kate I’ve seen all over various manosphere blogs.
          Jesus, get a life.

      2. Please don’t moderate posts where women threaten men. That post to AngryWhiteMail should stay up as an example.

      3. Do you also ban females who comment? After all, what’s the point in allowing their bait?

    3. Sorry but men are human too, and civilization was built on a set of rules meant to channel male testosterone in healthy ways so that we could all benefit.
      The social contract between the sexes has been broken, and there simply aren’t enough good men left who want to clean up the mess.

      1. Standard cunt operating procedure;
        Insult, brag about being in a happy LTR or being married’
        Cuntresses please.

    4. Roosh I plead for mercy on the ban hanmar but this needs a response as too many up votes have given it some credability.The man was not a rapist. That would say that he felt entitled to “your” body. His mind was not just on sex. He wanted a date (as per manifesto) not a venereal infested hooker. He wanted the soft touch of a women not the scornful looks of being a leppar. All that would have been required was a date, something that doesn’t even require women to put out. How hard is that, to have the time of day for a fellow human being! Women who ask me out even when they don’t scrub up I give them the time of day.

      1. So basically i am supposed to go on a date with anyone who is interested in me?

        1. Yes. I’m going to bring up natural selection again. I don’t think these guys attributes are meant to move on into our next gene pool. Nature is clever, more clever than you misogynists.

    5. Which is why we need sex workers. Lack of legal prostitution caused this.

    6. This has too many up votes for no response. If he was a rapist that would entail he felt entitled to “your” body. He was a kid treated like shit by a system that promotes pussy worship and he was at the American Mecca of it ( Hollywood). A simple smile for one of his simpleton gestures to gain your attention would have stopped this kid going off the wall.

    7. thanks for posting this. this whole game thing is such a sad joke. folks don’t even realize how ridiculous and sad they are, and the framing of this demented murderer’s misogynistic motivations in these terms is self-serving and reprehensible.

    8. Meanwhile, princess cupcake is entitled to all sorts of stuff, isn’t she?

    9. This is just amazing. I believe social scientists should be studying websites like this and men like this. I am in shock an awe that a group of people can be be so narcissistic, arrogant, entitled yet suffer from such low self-esteem, feelings of worthlessness, and truly believe they are oppressed. I am just glad I am lucky enough not to have to deal with them in real life! All the men I know are truly confident, intelligent, reasonable, pro-women, egalitarian, attractive, supportive, loving, kind….. I can go on and on. Maybe it’s because it’s their natural personalities and not something they are forcing that women are honestly attracted to them. You’re reference to a game implies that it is all fantasy. You will never be happy living like that.

    10. Yes! The spirit of PUA and PUAhate are the same…that women are sex things that men are entitled to. And that other men are nothing but competition. They just happen to approach it differently, but their worldview is the same. This guy has no room to talk.

    11. Yeah, my jobs is to get fucked so the world won’t collapse around us? I can’t believe this is a line of logic for some people (note, very, very, very, very few people thank goodness). Do yourself a favour and don’t bother posting. You may as well have a conversation with the wind.
      For some reason a news site linked here; I hope they remove it.
      Take care, hon – the world can be a scary place, but these extreme case are only that – extreme.
      Edit: just read this site had been flagged by the university; going to delete what I can of my comments…

      1. Yeah, my jobs is to get fucked so the world won’t collapse around us?

        You got it! I shudder to think what would happen if every woman in the world refused to sleep with me. I mean, what would become of you???

        1. Probably nothing. I have a higher chance of dying on the 401 commuting into work.
          Statistically speaking, Canada is pretty good. Sure, not exciting as USA, but reasonably good.
          Stephen Harper is our biggest concern, which, honestly isn’t so bad. Fiscal conservatives – can’t live with em. can’t live without em.

    12. And the nominees for the best feminazis in a dramatic role are:
      illy
      Alyssa Moh
      Lolz
      And the award goes to:….
      Wait, why do femicunts deserve an award for posting on a men’s site?
      CANCELLED!!!

    13. Indeed, remember it to the stupid modern women that act just like futile sex things too.

    14. Well, I blame Jennifer Lawrence a bit and will boycott any of her films. All she had to do is give this guy a blowjob and this violence would have been avoided.If the choice was between 6 people dying and just giving this guy some sex would she have done it? The press should ask her this question. Is her precious pussy worth 6 lives? It’s not like he’d wear it out and it would be as good as new. After all, how do you think she even got those roles? By her talent?

    15. Bullshit if he was a rapist that would imply a sense of entitlement to your body. This was not the case!

  27. Roosh nailed it here. Almost all of these mass killings in the last 20 years have been committed by sexually frustrated young males. Why does American society refuse to see the connection?
    It’s one thing to write off awkward men as a viable candidate for dating, sex, whatever…rejection happens, it’s just part of life. But MSM and feminists simultaneously shame such men who attempt to improve themselves by learning “game”- really just a euphemism for good social skills with women. Is it any wonder that monsters like Eliot Rodgers are produced as a result?

  28. you know what is so funny about this?
    now that this kid killed people for not getting laid, girls actually wanna lay him! All I hear from girls in my campus is how hot he is.
    It just shows the mentality of women and how delusional they are.

    1. That’s how depraved American females are. But girls wanting to fuck him now is not a big issue. Women wanted to fuck Ted Bundy when he was in prison, even though he assraped and killed so many women. The thing is that American women are descended from whores from Europe to the New World to populate this continent. The whore gene which liked criminals, killers, sociopaths, dangerous men has never died through generations of American women, even though the ancestors of American women were whores who were later ‘reformed’. The whore gene now shows itself in the sluttiness of American women who want to fuck bad boy Alpha males. And it won’t and will never change. American women are beyond hope and will never change.
      Secondly, American women are dysfunctional necrophiliacs who want to fuck martyrs and dead people – even though they wouldn’t fuck them when these people were alive. Psychotic attention whores really, who want to get publicity by ‘missing’ him after his death. Elliot Rodger’s was a psycho, but the girls who want to fuck him now are even bigger psychos.

        1. Look into epigenetics. If you’re truly interested, I can suggest some reading on it. It clearly shows how the experiences of the parents alter the behaviors of the offspring. The generally accepted lifespan of a parent’s strong experiences is about 7-8 generations.
          So, it’s not that women are doomed forever, it’s just that you’d need a few generations of honorable behavior to start the cycle of epigenetic change bringing about the new behaviors. Unfortunately, based on today’s visible behaviors, that 8 generation thing seems like it hasn’t changed directions, instead it’s accelerating in the whorish direction.

      1. A great movie that illustrates the utterly-mind boggling herd mentality/obsession with the dead for sake of knowing that person after they died is World’s Greatest Dad. Every time there was a death in school; all the bitches would run to the facebook of whoever it was and say “I didn’t know you but I’m sure you were a great person…” I mean there were actual family members that had to deal with these sociopaths that would paint their windows and shit saying “R.I.P. this guy/girl I didn’t know” blah blah Attention whoring at its most shameless. SIck.

  29. He left a damn memoir.
    This just gave the feminists something to wag their tongues over.
    RIP to all the victims.

  30. I myself, like most I suspect, have only skimmed a few articles, tweets, and headlines. Has anyone here actually fully read on this breaking scandal? Feminists seem eager to paint both a PUA, an MRA, as many of their political enemies as feasible. They obviously have a agenda and want to profit politically, it doesn’t mean that their wrong but that they have strong incentive to stretch the truth as far as possible. There is an epidemic of TLDR. People can’t possibly have the time to process all the information and messages that being thrown at them, but they are compelled to take a side in these absurd propaganda contests. People don’t and can’t read shit but they still need to be political partisans and struggle against their political enemies (Moldbug did a great essay about this phenomenon here). It seems very tenuous to call the guy an MRA or PUA if his only link to the manosphere is through PUAHate, a site jezelbel dishonestly described as a “site for failed pickup artists” rather then accurately describing it as an anti-PUA site. Does he have any links to the manosphere at all? This isn’t a rhetorical question, I would actually be interested in having a convo ITT with someone more fully read up on this.

    1. Jezebel and those feminazi websites are best left unmentioned and unread

      1. Agreed. Websites, comment sections, twitter, the world over are filling up with comments that essentially all say “ah ha you see, he is MRA! You see we need to put a stop to them!” They may or may not be correct, but I think most of these people haven’t read shit. They read, at most, a single blog post and a few tweets and the rest is just confirmation bias. If the internet means that we are all the media now, that has both good and bad aspects but for the most the most part it means the quality of research is going to shit and the noise to signal ratio is exploding.

        1. Yeah. I can see it now.
          The little twitter tramps got bored of “Bring our girls home” so now it will be #BanTheManosphere

    2. I have been thoroughly researching it. I will read every word of his 140 page manifesto. I might want to write an article on it, but it will take time for me, because I am not a naturally good writer. However, I have picked up on some things about Elliot that other commentators have not mentioned, and I would like to share them eventually.

    3. I spent the evening reading all 137 pages of it. He specifically mentions PUAHate.com.
      This morning I read that someone suspected of being him was banned for inappropriate behavior from the RooshV forum, but I have no way of knowing what the truth actually is. In any event, he was mentally whacked. This kid had everything going for him except mental issues. The irony of flying on Virgin Atlantic seems to have been lost on him…
      This guy wasn’t PUA; he was anti-PUA. But watch the feminists media invert reality…
      (and Moldbug rules!)

  31. Bad Economy = No Jobs. No Jobs = No Money. No Money = No Honey. No Honey = Elliot Rodger.
    Sadly, there are countless young men like this brewing in the USA.

  32. Elliot Rodger proves that people with Aspergers are inherently drawn to PUAs, and Roosh proves that PUAs are only too happy to oblige. Rather than referring them to a psychiatrist Roosh would happily take a mentally ill person under his “wing”, for a fee of course.
    Roosh, mentally ill serial killers kill because they are mentally ill. It’s not video games, literature, the people they talk to online, the sites they hang out on. It’s that they are mentally ill, without supervision and given access to weapons.
    You think you can cure these people? You’re an idiot. They’ll still kill people, only now people will blame you.

    1. I am autistic and I have learned a lot from this site. You are obviously the mentally ill person here. BTW, autism and aspergers in not a mental illness, it is a form of neurodiversity.

  33. Also, I think part of the reason lies in how the sexual dynamic is dictated to young men – If you make an advance on a woman and she doesn’t like it, it’s rape. If you have sex with her and she’s had a drink, it’s rape. If she regrets having sex with you later – rape.
    Given this structure, the young man decides that making advances on women – the one thing most likely to result in success – just isn’t worth the risk. So what does he do? He follows the female dynamic and tries to ‘look pretty’ by buying goods, expensive cars and thinking that a woman will then hit on HIM. This of course, doesn’t work, and he then ends up going crazy.

    1. Good post.
      The feminists who’ve created this rape hysteria didn’t replace the old-school way of sexual relations with any kind of alternative… There is no standard etiquette at all.
      Back in the day (based on what my folks have told me) you asked a girl to hang out and went to the movies… grabbed a bite to eat… wrote her poetry… drove her home… kissed her… made a move. She would actually understand that you’re attracted to her. If it worked out great if it didn’t oh well… but you weren’t just a total loser for being a regular person… and she didn’t try to annihilate you socially.
      Nowadays I feel like the only way that many North American girls have sexual relations is to get totally drunk or fucking high. Its as if she doesn’t want to take responsibility for sharing that moment with a guy. As a guy it is depressing kuz its like “why am I as the person that I am not enough? I don’t need to get fucking high to share a good time with you”…
      Nowadays you can’t take any pride in it… she probably woulda fucked the next dude who fed her drugs… I know plenty of guys who get a lot of action with this method… kuz it works… but they don’t wife up those girls…

      1. They get drunk/high because it’s cool and they can deny any behavior that might be criticized because they weren’t sober at the time.
        It falls in line with ALL the tactics they use to avoid any and all consequences. Until it doesn’t work, they’ll continue.

    2. I think we should start promoting binding contracts for sex with women. You can act like it’s a joke. She’ll be like “you’re joking? right haha” and you’re like “just sign it you wimp” playfully and she’ll go along with the game. Then when she goes to reach for her gun, you’ve already got yours under the table. I honestly think this is the only viable option as “barbaric and cartoony” as it may seem. They want to fight us with paper, we should fight with paper too.

  34. What’s so often repeated in the manosphere is that 20% of men are getting 80% of the sex in an environment where female hypergamy is largely unconstrained. Maybe 60% of the males can have a kind-of-reasonable sex life, that still leaves 40% without. See a problem? Is the solution for lower males in polygamous Middle-Eastern countries to learn game?
    Maybe Elliot could have breached the top 20% – given the family he was born into and his connections, he might have even been in the top 1%. However, this would only desensitise women to game, and push other men out of their brackets.
    The problem isn’t the absence of game, the problem is the societal structure in general.

    1. I agree. Game is great, and we should admire the men who work their way into that 20%, but it goes without saying that most will not make it.

    2. The remaining 80% of men stuck scrambling for the remaining 20% of sex, will still “get some”, as long as the average woman insists on “experimenting her way” to notch counts putting Bangkok streetwalkers to shame.
      If, as some has hinted, that what this guy really sought, was to be loved by someone still capable of loving, now that’s a whole ‘nother story, with infinitely worse odds than the 80-20.

  35. This event might bring the Red Pill and the Manosphere mainstream attention. Too sad it had to happen this way.
    This guy just needed so little Red Pill truth to avoid this. I can understand why some boil over and explode.
    People call him “psycho” but why would he feel pity for someone who was never the slightest friendly to him. People who only showed contempt and hate towards him.
    I would never do anything like this myself but I would never feel sadness or similar if a busload of entitled Western bitch princesses fell off a cliff. Why would I ? There’s simply no reason.
    Not that I condone it but women do not know they play with dynamite .

    1. I would have been kind to him, he just needed a friend to show him the ropes 🙁

      1. Problem was his location.
        California, fucking narcissistic liberal feminist shithole.

        1. Southern California in particular is the most jaded and shallow place in the universe. This kid grew up in an environment where money, fancy cars, giant houses, and striking good looks are valued over any content of character of substance.
          He had all of those things and was naturally very confused at why he wasn’t getting any action.

        2. He also went to school at a college with it’s own beach…. With weather allowing the female progeny of “good looking people” to frolic there….. Probably not most accommodating environment for someone sexually frustrated. Even worse, it’s also perhaps the SoCal campus where coming from money, and driving a BMW, is the least valued by women. Leaving good looks, and especially social skills and game, even bigger differentiators than most everywhere else.

        3. His car was better than the one of his peers, however he was not rich compared to them. He got his car fairly late, I think he was 21. He wrote that his mom moved to another house and while it was still quite large, it was enough for his peers to laugh at him for being poor.

        4. I am also a firm believer in location. Location, location, location. I have trouble getting laid in America, but when I go back home to Brazil I have no trouble at all. My cousins are all the same way too. Couldn’t get laid in America if their lives depended on it, but plow through women back home.

        5. Yep….
          I just got back from a few days in Santa Barbara, and it looks like a really tough town to roll pussy in, if you are not 100% alpha red-pill.
          Don’t get bogged down by the fact that he killed people. That is an irrelevant consideration.
          Obama, Putin, McCain, and most Marines (and all your other American ‘heroes’), have killed thousands more than Elliot. So unless you are prepared to criticize all your veterans, then don’t hold killing people against Elliot.

      2. Same. It saddens me that young men in their earliest years of Game (16-22) have such over-inflated ideals about sex and love.

        1. Over inflated ? he was a virgin, he simply wanted a girlfriend or at least have sex once in a while. How the fuck is that over inflated !?

        2. He just wanted a fucking date. One date.
          Cunty cuntresses couldnt even give him that.

        3. he mentioned the word blonde like 150 times in his manifesto, he wanted to fuck hot blonde cheerleaders while he himself, a half asian dyed his hair blonde his entire childhood to look like the ‘normal’ white people

        4. And that is over inflated ? what enormous value does blonde cheerleaders represent ?

        5. well a hot tall blonde cheerleader is among the top 10% of women in terms of looks, these women have choices and Elliot just cant compete, he was average looking, no personality, crazy and even in terms of money he was average compared to his peers

        6. YEa well, maybe its the dumb blonde bimbo cheerleaders value that is over inflated.

        7. 10% of looks ? why is she better looking than asian, blacks, lationos etc ? that is a ,matter of taste. Or perhaps blonde is OVER INFLATED. I think they are because most of them have no ass, no libs, no tittis.
          Black girls and latina girls beats them in everything womanly.

        8. Yeah but if you get a nice shapely blonde haired blue eyed girl with big lips and a great ass… who will suck on you like she needs it for oxygen…
          There is something special about that… xD

        9. Perhaps. Or maybe not. Doesnt matter really But its stupid to say that they are too good for him and he should lower his expectations. Like they are some kind of goddesses they are just human.

        10. He probably would’ve raped her at gun point. That guy needed a shrink, not a girl.

        11. He had several therapists I believe. The mental problems weren’t it. The PUAHate-mindset is to blame for a lot of his pent up aggressiveness.

        12. I mean I do not value looks as much as most other people but
          sex = looks , at least for guys,
          he wanted the hottest women when he was skinny, short, average looking and super crazy and on top of that he wanted them to approach him, of course that is too much to ask for :/// unfortunately

        13. He wasn’t willing to make the self-improvements necessary. He wanted the world to change to his expectations. He wasn’t willing to work for what he wanted. He didn’t deserve it.

        14. He could have gone to one of the 3rd world northern countries and found some hot blond lady. He was just to lazy and felt no work should have been required to get what he wanted.

        15. Blue eyes are bland and cold-looking, half the time you can’t even tell if they even have irises, they’re so light. Blond hair is just outright boring and overdone.
          Blond hair and blue eyes are symbolic of the stuck-up, entitled, ditzy, cuntress that fills a big portion of western society’s women. Most of them have the shapeless body found in young boys, either that or it’s plastic. But you are right about one thing – they are pretty slutty. Also, transexuals often go for the blond-blue look for some reason…

        16. Only for non-whites who have such deep insecurities they have to hunt white women.

        17. This is true. I think green eyes are the sexiest; second would be brown. Always preferred brunettes and even though I say green, I had a girlfriend once that had brown eyes and bangs and just an adorably feminine, rounded face and I would take her over a blonde haired-blue eyed girl any day of the week.

        18. If he had been worth dating, they would have. Whiners don’t cut it, no matter how expensive their shades.

      3. That was his Fathers job. His Father must be a loser too. Attorney or not, that motherfucker failed everybody. Allowing His son to be a 22 year old virgin but bought Him a BMW? His Dad should be shamed.

        1. His dad should have seen the problem with his kid and took him to Pattaya on his 18th birthday. TBH, I am not sure it would have helped much, the kid was in pretty bad shape, but at least the dad would have known he tried to help. I have a grandson and if he wants I will be sure to take him on a sex tour when he turns 18.

    2. Just try to imagine it… rejection, no love, no sex, everyone thinks you’re a loser… from ages 15-22… and you think you’re doing everything you’re supposed to to earn that basic human necessity. That is 7 YEARS at least of building resentment and insanity.
      I’m not saying oooohhh poor poor Elliot… the little shit murdered innocent people… I’m saying as a society we need to be able to talk about the dirty underbelly of our PC Mommy State. Otherwise, who knows? Fempocalypse? Misandry Bubble?
      The younger generation is gonna grow up into either nihilists, omegas, or brilliant entrepreneurs… I wouldn’t bet on the last one.

    3. This dude was an extreme case. That’s what makes him a psycho. If it were a father who had his children, assets, pretty much his life taken from him, it would seem much more appropriate (not condoning it however).
      He had diagnosed mental problems. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have flipped out over some other issue?
      Despite the majority here, I don’t think he should be held up as an example.

  36. We live in a society that now vilifies men–sitcoms are based on a family consisting of Wise, Put-Together Mother, Precocious Child and, Doofus Dad who is a Danger To Himself and Others–a society where perfectly natural, biological impulses that men have are now Thought Crimes. The vast majority of men are going to be able to cope, as men do, but this sort of thing is going to push outliers, like this nut, over the edge. This is not to excuse him for his crimes, but as you sow, so shall you reap.
    À bientôt,
    Mistral

    1. Notice how all the wimmins get wet in the panties for Don Draper as opposed to Ted Mosby though. It’s so easily observed that women want dominant men that don’t give a shit about them emotionally. I don’t have a problem with this but I do have a problem with them not admitting it. Any liar in the face of honesty is always an annoyance of a human being.

  37. I just about spit my scotch out through my nose when I saw that there is a site dedicated to hating PUA! And this kid was a member? Really? The very thing that would have helped him most was the thing that he hated? Sad…

    1. The site was for people who were disgruntled with game and had presumably spent money on products or bootcamps without the resulting success with women they had hoped for. It doesn’t take much imagination to conclude that it probably began to attract anyone who resented gamers, whether they had tried to apply its principles or not, read any of its materials or not, or attended any courses or not.

  38. The kid needed psychiatric help more than anything else. His lack of success with women was due to his awful personality – no amount of game would have fixed that.
    However, you do nail one of the problems with Western society and that is there would probably be more kids like him not because they are bad or anything but because they may be a little bit shy or awkward or even just won’t be able to literally smack a woman’s ass to get her attention. Them seeking any modicum of help is seen as the devil yet people don’t realise that speaking to women is two things: playing a number’s game and a skill that you can learn. Trying saying this to men who believe in “the one” or crap like that.
    Society needs to take responsibility for once and not politicise it.

  39. Those disgusting Frankfurt Marxist poverty pimps in the SPLC should all be thrown in jail for life.

  40. Real good article. Yes obviously these type of killings will happen again. Sadly “actions” taken against it will be in the form of “stop sexists and misogynists on campus” flyers etc. The media will never reveal the real Red Pill truth. Thus the killings will go on.

  41. Roosh-I believe you predicted that this is the year the “manosphere” goes mainstream.
    Like most stock market breaks, they do happen
    Just never the way you predict

  42. What everyone seems to overlook is how Elliot Rodger most likely suffered from Asperger’s and/or Narcissistic Personality Disorder, among a slew of other disorders and while I’m a staunch advocate of game, Game isn’t a cure for Asperger’s and/or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
    With his type of money, he could have hired a high-end agency escort to pretend to enjoy his company and it wouldn’t have fed this tool’s massive ego because he had a God Complex.
    The thing about psychopaths is that even if a million women are interested in them, they eventually end up killing a few people (Ex. Ted Bundy).

    1. Not every psychopath turns to violence. You have to have not only the right gene (and have it bathed in seratonin during development) but also there has to be exposure to trauma (typically maltreatment as a child). If you look for “Jim Fallon” (who is a neuroscientist who studies pyschopaths) and “serial killer” you will find an excellent TED talk on the subject.
      À bientôt,
      Mistral

      1. If you look for “Jim Fallon” (who is a neuroscientist who studies pyschopaths) and “serial killer” you will find an excellent TED talk on the subject

        Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll check it out.

        1. Do you think game can help someone with mild Asperger’s to connect with women socially? Not a feminist troll. Not rhetorical. I really am interested in this discussion as I think I may have slight autistic symptoms when it comes to social situations.

        1. I was speaking specifically about Fallon. You will find Ronson also.
          À bientôt,
          Mistral

    2. I think the Asperger’s thing was a misdiagnosis, judging from the video. People with Asperger’s are socially out of it; it’s a weak version of autism. His video made it clear that in his case it was pure social awkwardness. I should know because I was misdiagnosed as having it several years ago, although not by a professional.

    3. Thank you for not jumping to myopic conclusions like every other moron on this site.
      The manifesto is a one-sided document written by someone mentally ill. It holds no water until it’s at least fact checked.
      If you really think this is how it all went down in reality, you’ve never dealt with mentally ill people before.
      Oh, and you’re a fucking myopic idiot.

    4. Listen to psychologists, and you will hear that half the world has Aspergers. And the rest has ADHD.
      He should have just hunkered down in that BWM, dropped the guns, held out his hands, and pleaded insanity.
      And he would have been showered with pussy.

  43. Honestly i think it’s sick… I can relate to the frustration of holding out and not receiving any love/sex but to murder and kill on the basis of that just goes to show how damaging the PUA hater influence is. To think that anyone can try and condone this or justify that it was the blonde sluts fault makes me sick. Yeah, they could have been cuntresses or bitches or whatever you want to call them but they shouldn’t feel like they have to go on a date with him out of fear for their lives. Girls are being fucking shot when they say no to prom. If you think it can be excusable to anyone other than Rodger, I can’t help but disagree. Being afraid to say no to a man out of fear is not what I want my game to be. He could have been creepy/weird around girls and it’s kind of understandable why they weren’t throwing themselves at him (to be completely honest). Game is important and being rich/attractive is not all that there is to it. The ‘obnoxious brutes’ he hated so much were the kind of guys who have swallowed the red pill and knew what sluts would go for. I agree with a lot on this website, great article and all, but I don’t think anyone should be trying to excuse murder on the girls like ‘oh, they should’ve given him a chance’ even in the slightest. Just my two cents.

    1. Females have lost all respect for men these days. We are clowns, to entertain them. We are walking ATM’s. Human dildos.
      Cuntresses – Get off your stupid smartphones are really start treating people with “equality”. You at least acknowledge there are other people in the world than yourselves. Give people a nod, a small smile. Dont worry, nobody will think you are leading them on. Just show a little respect for fellow human beings instead of walking around with your fucking noses in the air.
      The bullshit PC buzzword “Equality” – They love to throw it around but dont want anyone to be “equal” to their Pussy Cartel and favorable treatment in the education and job world.

      1. I agree with everything you said, but what does that have to do with the fact that women shouldn’t be saying yes to guys they have no sexual attraction to for fear of being physically hurt? If the world we live in is one where fear is more important than having game… that’s just fucked up.

        1. You are probably a woman posting under ‘Jack’, but regardless, the truth is that a lot of women would actually get turned on by the fact that a man might physically hurt them if he didn’t get his way. Don’t believe me? 80% or so of womens erotic literature is about being subjugated by force, closely followed by rape fantasies.
          You can deny this all you want, but women get turned on over violence. Every guy who was in a fight in high school will attest to this.

    1. He THOUGHT he was a nice guy. He wasn’t. Anyone who thinks they are ‘magnificent’ and cannot conceive any idea why women wouldn’t want to fuck him is not a ‘nice guy’. He was the same as any ‘obnoxious brute’ he talked about except for the fact he tried to act otherwise and didn’t get laid.

      1. Why do you think he was not a nice guy? I have been reading his memoir and I can not tell. He seemed pretty normal to me, and he was probably a humble person, which is part of being genuinely nice.
        He probably did not think he was that “magnificent” either. He probably head grandiose thoughts. He definitely had low self esteem.
        I do not think it is a terrible thing to feel “entitled” to sex. It is a basic biological need.

        1. Based on his videos (I watched all of them yesterday) he came across as quite arrogant. Sad, yes, but arrogant nonetheless. He specifically said something along the lines of ‘I mean, I’m magnificent. It’s an injustice [that women wouldn’t have sex with him].’ Sex is a biological need but I would argue you need to somehow earn it, nothing crazy, but a bit of game.

        2. Then he could have taken his “entitled” feeling ass into a chat room. I don’t care how entitled someone feels to have sex with someone else, that someone else is not obligated to give it to them.

        3. FWIW, Dr. Robert Glover in his book No More Mr. Nice Guy, argues that nice guys are not really nice b/c they’re not being honest with themselves and others about what they want, are trying to manipulate people into feeling guilty, etc.

        4. I wish those of your ilk would argue with as much fervor in favor of abolishing taxes, but consistency is hard isn’t it?

        5. Problem is Joe, is that our early human ancestors, the males that is, raped when they wanted to. Not justifying it, but what do you think men like Richard the Lionheart, Caesar, Genghis Khan and Charlemagne were doing in conquered territories or when they’re wives told them “no”? You think these “busy” men took time out of their day of conquering and civilization building to placate their mistresses, wives or conquered whores in foreign lands? No. This is how the male human evolved. Now, in this day and age, women supposedly “control” sex, because we allow them to, through the protection of men and the laws we set up and rightfully so, but let’s not forget it wasn’t that long ago, when raping your slaves, or conquered women was a right of civilizational passage. Game is relatively new on the scene. So yes, sex for men is a biological need that Christianity sought to subdue in the Western male, but nonetheless a need second to food, water and breathing. Make no mistake though, the future will not forebode well for women in the West, if they think the average male will continue to placate their selfishness and denying of access to the womb. I think as any species, the males will have a breaking point as the story of the “Rape of the Sabines” correctly illustrates.

        6. Correct. Might ultimately makes right. This is as true for the state as it is for the individual. The comfort of modern life has given too many of us, even in this comment thread, the luxury to forget this basic fact of life.
          Whether or not he should have worked more to acquire his goal, or whether or not his actions were justified, or what have you, none of these things are relevant.
          The point is that he did do what he did. Just as any of us can also do whatever we want, as long as we’re willing to live (or die) with the consequences.
          So what are we going to do about it?

        7. With a female troll named “Tisha” – I would doubt she even pays taxes. Probably just another loud-mouthed nigress collecting welfare and foodstamps – if not working at a government job.

    2. Yup and women justify that men shouldn’t treat them with an ounce of respect for the exact same reason as to what followed in the aftermath of Elliot Rodger’s death. Pre-death= no sex Post death= oh you bad boy, how sexy, only if you were alive! The fact that women fuck convicts who’ve serial killed, raped and molested with the utmost glee and affection, tells me everything I need to know about their souls. Old religion had it right, the devil does not proceed too far from them as a sex.
      “Woman is a temple built over a sewer, the gateway to the devil. Woman, you are the devil’s doorway. You should always go in mourning and in rags.” – Tertullian
      “In childhood a women must be subject to her father; in youth, to her husband; when her husband is dead, to her sons. A woman must never be free of subjugation.”
      ~Hindu Code of Mann

      1. Love the Hindu quote. Only after all three of those subjugations occur, will she be able to reflect back upon her life as an old woman and say, “what a blessed life I had!”
        Modern women have been taught to despise all three of these subjugations, and the result is widespread consumption of anti-anxiety medicines and spiritual confusion–to name but a few.

        1. I can foresee the history books now, when the collapse of Western Civilization is written:
          “Starting around the year, 1968 CE, the women were in open rebellion against the men, a rebellion that undermined the very fabric of society and natural law. The men instead of quelling this rebellion, instead funded it privately to supposedly boost the economy to allow women to work. Many men also sought to placate them by joining their cause and creating special rights and privileges for them. These men unwittingly sowed the seeds of decline by first allowing them to vote, secondly giving them freedom from men and lastly enthroning them as goddesses over a formally glorious patriarchy. As a result, morality broke down with the aid of the media, and civil unrest soon followed. etc etc.”

  44. “Diagnosed with Asperger’s, he clearly exhibited narcissistic and sociopathic traits that no doubt prevented him from empathizing with others.”
    Dang, that’s me–yet somehow I ended up a natural several decades ago. Maybe if you combine bluepill with narcissism and sociopathy and aspergers and progressivist parents, you get mass murder.

    1. Elliot Rogers was a spoilt little shit. He spend his entire life getting what he wanted, when he couldn’t get what he wanted – in this case sex, he threw a tantrum and decided to punish innocents for his own failings in personality and a very insecure and fragile ego. Having grown up with Aspergers and having it myself – I don’t believe it was to blame, nor should it be used to justify the shooting.

  45. One major recurrent factor I see in all these frustrated mass murdering betas is a lack of close male friends whom they can confide in or share their problems with and not feel judged. Choi Seung Hee, the Virginia Tech shooter, George Sodini and Elliot Rodgers are all similar in that there were loners. They couldn’t find safe male friends to confide in and instead, stewed in their own mental anguish, narcissism and rage until they become violent. That’s why I’m very grateful for the small tight knit group of guys that I Game with. Because it’s not just about finding close wingmen to meet and have sex with girls. It’s also about sharing your frustrations, hopes and dreams with them in a safe environment where you know that you can count on someone. All these mass shooters never had close friends that they could socialize with or find some kind of support to deal with their anger and frustrations.

    1. Man to find Red Pill male friends is hard. Id say one come around every 5-6 year or so, at least for me. It is in a way very lonely being Red Pill because there’s just no way you can be friend with a blue piller.

      1. Tough, dude. I’m from Kingston, Jamaica and red pill men are all around. Or maybe I just know more of them than the average guy. But I totally agree. Having male friends who think like you is really important.

      2. I try so hard to be a good friend to those blue pill guys. The one said “I don’t want you to tell me about women, because I feel like you’ll tell me things about them that will cause me to like them less.” Loneliness is better than their company.

    2. All my male friends I grew up with, pretty much abandoned the friendship when they got into relationships, even before having kids.
      I may see a text every now and then but I don’t even respond anymore. We all live minutes from each other but to devote an ounce of energy toward connecting with the fellas is too much hassle it seems. Grabbing a bite for like an hour, with someone you haven’t seen in 6 months to a year, is asking to much, lol. Who needs friends like that?
      It seems men behave more and more like women these days. Only contact you or become friendly when they need something, very flaky and unreliable.

  46. The problem with the “game as savior” argument is that female attraction is still zero sum. If all of us had game, whatever your definition of game is, females would just find some other way of separating the haves from the have-nots.
    In other words, we can not all have game any more than we can all be rich.
    The only real solutions are legalized and destigmatized prostitution, or a technological solution such as VR sex or sexbots.

    1. I see your angle and it is interesting, but I think it’s impossible for that level of adaptation.
      There would be no reason for women to come up with a different strategy for filtering the alphas from the betas. If we all had game we’d be living in a patriarchy once again.

    2. First of all, Roosh acknowledges that game is only a stop-gap measure and that wider changes are still needed.
      But actually, game is not at all zero-sum– because the incremental enjoyment of a football jock banging yet another cheerleader is much less than the satisfaction Elliot Rodger would have gotten from having her. Game is somewhat of an equalizer in the male sexual marketplace, and so benefits society as a whole.

    3. Game is not zero sum.
      The reason there are so many fat, cunty, entitled bitches is because the west in general has no game.
      If you were to wave a magic want and gave every man good game over night, there would be a lot of women hitting the gym and fixing their attitude.
      Of course, there are outliers for both men and women who just don’t have a chance (too ugly or disabled).

    4. I think if men had DIGNITY instead of game and would all collectively stop cater to women and run after them like dog slaves, it would help a great deal.
      The countries where men still have pride women are still women. Here ? not so much.

  47. BTW, the problem with this kid isn’t going to be Asperger’s, it’s going to be that he was a malignant narcissist with anti-social personality disorder. That’s how you wind up with “Hannibal Lecter” or “Natural Born Killers”. It was the Asperger’s that kept him from getting laid, but it’s the other stuff that made him kill.
    À bientôt,
    Mistral

    1. I don’t think he had Aspergers. Many socially awkward young men get misdiagnosed as having it. No, in his case, it was social awkwardness. No need for drugs.

      1. I am just going by published reports. I’m not a doctor, unless you count “witch doctor” 😉 Maybe he had it, maybe he didn’t.
        À bientôt,
        Mistral

  48. I heard about this yesterday. Immediately i knew the article was coming.
    However i did not expect it to be this high caliber an article or this thorough and detailed. This is by far the best article i have seen on this website thus far, not that that means anything.

  49. This guy was a pathetic, whiny little bitch. The world is better off without him. Too bad he took 6 others with him.

    1. Whiny little bitch is a bit harsh. Everyone whines before taking the red pill.
      His problem was that he had mental disorders which needed help, as well as an unnatural blue pill indoctrination which destroyed his trust in women when he realized that it wouldn’t get him the poon he wanted.There’d be many more like him out there who don’t have access to red pill yet, but are still being brainwashed by blue pill ideology to deceive men from true female nature. To be true, the world is better off without feminism and blue pill ideology. This kid was just a mentally underdeveloped lost soul in the abyss of feminist society.

      1. Feminism has done a lot of damage, but feminism is not what made him go and kill six people. People need to start accounting for their actions.
        That’s like fat people claiming that fat-shaming is what leads to their obesity. No, cramming your face with Ding Dongs and Twinkies is the reason you’re fat.

        1. And cramming yoga pants and bikinis in his face everyday and treating the kid like shit is the reason he did what he did.
          Its gotta be tough for most young guys out there these days.
          Chicks are such assholes. They have always been so for the most part, but social media and the MSM have amplified it to a dangerous level now.

  50. I’m kinda looking forward to reading CH’s response to this incident.
    His words cut like a knife and are ever so delicious.

  51. The manosphere, PUAs, misogyny are already being blamed for this. I understand the gist of this post, but damn. It seems to have fueled the kind of attention I don’t want to see brought upon forums like this.
    Liberalism seems to be growing stronger all the time and I don’t see an end to it, at least in my lifetime.

  52. Elliot had psychological problems. Game wouldn’t have saved people’s lives. Medication may have. He never even asked a girl out. If he did manage to get a girlfriend he would have a whole new set of things to complain about. If she left him he probably would have killed her. If she stayed he probably would have abused her. Because he was insane. He wasn’t sad or lonely because everybody was mean. He was lonely because he made himself that way by hating people and viewing himself as better than everybody else. He hung onto every bad thing that ever happened to him since childhood. His life was full of privledge, but all he did was cry to his mom and hate other people who were “less” than he was. People tried to tell him why girls might not like him and that material things are not everything, but he didn’t listen. He just said he was awesome and they are jealous. He wanted to kill his little brother. Lots of people have real problems and don’t end up like this. There are people with diseases, ugly people, etc who are REALLY lonely and have real problems, but they don’t end up like him. Because they are not mental. This guy is like the real life Joffery Lanister.

      1. Yeah, fucking nailed it. I thought exactly the same thing. His childhood experience resulting in and combined with his sense of entitlement is the recipe to create a tyrant king.

  53. you roosh you are ugly and a sex tourist and you are talking about game you irani moron

  54. If this kid had access to puahate, it’s probably because he had access to pua information. Unfortunately the redpill scene has a lot in common with pua hate. You both blame society for your lack of success with women. This coming from a guy who runs pickup bootcamps for a living (me) I’m as bought in as they get, but I get men results when they’ve never read any ROK. In fact, I actively have to undo the damage that manosphere blogs do, because they create victim mentality. At least the old pua material was magic pill based, to keep men blindly positive as they progressed.
    Like you said Roosh, a little game would have solved every thing right? If I had eight hours with him infield, he’d have a date for sure. If he had the information, why did he choose to ignore it and blame his society instead? Because society brainwashed him? Because his father was beta? Victim mentality, which I find is one of the common themes of the manosphere is more likely the problem. Not amongst the leaders, but amongst the followers. The “truth” doesn’t help. Blind positivity, belief and optimism does. And the manosphere is just as guilty for lacking here as puahate.

  55. a lot of the attacks from the media have been about ‘male entitlement’ because the guy thought he should have had the girls that were going out with the guys he was jealous of. What this misses though is that his sexual frustration and sense of sexual rejection is exactly the same kind of entitlement, for equality, specifically for equality of outcomes that drives the modern progress movement.
    There is a huge irony here, because what he are seeing is how completely absurd equality becomes when we start to apply it to life in general. Women’s equality, homosexual equality, disabled equality, etc ….there are a never ending variety of ‘equalities’ and the right for frustrated young men to get laid is just another one. We are in other words a society that breeds the sense of entitlement based on the expectation not only of rights, or of equality of opportunity, but of equality of outcome. And if women should enjoy this, why not lonely autistic males as well?
    In fact no-one has entitlements to equality of outcome. Elliott Rodger had a deranged mind, driven by jealousy and latterly hatred. But as someone with aspergers he may also have had a profoundly logical mind. Logical enough to see that it was ‘wrong’ that some kind of equality existed but other kinds of equality (the kind that affected him) did not.
    I personally don’t think the world will be a better place when sex is freely available on Obamacare or the NHS, but Roosh is absolutely right that the right guidance, game might have helped. Why because game, the red pill, is a reality-orientation. It kills the sense of entitlement, the absurd fantasies of equality, of what should be the case with a view to replacing it with a truer perspective of the world, so that one can actually work towards the goals that are important to you.
    The reality is that Elliot Rodger breathed the same putrid, mendacious, wrong-headed air as the rest of progressive, faux egalitarian society, where cultural police-forces ensure that we lie a little bit more with every day that passes. As someone with a logical mind, but without the social & emotional intelligence that can be expected to temper such logic, Elliot Rodger was simply taking his needs to an absurd but logical conclusion. One with truly tragic consequences.

    1. You know, as an autistic person myself, I can see your logic. I never believed in equality of outcome, that idea has always been just to crazy and wacko for me. But if somebody took it as a basic belief, then yes, I could see Elliot truly believing that he deserved to have a beautiful blond haired girl too.

      1. I’ve read most of the manifesto, and looked at the main video. At no point does he question the idea that his failure with girls is unfair. He writes very well, and thoughtfully, yet never seems to question the basic presumption that he should have the same as the objects of his jealousy. He seems to take this as a given. I don’t think he gets this idea from ‘the manosphere’, he gets it from the wider ‘egalitarian’ culture

    2. “I personally don’t think the world will be a better place when sex is freely available on Obamacare or the NHS…”
      I agree with you, but I think we are moving closer and closer to encouraging everyone to sleep around just like in Brave New World.

  56. I have read his manifesto and watched his videos. Some of my thoughts:
    1) I think he understood game, he just hated the idea of using it. Maybe it was just to much work for him. This was something that his mom couldn’t give him (like his BMW). He wanted the world to change to meet his expectations without doing any work on himself or developing any skills.
    2) Where was his dad in all this? Didn’t he see what was going on? I have a grandson and will take him to Pattaya on his 18th birthday if necessary. Elliot already had his passport and it would have been a cinch for his dad to do this. Also would have given the dad a chance to give a man to son talk about ladies.
    3) He was full of hate and envy. He had reached the point where he didn’t even want a girl anymore. He just wanted them to all die. Envy is like a slow poison to the soul and he had a fatal dose.
    4) I don’t think even having what he wanted would have helped. For one reason or another, she wouldn’t have been good enough. He wanted an ideal, not a real person.
    I think this incident hits a nerve with a lot of us. At least for me. I was basically a lesser beta (for different reasons) back at his age too. So in a way, we can empathize with the way he felt. However, we didin’t give up. We got older, wiser, and more life experience. I still consider myself a beta male, but at least I have learned enough to snag a hot 3rd world wife over 20 years younger than me. And I have no doubts about my ability to find a replacement (and she knows it) if necessary. SMV go up for men as we age.
    Young males actually have a huge advantage today. I can find more knowledge about PUA and the nature of females on the internet in a day than I found in years of research as a teenager. There is no excuse for a man not getting laid. It just takes a bit of research, then get out and make some effort. Even the worse loser gammas can do like I did and go to SE Asia to find a lady. Even a bad relationship teaches you something about dealing with girls.

  57. Sexual frustration was the root of this tragedy.
    Elliot, like many other millions of men, was going through deep-seated resentment and frustration that develops with time when the male sexuality does not have an outlet. It’s just that unlike the other men, he was mentally ill, and extremely narcissistic, who lived in a world of his own.
    No one gives a damn about the sexual frustration that accumulates within the vast majority of men these days. And why should they? Women don’t give a f*ck about men. They never have and they never will.
    The only solution is for men to create a safe, easy-access outlet for male sexuality where not just the regular, decent looking men, but also betas, omegas, desperate, ugly and depressed guys can channel their sexual energy occasionally.

    1. I think it might actually be productive to go the way of the Romans and let men fuck each other and form relationships.. no homo.
      They’ll be secure… super fit… probably ambitious.. active…..
      The chicks wouldn’t be able to keep their hands off these guys who are getting ahead without them… Huge orgies would commence.

      1. Homos aren’t allowed on this site. You should be banned for promoting that sexual deviancy.

    2. Sexual frustration was the root of this tragedy.
      No, that is incidental. He covets.

    3. In his manifesto, he didn’t even want a girl anymore. He was full of hate and envy. He wanted them to all die (except a few kept as incubators). He couldn’t stand the idea of other men getting them and he was to lazy to develop his own skills (he was fully aware of the PUA scene) and I think deep down inside he knew he was to lazy to do the work necessary, so he just hated and hated.

      1. But what lead to the hatred and anger ? The frustration of not being able to get laid.

        1. In a way, I agree with you. Which is why I think if his dad had taken him to Pattaya on his 18th birthday, it might have helped. But I wonder if his hate and anger was really about his own inadequate self. I think sexual frustration was just the triggering point.

      2. It is one of the potential downfalls of living a coddled life. The work ethic doesn’t get to develop, nor does the sense of real adventure, or leaving one’s comfort zone.

      3. Why are you basing your opinion on a one-sided document written by a mentally ill person? Have you not dealt with anyone like him before? They make up shit all the time. Jesus Christ. You suck.

        1. So assuming we operate under your premise that his stated motives cannot be taken at face value, what makes your interpretation of these motives any more plausible, at this point in time?
          Additionally, how badly will your day be ruined if/when his stated motives are shown to be his true motives?

        2. Nobody should be making any conclusions right now. When columbine first happened, it took weeks before people actually wrote dumb fucking articles like this. Back then, we actually were like, whoa, this is a huge tragedy. Now it’s who can push their agenda on the latest tragedy first.
          If you noticed, I didn’t interpret his motives. I stated that going off a document that’s not fact-checked and written by a mentally ill person is an irresponsible way to form an argument/conclusion about a person roosh didn’t know.
          But that’s roosh. It’s why he’s not a real writer. Or a real anything. He’s just not talented, and he knows it.

        3. I sure hope that if/when it’s shown that the motives stated in his manifesto were indeed accurate, you’ll be enough of a good sport to give credit where credit is due.

        4. This document refers to his inner feelings, it matches what he said in his videos and in many of his postings on different sites and his facebook profile. What he expressed is congruent with his actions. I have seen people talk like that before, especially an old girlfriend that was bipolar. This is definitely not made up. He was full of envy and hate. He felt that he deserved a beautiful blond chick just for being who he was. He was unwilling to do the work necessary to attract one. And I have no doubt, he knew it, and hated himself for it. BTW, I am autistic, and he understood and knew more about girls than I did when I was forty. I didn’t really start suceeding with PUA and GAME till I was in my fifties. If he had put in half the work I did, he would have been deep in pussy by the time he was thirty.

        5. Oh so if it matched his videos, which is just more of his side of the story, it is definitely not made up? Nice going, you’ve rebuked nothing.
          His feelings are of envy and hate, I’ll give you that, but what he attributes it to is where the reality needs to be fact-checked. If he had gotten laid, how do we know this guy wouldn’t have targeted some other frustration in his life? We don’t. That’s why it’s moronic to draw conclusions from a one-sided document like Roosh did. But that’s par for the course with myopic charlatans like him.

        6. Way to go out on a limb there. Is it the modus operandi of the so-called modern professional writer to make unfalsifiable assertions to support one’s preferred position?
          No wonder journalism is dead.

        7. Sigh. I don’t have a position. I’m merely showing Roosh why it’s dumb to draw conclusions off of a document that’s not fact-checked and written by someone who is mentally ill.
          This isn’t tough to understand.

        8. Are you high or braindead?
          Fuck it, there’s no point. Low IQ is as low IQ does.

      1. You are delusional. I already addressed he was a psychopath. It is the frustration that lead him to exude his psychopathic tendencies. Imagine him getting laid regularly. Would he still have committed it? No.

    4. Sexual frustration is the root of many shooting. The mainstream media doesn’t want to admit that though as it is not politically correct and might offend people.

      1. To be more precise, it would force women to consider the role they’ve played in creating a society that consistently produces these kinds of psychopaths.
        That would be a touch too uncomfortable.

    5. Nope. You’re incredibly wrong. Nice myopic try though. Does it feel good reducing the mental motives of a person you never met based on a one-sided manifesto written by a mentally ill person?
      I bet you’d do well in the clairvoyance biz. Fucking douche.

    6. As a beta, i thank you & support you in the good fight. We should get pussy so that we don’t go crazy.

    7. “The only solution is for men to create a safe, easy-access
      outlet for male sexuality where not just the regular, decent looking
      men, but also betas, omegas, desperate, ugly and depressed guys can
      channel their sexual energy occasionally”
      VR tech and porn is already doing this.

    8. This reminds me of one of my all time favorite films that may be the most important critique of masculinity: Fight Club. The entire premise is exactly what we’re talking about right now. What an amazing allegory that film is. I need to watch it again soon. Such valuable lessons about masculinity and sexual frustration are littered through that film/book.

  58. All this guy had to do was hit the gym, dress and get a reasonable haircut, and loose the simple Beamer and went more exotic. He also failed to put himself in the shoes of the women he wanted to sleep with. Most of CH’s racial shit I do not get down with, but he asked a good question on his site once, would you sleep with you. Look at the kind of dudes the chicks you want to sleep with fuck, pretend to be that sort of dude but you work out. He was a generic dude for California and should have tweaked his outfit , hit the gym and became a DJ , promoter , or freelance artist. I think he was suffering from emotional frustration more than sexual frustration and that caused his lashing out.

    1. This comment is gold. Why the hell didn’t i think of that? Would you sleep with you if you were a chick. Brilliant reversal of perspective. Thank you sir.

  59. Game isn’t for everyone. But, at a minimum, he should have had access to safe, legal, regulated prostitution. Instead, thanks to feminism, politicians afraid of the religious right, etc., prostitution is something consenting men and women are to be ashamed of and something to be exploited for profit by pimps and organized crime.

  60. You cannot stop crazy young men with guns. They will destroy your entire society, very quickly indeed.
    Feminism can’t stop them. Laws can’t stop them. Police can’t stop them.
    Crazy young men with guns can only be stopped by one thing: The Patriarchy.

  61. It’s crazy this kid went to PUAhate but not to some PUAs. Hell daddy had enough money to send him to every guru on the planet.

    1. PUAs are not exactly mainstream, certainly mom wouldn’t approve. Also Daddy seems like he was pretty clueless

  62. “More people will die unless you give men sexual options”
    Shocking News! Privileged rich white males driving BMWs have no sexual options!
    WHO KNEW!
    People tend to be turned off whiney, threatening, hate-filled gas bags. If he really needed sex he could have paid for it. Sex was NOT the issue.

  63. I haven’t read it yet but, I just wanted to congratulate ROK for even making a article on this, this fast. And not only for the article but, the breakdown of the content and context around it. I knew y’all, Chateau, or Rollo would come through and speak about it in terms of how we (Fight Club members) would want to hear about it.
    I was just telling this chick the same thing last night. Its not the women or jocks fault, it was HIS fault for not seeking or finding this source. She also got mad because I said this was just a reaction of Feminism but, you know women hate blue skies and green grass. They want to be able to choose the colors on they’re own despite the logic of nature.
    Time to read.

  64. Lol this is literally the first thing I thought when I watched his final video and read his manifesto. If only this guy had actually put in effort to approach more women and not given up soon things would’ve been different

  65. Does no one else get a gay vibe from this kid? 1) Effeminate face and faggy voice. 2) Tons of vain solo selfies on his Facebook page. 3) Drives around town with George Michael music blaring in the background. 4) References a “drab and appalling” house in his manifesto (what straight guy talks like this?) 5) Hetero men ordinarily don’t use the words “beautiful” or “magnificent” or “sophisticated” to describe themselves.
    I doubt he actually tried to pick up girls. Instead, he just sat back in seething resentment of the “normies.”

    1. He also describes himself as “fabulous”. On the other hand a virgin basically has an indeterminate sexuality similar to being “queer”, especially if he has no male friends.

      1. Yeah, I noticed the “no male friends” thing too. I guess he preferred to commiserate online as opposed to real life. Methinks he was more of a misanthrope than misogynist.

  66. The kid had traveled to Asia for crying out loud. With his money he would have been Elvis over there. And Soldini had amassed $200K. Would it have been that difficult for him to peel off a few thou and go a’whorin?
    A lot of guys, in a lot of situations (an I am guilty of this) give up after putting in all the work. Or they just lose their nerve.
    Patience Grasshoppers, patience.

    1. I thought the same thing (he probably wouldn’t even have to pay), but Rodger liked blonde women in particular and probably wouldn’t be satisfied with Asian girls. He still could have gone to Eastern Europe, and I think that he could have pulled at least some tail out there from what I have read.

      1. I am tall and so damn handsome that women have approached me throughout my life. For that reason had pathetic game skills as a young man. But the “hottest blondes” were kinda out of reach and I preferred Asians anyway. I bet there were plenty of fun, ordinary gals in his vicinity that would have enjoyed his company. Which brings me to another life lesson : failure to realize what options are available to you at any given time. Looking back on my screwups and with 20/20 hindsight can see that during some of my darker days had a number of options I could have exercised instead of stewing in my own juices and developing a negative attitude.

    2. This guy could have been a huge player. He was rich. HE just needed to put himself out here

    3. You really are stupid. If you think this manifesto is the reality of what this kid went through, you’ve never dealt with mentally ill people before.
      It will be funny in a week when most of the shit in there is falsified by the people mentioned in it.

  67. The only problem with bringing this to the attention of feminists, society, etc. Is that in all reality, they just don’t care. They don’t see a tragedy, they don’t see the problems that face men today. Best I can tell, all they see is a way to push some fucked up ideology, and make a profit. It’s only been a day or so, and you can already see the full scale bombardment that is being laid upon anything that isn’t feiminist, or liberal. All I can tell you, is that you need to hang on boys, it’s about to be one bumpy fucking ride!

  68. As is typical of an MRA “game” site, the overriding theme of this web site is: “How to retain all the hate you feel towards the woman you’d like to use instead of a sock.”
    While you chumps claims you’re not “pussywhipped” like those poor men in successful relationships, I can see that you’re tightly controlled by the moderator who declares “replying to females will result in an instant ban…”
    Heads up, you don’t want to reply to me. I know how important this site is to your fragile egos and delicate sensibilities.

  69. the point that is being missed here is this most likely never happened. watch his videos closely and the clip of the father on his nra tirade. such horrible acting and the scripts are just plain silly.

    1. you mean the father who lost a son to the shooter? Don’t let compassion get in the way of your need to feel manly.

  70. First its clear that this kid needed help, and if only he stumbled across this site well before he got the idea of a rampage in his head.
    that said….he has just given the feminists and liberals more ammunition for their argument, you can be sure they will spin this into their diatribe and vitriol to support the cause of beating down men to a submissive pulp.
    Never will they [Feminists] see this as a wake-up call to their actions, the consequences of the same or how best to rein in their campaign for the greater good. expect laws on consent to be even more strict, and in favour of the females it empowers.

    1. “expect laws on consent to be even more strict, and in favour of the females it empowers.”
      Also expect feminists try to make killing a woman an automatic hate crime. Either that or require harsher sentences for men who kill women.
      All humans are equal, but some are more equal than others.

      1. exactly, all the while anything they [Feminists/Women] do will be excused and played down.
        the thing that I shake my head at which is apparent in history is that interesting moment (guys in LTR’s will relate) where a woman wont listen, will beat, bully and throw a tantrum to get what she wants, then doesn’t like the view. I can only wait in hope when that moment comes, when the Red-Pill males just walk away and Feminists complain they don’t like the world they have created…..and then a big sign written in the sky says “Told ya so!!!!!”

        1. The irony of posts like yours is a) you claim you’re independent yet b) cling to a belief that women control the universe. You’re operating from an infantile place. It’s time you grew up.

        2. Woman and their mangina enablers already control the American Government. If you control the government you control society. How else do you think VAWA got passed?

        3. @ Gloat – expect a rebuttal from other members here but to your post:
          a) I never claimed I was independent; however that is very much the case. I have my game and I enjoy social interaction with women on a regular basis, I don’t feel the need to be bitter and twisted, I am simply pointing out an observation that can be seen based on recent history and my own interaction (that the concept of cause and effect is exempt from female mindset as a generalization).
          b) in their own way they DO control and have contributed in no small part to the current state of affairs in Western society today. Case in point if you were to ask your grandfather or anyone who’s 20’s – 30’s existed from post WW2 to 1960 as an example they would have a very different idea of relationships and male/female dynamic.
          Infantile place?? infantile place is believing that men and women are equal in today’s society, Infantile place is walking around thinking that your job, your way of life and your existence as a male is safe when by and large, it is far from that.

        4. If I asked my father and grandfather who fought in two wars about your whiney first world problems, they’d wipe their asses with you.

        5. Move to Afghanistan where the terrorists that slaughtered 3,000 Americans have the kind of control over women you crave.

        6. no they would probably agree that it all started going downhill, they would probably look at today’s society and wonder what it was they fought to save, because it seems like a poor trade off to see the way society is turning out.

  71. “Replying to females” … Good policy, although its not always clear from the name. Too bad you can’t also flag the manginas, but they tend to give themselves away pretty quickly.

    1. Isolating yourself and demonizing half the human race won’t solve the problems you have. I can’t even imagine being the kind of person who needs to be told who I can reply to. You are a child.

  72. wow. i shouldnt be surprised but i am. posted about possible false flag and my comment gets deleted. sorry roosh, you’re site is officially bullshit. one less reader to worry about.

    1. If Roosh did actually delete your comment, kudos to him. One less distracting detour into banal conspiratorial bullshit.

  73. While what Mr. Elliot did was wrong, I can somewhat understand his disposition. The world he lived in, lacked substance. It lacked moral, spiritual, and intellectual substance and even character. To him his brief existence was one of nihilistic materialism and shallow narcissistic sluts who lacked empathy and probably souls. Yes we can all levy the criticism against the poor son of a bitch as him lacking “game.” But I’m sure the rabbit-hole runs much deeper than that. Living in a world where the entire construct is based on crass superficiality must be a miserable existence. His problem is, he couldn’t cope with the nefarious nature of women and the beta males that seek to placate them even with the much vaunted “game” we all propagate on here. I personally take a little issue with the fact that all it takes is to have a little “game” and everything will be “alright.”
    Yes game, gets us laid, but at the end of the day, it still does not take away the fact, that we live in a modern world of soulless people without any real character, with the vast majority of them being women. This guy despite his family’s relative preeminence truly wanted to believe in a world of good people, mainly a world of decent women and when the mask was finally pulled off, it was too much for him to bare.His reaction was psychopathic but I don’t know if it’s worse than the beta simps who seek to placate women by allowing them to run carte-blanche over their fellow man or even some of the “alphas” who revel in PUA. Point is, both worlds are gynocentric. This gynocentric world was a bridge too far for Mr. Elliot.

    1. You’re right about that. in this day and age Feminism is so entrenched it cannot be argued with logically, it cannot be reasoned with and it, as a concept cannot be just dismissed.
      Mr Elliot fell into that unfortunate situation where he left himself with only 2 REAL outcomes:
      1) continue his hating, either on posts or just fade away embittered and angry
      2) go to the other extreme of violence
      Sites like this serve as an outlet, because nothing exists in either mainstream media or society to combat what can be seen from an objective standpoint as a deprivation of liberty.

    2. My fear is that game is only a temporary solution to the problem. It works for now, but how long will it last?

      1. Game is not a solution to the real problems we face, what we are seeing is the protracted dissolution of the fabric and cornerstones of civilization, namely, patriarchy, the family and the institution of marriage. Game is a means of necessary Machiavellian manipulation to increase the amount of vagina the average man gets. Problem is, however manipulative, game may be, it still serves women, in the form of drinks, dinners, and other forms of in-kind payments without any real demand in return or social contract besides “pussy.” So no game is not a temporary solution.

        1. Get a blow up doll, loser. One that comes with a warranty. Maybe if you look hard enough you can find a used one in a dumpster. Wouldn’t want you having to “pay” for it…god knows, you’d be complaining about how the blow up doll is taking advantage of you.

        2. What a loser troll you are, asshole.
          In fact, Roosh ought to add dumb cunts like you to his ban list – the kind who reject male problems with developing properly in life, while insulting them at the most primal level you can think of.
          You, my pet goat fucker, are a scumbag lower then Elliot, because it is dumb fucking cunts like you that CAUSE him to exist!
          Goats are not only who assholes like you should be condemned to fucking, but it is all you should allowed to socialize with.
          Now go goat hunting and leave the rest of us men alone.

        3. It’s not hard to understand that Gloat was a woman. You can just tell by the way they type. The attitude, sarcasm and smugness reeks of female nature.

        4. Lance you are great, if this Elliot guy had seen the truth like you did maybe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened. Greetings.

    3. Possibly the most well constructed comment so far…. keep them coming.

    4. Dang, Lance, every comment you make is gold!
      As Roosh always says, we do not choose the life of “game” because we want to, but because the culture has forced us to have no other decent option. At some point, I expect that game will be insufficient to bring fulfillment, and we come back full-circle this nihilistic world of ours.

    5. You do realize there are plenty of sad lonely women blaming their problems on the “nefarious nature of men.” And how men have ruined the world.
      You and her should find each other and leave everyone else out of it.

  74. Alright, here is the real reason why Elliot Rodgers went on a rampage:
    Elliot Rodgers is a 5.5/10 in looks (MAX 6). Even though he had a nice car and large amounts of money that could have added to his attractiveness, he lacked the social abilities to maximize these factors. So because of this, he remained a 5.5-6/10 in looks. Elliot probably had 4-6/10 girls eye-ing him around school campus, but Elliot wanted the 8+ blondes with beautiful faces and slim bodies. But little Elliot ignored the fact that looks matter to EVERYONE and that these girls wanted guys on their own level. Instead of realizing that this is how life works (humans pair up based on equal physical attraction – unless money or social status comes into play), Elliot got all pissy about it – he was pissed for 7 years to be exact. His overinflated standards matched with his subpar looks resulted in his demise and 7 other people. Elliot could have gotten a 5/10 average girl and fucked her for a few years and this would have never happened (everyone on this site has seen worse looking guys with girls then Elliot). But no, Elliot was placing a bid that he could not afford.

    1. Wrong, if you think women care about looks more than we do, you don’t know them. Let’s look at someone like “50 cent” who isn’t attractive by any standard, but yet promulgates an image which nets a large volume of pussy. Let’s just say that even if “fifty” were putting on an act by his handlers to sell a product, the fact that such an image being as unpalatable as it is to civilization, gets the girls wet. The fact that women are attracted to anything void of real character and substance in this day and age, is a fucked up reality. Elliot could have easily pulled bitches had he worked on his game. His problem was not one of resources and definitely not looks, his problem was his inability to cope with the system and the type of person, preferably women, the system produces.

      1. You clearly didn’t read my whole post. 50 cent is a celebrity and has large amounts of status and fame. (I said humans pair up based on similar physical attractiveness – except when money and status come into play – cue 50 cent). Yes, women may dig the bad boy, but a women will be much more physically attracted to a good looking man. Why don’t you look up fake online dating experiments using male model faces – these girls beg for the dick. Women and men work the same in terms of attraction – for short term relationships and ONS, both sexes want a good looking partner. For long term relationships, women may weigh looks less…but this can be problematic as her urges to fuck a good looking guy will come in strong

    2. Give me his body, his car, and his connections. I would be able to pull a blond 9 within a year. Even a 10 if I went to Ukraine. And I consider myself to be a greater beta, not an alpha. He just wasn’t willing to put in the necessary effort.

      1. Yes, his money and car alone could have done that. But without that, his looks are not enough to pull a 9. And he was too aspie to use those to his advantage

        1. Looks aren’t that important. And I am autistic, which is why this incident is so interesting to me. From watching his videos, I can tell he actually understood ladies a lot better than I did at that age. In fact, his whole social awareness was much better than mine was at that age. The problem was his sense of entitlement and refusal to put in the necessary effort to get what he wanted.

        2. His comments are full of it. This guy doesn’t understand women. Trust me, I was close to being a male model when I was younger, even coming in second place in a competition by hosted by Ford Models. Let me tell you, when it comes to looks it may get you some brief attraction from women, but not that much. I’ve had my fair share of pussy and trust me, after 10 minutes of having any conversation with them, how much money you make or your earning potential is thee priority. The broke bad boy fad is exactly that, a dying fad. Nothing gets the clit wet, quite like money.

        3. Sorry bro, but I cannot take you seriously considering you are average looking and telling me that looks do not matter for attracting women (no offence). The following are the most important for attracting women for sexual encounters: 1) LOOKS 2) MONEY 3) STATUS. If a good looking man with the ability to approach females walks into a bar without knowing anyone in him in there, what are the chances he hooks up with a female? Very high considering most women will be giving him the eye. It is on him to approach and find the DTF ones. What do you do when you see a hot women? You look at them. What do women do when they see an attractive man? They look at him. It all works the same ways. Trust me pal, I have gotten plastic surgery (I got a nose job and my ears pinned back). Before that, I had some success with women, but not a lot. Now, I have large amounts of success with women (I have also gained 20 pounds of mass and am 6.3). My game is the exact same but the only difference is my exterior. I have pulled girls in less then 15 minutes from clubs without doing anything interesting. I constantly get girls telling me I’m good looking. Looks are a HUGE advantage to gaming girls

        4. Also, I am 22 – I go after 18-24 year old girls in bars and clubs. These girl do not give a shit about money – they are either living at home paying tuition or in residence. Money matters for washed up 30 year old women or if you have enough money to have large status. Unless your some shy pussy good looking dude, looks then won’t matter because you aren’t using them to your advantage. But you are crazy if you think women don’t care as much about looks as men. If this is true, but do guys get rejected within 2 seconds of approaches?….because of LOOKS

        1. I am almost sixty years old. You have no idea of the value of life experience, especially for someone with a bit of adventure in their blood. The ten in Ukraine would be a cinch. I could do that in a day. The nine in the USA would be much harder. Approach ten girls a day, that is over 3000 in a year. Eventually you will get lucky, even with his feminine face.

      2. Don’t you realize you’re only getting his side of the story? How do you know he even approached a single girl instead of just concocting this shit in his head?
        Maybe you’ve never dealt with mentally ill people before. They can write and describe the world just fine. The only problem, it’s not reality.

        1. Does he claim that he approached a girl in his story? I read up to page 90, and he has yet to actually do anything but say “Hi.” Guy just did not get it. He actually believed girls would and should come up to him. Definitely something wrong with him.

        2. The document is just his way of seeing the world. My sister wrote one once, and it was completely false. Our whole family was like, this stuff never happened.
          This is how it goes with mentally ill people. The fact that Roosh is taking him on his word shows just how much of a fucking myopic charlatan prick he is.

        3. I’m starting to doubt the script more and more. His early years had my sympathy,but he eventually goes on to include nearly every social slight and parenting mistake possible in there, like he cruised a bunch of social anxiety and MRA sites, watched shit like American Beauty, and built a profile from there. Plus he chronicles every year of his life with vivid detail? It’s a pretty good roadmap of American dysfunction, but it strains credulity the more I read.

        4. Hey look! Someone who’s not a complete myopic moron who might wait a few damn days before shoving the square peg of an argument into the round hole of this tragedy.

        5. Where in my comment did I say he approached a girl? Or did you just concoct that idea in your head? And yes, I have dealt with mentally ill people before. As for how much was reality, I am sure we will learn more with time.

        6. You sound a little mentally ill yourself. So thank you for the field experience I suppose.

        7. The internet is a place where people come up with answers before they’ve even understood the questions. Millions of egos validating themselves.

        8. Yeah, I might have Aspergers since I can’t seem to understand how you consider dumb comebacks like this clever or funny.
          Or you might just suck. Probably that.

        9. There’s no reply-all button, I’m replying to both of you. He mentions approaching girls in the manifesto. I’m relating that to your dumbass comparison of what you would do with his advantages and Marko’s rambling conclusion that all this mentally ill person needed was some lower standards.

        10. That’s alright. Most mentally ill individuals do not comprehend their unfortunate condition.
          I know because I’ve been dealing with a mentally ill person for the last thirty minutes or so.

    3. He needed to hit the gym. He had a pretty-boy face (no homo), and I am sure that he would have killed it (metaphorically rather than literally) had he gone for Asian girls, or even traveled to Eastern Europe, or maybe some places in Latin America since he had the hots for blondes.

  75. “Game” doesn’t work for people who have Aspergers or other forms of Autism. Only a scammer would say it does.

  76. I’m a woman and all and I know know one can reply so just make a new comment. But I’m honestly just going to ask…”What do you want huh? What do men want? What in the hell do you want women to do?” WHAT

    1. They want to be able to fuck you and hate you at the same time. Is that too much to ask? The men who frequent these sites are infantile child-men who think women control the universe.

    2. Since I only come here once in a blue moon and could give a fuck about being banned: You can start by not engaging in the feminine habit of trying to assuage guilt and blame, especially when this article isn’t blaming you. It’s like the most important thing in the world to modern day women and liberals is not to have any bad “feels” whatsoever. No one is asking the average young women to do anything besides maybe get their noses out of their cell phones once and a while and realize that the world is not their personal stage for their Eat-Pray-Love adventures, and that actions have consequences regardless of whether those actions bring YOU happiness in the moment, which seems to be the second most important thing to women. And everyone needs to stop lying to themselves about their own nature, which includes women denying a pervasive materialism and hypergamy among their ranks, among other tings. And don’t give me any Not All Women Are Like That crap. The same sentiment applied to males results in creation of feminist memes deriding it.
      You can also stop being herd followers and believing in various ideologies regarding, or being sold by, various -isms, all claiming to be for your or the “greater” good, and recognize the good and bad in everything no matter if it seemingly works for your benefit or not. Some say you can’t help it, that women just have an innate herd mentality and materialism and are bad judges of male character. Prove them wrong. Or don’t. Think for yourself is the point.

  77. I swear to God, every half-Asian I’ve met is either:
    -Completely whitewashed
    -Insane

    1. This is another reason why while I am all for interracial sex for getting your rocks off, I’m not too favorable when it comes to having mixed kids. The world just isn’t a good environment for mixed-raced kids in general, and there could be biological factors as well. (No offense to some of the posters here or those mixed-race people that have been able to navigate through life without having a fucked-up complex about it).

      1. On dating (or whatever it is people do these days): It helps to know your niche in the SMP when you are mixed. I put most of my energy into Hispanic and Italian chicks, because I resemble their men, even though I’m white-black mix. I make the occasional side trip for Asian women, but I find them quite pleasant and fun to be around anyway, and don’t mind the extra barriers I have to cross. Hate to stereotype, but they are the last bastion of deep femininity in America; also generous and with solid values.
        Anglos though? Won’t bother unless she shows some interest first. I definitely wouldn’t be stuck on my visual opposite, like this kid was. Get in where you fit in.
        On the world in general: depends on where you live and where you go. I live in one of the most diverse regions in northern Illinois. Aside from the occasional small-time racist, I’ve never had any real problems. Having a caring family helps, as does knowing thyself, having a personal code, not being “of the world.” Sure, I’d probably have to avoid or watch my back in certain parts of America, but that’s just garden variety survival on this planet, in my mind.

        1. Dude may have known his niche and not liked it. He had the hots for blonde chicks, and I can’t fault a person for wanting what they want. it just sucks to be the loser, of course.

        2. I can’t fault him for his preference, but I can’t relate to his limited taste either. Hell, I have a preference for chicks who are like me, but I’m either not black enough or white enough for them. Oh well, guess I’ll just accept the loss and settle for some fine Latina ass instead.

        3. co-sign this, me being mixed helps get around with girls over in latin america.

        4. He seems pretty good looking in that picture at the top of this article as well. I guess his main issue was the aspergers (which = empirical form of thinking + reduced ability to read/interpret body language). People with aspergers can be accidentally socially inappropriate because of that second trait, not having a sense to be able to read body language.

      2. I’ve also noticed mixed raced individuals often have poor self-esteem and a lack of cultural identity or acceptance into the main group.

    2. No only half-Asians. Half-anythings tend to be a bit off. Half breeds never are fully excepted in any group so they go overboard to prove themselves.

  78. Great article. Agree with everything you said… except for that little dismissal of male circumcision: I believe that, as children, being forcibly strapped down and having the most sensitive parts of our penises cut off (google it) is a real issue. Aside from that, this is truth that the West needs to hear.
    Women talk with scorn about male feelings of “entitlement” to sex, but, generally having little difficulty getting intimacy and sex themselves, they can’t understand how debilitating not having that basic human need met can be, especially for men, when our whole culture treats male virgins as laughable and worthless until they received the validation of a woman’s sexual approval. Men who can’t get that approval rightfully feel a sense of disenfranchisement and alienation, and every year of involuntary celibacy and virginity further exacerbates their feelings of worthlessness and their consequent inability to win female approval. It becomes a vicious downward spiral. It’s heinous and tragic, but not surprising that an occasional, mentally-ill man will decide his life is so without value or hope that he might as well commit suicide, and vent his rage before blowing his brains out.

    1. You are a fucking idiot. My goodness. Don’t you ever think beyond your own myopic reduction?

      1. You sure love that word don’t you? Was that webster’s word of the day? I appreciate someone trying to expand their vocabulary but you seem to be trying too hard.

  79. After seeing the comments on Facebook and on twitter they are linking misogyny to these deaths.
    They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on…if he hadn’t left a full years worth about never getting laid and lamenting over the bitches who disrespected him.
    We are screwed. Everyone is going to exploit this terrible tragedy for their own agenda. Gun control laws…misogyny and rape culture…to even ‘purchase my pickup book or visit my website’.

    1. Hopefully they also target World of Warcraft. This dude spent 1000s of hours playing a silly game during a time when he should have been growing into a person

    2. Exactly. I can just see more laws for “women’s protection”, where women can kill a guy for looking at her in a “threatening” manner, or some dumb bs like that.

  80. Speaking as a man who recently discovered the Red Pill, and a former student of SBCC, the Isla Vista killings have left a bad taste in my mouth. Events like these will only make life harder for men who are seeking meaningful relationships.
    I would also like to thank Return of Kings and Roosh for shoving the Red Pill down my throat. You helped me to stop blaming myself for my first failed relationship, and start improving myself as a man, while not giving a shit about women.

    1. Game is not the Red Pill, although it is a fundamental truth. The actual Red Pill is that there are biological differences between the races and they are immense. There is no such thing as equality of any sort. It’s considerably harder to swallow than the truth about women

  81. Jesus Christ. Jesus. Christ. What in the fuck is wrong with you?
    And before you start coming up with reasons to ignore me, I’m a man (which is criteria number one for you), I never dated in high school or college, and I was a virgin until I was 30. So I’m your target audience, right?
    Wrong, because I’m not a goddamn gynophobe. And I used that word very intentionally, because you are TERRIFIED of women. It comes through in every bullshit tip and trick that you recommend. You act like women are deadly mythical creatures that you have to undergo a ritual to summon safely, and once the ritual is performed it functions as a contract for them to fulfill your every whim. THERE IS NO CONTRACT. Not beyond the basic social contract of human decency, at least, which you sidestep by refusing to treat women like human beings–and I’m talking about every single man that thinks they can develop “game” or that any woman, anywhere, ever owes you anything for any reason. Being your self-serving definition of “nice” does not IN ANY WAY obligate ANYONE, man or woman, to respond to you in ANY WAY.
    And the idea of women having any agency or choice clearly scares the shit out of you too. I don’t know what a woman’s past sexual history has to do with whether she can kiss your kids good night, especially since she would presumably have YOUR penis inside her at some point. Women, as human beings with minds and motivations of their own, have every right to make their own choices regarding romantic or intimate partners. And not just that, but YOU have NO right to dictate those choices to them.
    If you’re desperate to get laid, congratulations! You have an option! And it’s not some bullshit “game”, or raping women, or drugging them and then raping them, or trying to trick them into wanting to have sex with you–which, by the way, I GUARANTEE you they know you’re doing. Instead of spreading hate and gynophobia across the internet, just masturbate. It feels basically the same. And if you try to argue that sex isn’t the same as masturbation at all, then all I can say is you must be terrible at jerking off.

    1. what the hell are you even trying to say, you say you are a man but type all emotively and irrationally like a woman, just step back from the keyboard.

    2. Fisherking – I cant speak for your opinion or comment on what brought it on, I can guess that you have been brought up properly as a male with respect to females, which in a perfect society SHOULD be valued and encouraged, however that is not the case.
      ROK in general serves as the sounding board and discussion of the way THE WORLD IS TODAY, chivalry is dead, LTR’s with the idyllic lifestyle of “til death do us part” with the white picket fence is also dead, kept alive either on life-support or those electric paddles.
      The people who write this would like nothing more than to have a meaningful relationship with a good, honest woman, however it seems more a fantasy than a reality. “THERE IS NO CONTRACT. Not beyond the basic social contract of human decency” – which many betas and those who have just swallowed the Red Pill will attest to when their paramour (ex-paramour) will run off with someone who beats them, or treats them like shit. When women seem more interested in how much a guy will buy for them, or how much of his social status will rub off on her, or the divorced men forced to not speak to their children after devoting their lives to be a good father and husband while she tries to squeeze as much money out of him as possible while dating drug addicts or wife-beaters or worse.
      It also needs mention the women who want to have their cake and eat it too; they want to party, to travel, to bang guys left right and centre and still at the end DEMAND (not just hope, DEMAND) that the perfect White Knight in shining armour come and save them and treat them like a princess. the whole process lacks logic and many who have felt the cold sting of this and many more examples are who we are trying to help, by helping them understand, by helping them navigate this world, by helping them to avoid making the mistakes that would leave them begging in a gutter or on a newspaper article ending with “he then turned the gun on himself”

    3. Right, lets all listen to the guy who was a virgin until he was fucking THIRTY. He’s obviously got it all figured out.
      You didn’t understand shit about life then and you don’t understand shit about life now. Has that ever dawned on you, or are you as lacking in self-awareness as you are stupid?

    4. Jesus christ, you sound JUST like a woman denouncing your own male needs like a pussywhipped simp! You use the same shaming tactics women use on men like you to control you(YUR SCURRED OF WIMMIN BEING FREE DAWG! SHE AINT YUR PROPERTY DAWG! I’M A LEVEL 100 WHITE KNIGHT EQUIPPED WITH KING ARTHUR’S SWORD DAWG!” REAL MEN DON’T RAPE BRUH, YOU HAVE DADDY ISSUES BRUH), looks like they’ve been pretty effective on you so far as you’re spewing the same nonsense feminist talking points like a typical indoctrinated fembot would.
      Men like you are in DIRE need of GETTING YOUR BALLS BACK! MANHOOD101.COM. Be a part of the SOLUTION.

    5. Jesus christ, you sound JUST like a woman denouncing your own male needs like a pussywhipped simp! You use the same shaming tactics women use on men like you to control you(YUR SCURRED OF WIMMIN BEING FREE DAWG! SHE AINT YUR PROPERTY DAWG! I’M A LEVEL 100 WHITE KNIGHT EQUIPPED WITH KING ARTHUR’S SWORD DAWG!” REAL MEN DON’T RAPE BRUH, YOU HAVE DADDY ISSUES BRUH), looks like they’ve been pretty effective on you so far as you’re spewing the same nonsense feminist talking points like a typical indoctrinated fembot would.
      Men like you are in DIRE need of GETTING YOUR BALLS BACK! MANHOOD101.COM. Be a part of the SOLUTION..

  82. Just watched the CBS evening news. ZERO mention of Rodgers’s comments regarding women. ZERO! They edited the quotes to pieces. Whether you agree with it or not, aren’t you at least obligated to report the story?
    The feminist factions of the news media are becoming Orwellian right before our eyes.

    1. How many mentioned his comments surrounded the race issue? It was HEAVILY RACIAL.

      1. I read his manifesto, he was very racist. With all his money and connections, he could have easily had a hot ten from SE Asia. But his problem was deeper than racism or sexism. He hated himself.

  83. I’m sorry, I can’t even get past the title of this article. “Game” isn’t why that little half-caste waif of a Chinaman couldn’t get hot blondes. Few white women date Asians, especially the upper crust social types which is ALL he was seeking to date. The guy was a tragic mulatto, a self-loather who turned his nose up to Asian women over his lifelong white supremacist complex. The guy dyed his hair blonde as a pre-teen for God’s sake, he was so racially screwed up. His manifesto is full of rants of how he’s too short unlike the white kids, and how they’re muscular and blonde and he’s thin and black-haired. All he wanted was hot white blondes and they didn’t want him back, and rightly so.
    “Game” isn’t the problem. His unrealistic expectations and rejection of his own Asian women WERE.

  84. Game wouldn’t have helped this kid. Sure, we all feel a bit bad because he obviously had some insecurity issues and it sucks not getting women. But he was a blatant narcissist. He expected women to approach him in class, on the street, while he was driving simply because he wore designer clothes and had a BMW. He adored himself and was infuriated that others didn’t feel the same. He would have learned game, would have approached women cock-sured and arrogant, and then would have exploded at them when they still rejected him (his own manifesto details times when he threw coffee on girls who did not smile back at him at a bus stop, grew so incensed when seeing a group of college coeds having fun at a park that he bought a super soaker and filled it with orange juice to spray at them, and trying to push girls off a 10-ft high wall because they were talking to other men). Part of game recognizing when a girl isn’t worth your time and moving on and never thinking of her again– he wouldn’t have been incapable of this.
    And his issue also wasn’t just about not getting women, but his uncontrollable jealousy. He hated the men who got laid almost as much as he hated women, because he felt he was more deserving than them. He had so much jealousy and hatred towards other men that he originally planned to kill his little brother because he saw that he was already on the path of “popularity” and would probably date and sleep with more women than he would. He saw no brotherhood in game– and he was largely correct, how many of us would have put up with this jealous twat and his outbursts when it became apparent that he thought he was better and more deserving of girls than us despite our endeavors to help him? Which is also why he didn’t have any friends. When his roommates were losers, he felt they weren’t worth his time. When his roommates brought in girls, he was incensed at the idea that they were getting ass because he believed he was superior and more deserving.
    Not to mention he was also just LAZY. He expected women while putting in a minimal amount of work. He thought girls cared about appearance, so he bought designer clothes and a nice car and cut his hair, but he didn’t bother with the gym. He thought girls cared about money, so he relied on his parents’ money to dress nice and spent THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS buying lotto tickets rather than actually building some sort of career. And not once in his manifesto does he mention actually being rejected outright by girls– BECAUSE HE NEVER APPROACHED GIRLS. He whines about taking walks around the neighborhood in hopes that just one girl would approach him– as though girls are apt to speak to the lonely creep sitting on the park bench staring at them– or going to class wearing Prada and being outraged that the girls didn’t take notice of his appearance or make attempts to speak with him, outraged so much that he would eventually stop going or drop out of all his classes.
    He was an entitled, narcissistic ass with rage issues, plain and simple.

      1. He didn’t get laid – BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE A BEARD. I mean look at his face, if he grew his hair a little long, he could’ve easily passed for an Asian tranny bitch from Pattaya. His fat lips are like a female’s, also with the triangular chin.

    1. Correction for the last sentence of the first paragraph– he wouldn’t have been capable of this.
      Apologies for double-posting the screenshot.

    2. Whether he was narcissistic or not, he’s done the deed and now the fallout should be the topic of discussion.
      No killing is justified (self-defence and protecting your country/family excluded).

    1. Aw did my ridicule of your vacuous blather hurt your feewings?
      You should see what the guys are saying about you over at Raw Story. If you think “this bitch” is having fun at your expense, you won’t like what they have to say about you.

        1. The Japanese kanji for “noisy” is created by using THREE kanji symbols for “woman”.
          I can imagine the cackling hens over on that website.

    2. I second this. ‘MyPetGloat’ is a troll probably from Raw story , pestering users here. She should be banned.

  85. Great rebuttal to the ROthschild Bilderberg controlled Zionist Bankster piece of shit main stream media Roosh.
    Dr. Henry Makow has well documented that the Illuminati Jews knew what they were doing with the feminist culture and gay rights game.
    On Elliot-
    Its sad he didn’t get to learn game as his City is full of tons of opportunities for the aspiring seducer at UCSB, State Street, etc. Even if he was only seducing homely 6s at least he could have had a life. People in Santa Barbara should be glad they live in such an awesome place-many places in the US suck and are very mediocre but not Santa Barbara IMO.Im sorry for the victims-stuff like this is why prostitution should be legalized-if hed been able to slam a 36d chick doggy style-I doubt he would have hated life so much. Its sick when a culture is so pinko they dont appreciate mens sexual needs. THink how good the Greeks and ROmans had it when they could bang in public. America is so sexually uptight.
    Roosh-
    People on other forums are already trying to blame you. I told them thats like blaming a band for one of its fans who listens to music and does something crazy. Is it the bands fault? No!

  86. Get a load of this whiner

    Lance Christopher
    …what we are seeing is the protracted dissolution of the fabric and cornerstones of civilization, namely, patriarchy, the family and the institution of marriage. Game is a means of necessary Machiavellian manipulation to increase the amount of vagina the average man gets. Problem is, however manipulative, game may be, it still serves women, in the form of drinks,dinners, and other forms of in-kind payments without any real demand in return or social contract besides “pussy.” So no game is not a temporary solution.

    I advised Lance to get a blowup doll but then realized he’d bitch about having to pay for one. So I guess he’s stuck with dumpster-diving for a used one. We might have to call blowup doll protective services though because it’s only a matter of time before he starts whining it’s taking advantage of him.

  87. if this person is a “he” then he is the male version of “the chaos theory”, not quite a troll but throwing comments out there for the sake of an opposing reaction.
    that being said – fallout starting with that website, and as usual taken out of context and spun for their own ends (the title says it all).

  88. “No One Would Have Died If PUAHate Killer Elliot Rodger Learned Game”
    Game? Maybe all he needed was JESUS in his life. That’s basically what you sounds like when you say that “game” would’ve saved him. It’s like a religion.
    No, but your stupid pick-up “artistry” wouldn’t have done anything to change this kid (except make him more cuntish probably). Fuck off, Roosh.

    1. There is a very high probability that he would have gotten laid if he had learned the ‘Game’.
      And if he had gotten laid, he would not have went on a murderous spree.
      Therefore, the predication is plausible. If your argument is that game does not help anyone get laid, that is another issue.

      1. There is absolutely no basis for this. Roosh is basing his conclusion off of a manifesto that’s not fact-checked, nor have any of the people named in it given their side of the story.
        My sister did this once in rehab and our entire family called her out on it. It was all lies.
        Roosh is a fucking myopic moron. No need to wait to hear what actually happened with this kid, let’s go off the murderer’s manifesto, which couldn’t be false in any way, shape or form.
        Jesus christ, the fact that people actually believe you is almost as disturbing as this crime.

        1. I occasionally wonder what it’s like to live life as willfully blind as you obviously are. The cognitive dissonance, does it hurt?

        2. yeah man blue pill! I’m so ignorant that I don’t boil down a gender of 3.5 billion people and a human brain with trillions of neurons to a simple program to get laid.
          How fucking dissonant of me.
          Oh by the way, I write for a living, and we all laugh at people like Roosh. They couldn’t get out of their own myopic worldview if they tried.
          See: Tucker Max’s movie. ahahahahaha.
          You guys aren’t talented. Or smart. That’s why you flock to charlatans like Roosh, who is also lacking talent or intelligence.

        3. “Oh by the way, I write for a living, and we all laugh at people like Roosh.”
          Who the fuck cares? Are you still in highschool?
          Good grief.

        4. I care. Roosh and others like him are an insult to the craft and profession. This stuff especially makes my blood boil.

        5. Oh, and idiots like you who think there’s some kind of pill to take to see the world.
          Ahahahahahaha. Oh lord. You must be really insightful.

  89. Roosh V
    What COuntries are best for living now for men who want to game without all the homos and feminist clowns?
    PS- I gamed a 19 yo college girl at a big box retail outlet and they called mall security on me. THe security bitch was a nasty curly brown hair manly Lindy West linebacker type- I go, “Is there an issue?” She go’s “you tell me”, I go “This is ridiculous” and walk away. THey had her and this other transexual looking bitch on walkie talkies watching me as I walked to another department store, and standing on the sidewalk like clowns as I eventually left. It was ridiculous-all for a rugged man talking to a 19yo Americunt, and the chick gave me her number-obviously I never called-but still. You should have seen how passionate looking these mall clown security women were following me like they were on some kind of adventure for an International Intelligence Agency or something-I thought all this bullshit for a lousy American college 8-piss off Team Murica!

    1. You’re living proof that the “game” is stalking and harassment. If the cops are coming after you, you’ve got serious issues. The 19 year old doesn’t want you, dude. And you can’t handle that. You have a problem you are blaming on your victims.

      1. A-She gave me her number
        B-They were ugly mall security women
        C-American girls used to like it when men talked to them-with a “Oh damn a man liikes me” vibe, now they say all this PC bull shit “Hes creepy”-its just the West where young girls dont like older men-In many places prime women (18-23) love men who are 10-20 years older.
        Roosh I hope your making some money listening to all these clown cause this shit aint paying me and Im done explaining my reasoning to the pinko idiocy of the Anglosphere.
        People read the Protocols of the ELders of Zion and stop by
        Realzionistnews.com
        iamthewitness.com
        Rense.com
        Henrymakow.com
        ALl the bullshit is demystified there.

    2. When I go into any retail outlet I am blasted by the infernal canned Divrzak music. I expect that if I complained about it to management they would say “our customers like it” and then call the security goons you mentioned as I would be some kind of terrorist threat.

  90. Read enough of the comments in this thread and you begin to understand the mentality of the men who kidnap teenage girls and imprison them in their houses in chains for twenty years.

  91. Roosh-
    Dont you get sick of all these haters?
    Write up an article on a place youve been where people arent self loathing, politically correct, brainwashed, clowns for the Rothschild corporate slave system.
    You know where women still like to bake and get slammed hard from behind.
    America is destroying itself with the Illumninati brainwashing-
    Henrymakow.com
    Makow demystifies all the hows and whys of this PC BS.

  92. everytime an incel goes on a shooting rampage, roosh gets some pocket change
    stop profiteering off this type of shit you sad sack of shit.
    you’re still the same dude as this guy except you managed to build a retard empire and 3rd world poverty lays out of your aspergers

    1. “stop profiteering off this type of shit you sad sack of shit.”
      I hope the next Rodgers busts a cap in your skull. Faggot.

  93. You are correct Roosh, but so what? Hear me out because there is a flip side.
    Heartiste had a piece a year ago invoking the idea that in Hitler’s youth, he was a beta who worshipped women from afar. That if he would have actually approached women respectfully, the 20th century would have been profoundly less domicidal. You could look at Newton and say if he chased ass every so often, gravity would have been discovered much later, throwing everything else off.
    As a man, you have very little to blame outside your own self. You are your own man, whether your choice is expat, game, mgtow, beta provider, ghost, pay for play, self actualization, etc…
    This kid could have shun women entirely and helped build a flying car. Why I say “so what?” is because he could have looked any number of adapting options available but was too weak of a human being to change. He was probably a pathetic, evil person, not society. Game couldn’t have saved those lives, nothing could. It was him, not gamelessness. “Probably” because what if he was on psych drugs that fubar’ed him? Can’t have the media look into big pharma now, can you?
    As a western man, you must adapt or else society will likely eat at your very soul while you scratch your head trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together. By then, it is almost always too late.

  94. Sounds like this “Manosphere” should just forgo those skanky uptight whores and embrace the awesomeness of homo love and Tranny fucking.
    Just Man up and take that step, boys.

  95. half chinaman kills “blonde sluts” and this is about pua/puahate?
    this thing looks like a alien freak, with the fscked up lips, eyes, freak, no game would have helped this chink and the fact that he is out there slaughtering caucasoids, specifically blonde ones, who are as far apart from this alien as can be…well something has gone wrong with expectations in this country.

  96. Good lord those people over at TheRaw are like a bunch of mean high-school girls. No debate, just attack after attack. We may be a bunch of racist, misogynist, assholes but at least we are mostly civil and try to make sense when we post. Thought about posting over there to get them to appeal to logic but honestly I don’t want to have to deal with the intense hatred they have for any man that dare thinks he should have the right to pursue love and affection from females. And the male posters on there are the worst.

    1. yep, and again took the whole thing completely out of context. As I posted in my first comment; there would be no mention of the attitudes as a whole that are rife or anything for that matter besides justifying their belief that:
      Women = God’s gift who can do no wrong
      Men = Misogynistic creatures who are purely sociopathic, evil cretins.
      I also said that this concept this belief, it cannot be reasoned with or negotiated with logically and by proxy the people who believe in it. so I have to ask those that read and believe the things from those websites – “what do you expect??”
      when a populace, however small is oppressed in some way they will revolt.

  97. ‘Only sexist women are receptive to game’. That is one of the most hamsterific titles I’ve witnessed this weekend.

  98. So I was taking a shit n reading this and there’s a few quick things.
    Bonobo apes. Proof on topic
    Disney delusion. Cause of male and female OCD about “perfect” and ultimately boring relationships.
    Marriage before sex morality that came about to hold families together when abortion and birth control hardly existed.
    The entire religious foundation that builds your reality is based on Sumerian mythology and can’t even get the stories straight.
    Rabbit hole goes way deeper then this. Way way way.

    1. Except female bonobs seem to give sex to the males in order to keep them calm and in check. American women and most women in general do not. If all men were able to get laid even just every now and again I can guarantee that society would be less violent and a more productive and a better place, but sadly we have std’s.
      Congrats on the poop though. Taking a good dump is extremely underrated in today’s society.

      1. Yes it was fulfilling.
        I really can’t relate to this guy. As I did two nights ago it takes an hour in a bar talking to three different women to pull ass and close the deal that night. I learned a long time ago. If you’re good at what you do. You workout. You get a tan and you learn how to say. “Hi, I’d like to borrow your ass for about 4 hours tonight. Don’t worry I’ll give it back in mostly one piece when I’m done.” and keep a straight face you’re good. I’ve never had trouble pulling ass, but I have had tons of trouble understanding the rationalization hamster and entitlement monkey.
        Personally I get laid way less when I go out with friends.

        1. “Hi, I’d like to borrow your ass for about 4 hours tonight. Don’t worry I’ll give it back in mostly one piece when I’m done.”
          I have bets with my wingman as to which pick up lines will work or not work. If they work for me I get laid and I get $$ from my wingwan, but if they don’t work I own him $$. Good times.

  99. Wisdom begins the day you stop blaming anyone else for your problems.
    If you have the stomach, his full manifesto is out there on the internet, I found something called MyTwistedLife-ElliotRodger.mobi for example.

  100. Yes having game helps but…..the same sordid education given to men is also given to women in America. In addition to the above you also have full-blown narcissism and lack of responsibility. I dont even think this guy qualifies as a beta male.

  101. I’d like to thank Raw Story, Slate, etc. etc. for bringing me to RoK for the first time. What an eye opener. Let me know if I can chip in for the bill for the massive traffic spike RoK is enjoying now!

    1. Please enjoy your stay and read some of the other articles that we have as well. They are sorted by the date they were published or by category if you prefer. I would avoid the search function as it is not up to the same level as other sites you might be used to.

  102. Hey Roosh. Do you want to know why you’re a fucking charlatan?
    You watched his videos and read his manifesto, then based all your conclusions off of it, despite the obvious problems with this method of reduction:
    1. The document isn’t face-checked yet.
    2. It’s one-sided and written by someone mentally ill. These documents tend to be fabricated. You didn’t seem to care about that, taking his word on things. Maybe you should deal with mentally ill people more often. What they write down is about as far away from the truth as you can get a lot of the time.
    3. A computer mimicking the human brain takes up about a city block, yet you seem to be able to deduce an entire person’s timeline in one afternoon.
    Give it up. If you were actually smart, you’d have a job that requires talent. Instead you do this charlatan bullshit.
    People who get paid to write for a living are all laughing at you. You’re not good at anything. And you know it. Stop spreading your myopic worldview on people.

  103. Frankly, I think part of the problem is that a lot of guys that teach pick up hate their old self and are appauled at who they were, so when they finally strike that right balance (that for some of us, including myself, a pick up coach YEARS) they might say “I was an AFC and now I’m a PUA” yet, they really never divulge themselves completely probably because they fear they will be attacked or their old “afc” selves will rub off on them.
    And I agree with PUA Hate at one level, a lot of it is gimmick, hype and fluff. Who the fuck REALLY believes a goldfish will get you laid?
    We (as marketers) have to make this shit look easy or else it will scare off a lot of potential clients, yet, that works out in the clients detriment because they don’t understand what it’s REALLY like to be a cowboy out in that field.
    I recently dropped out of the pick up artist community marketing because I felt that in order to become marketable, I had to bury the truth behind some “goldfish” gimmick. Now, I am doing things my own way, have no problem admitting that I’ve still got a long way to go before I’m legitimate James Bond and if the long answer is what it takes to get it into these guys heads than that’s what I’ll give.
    Breaks my heart that Elliot has had his heart broken to this extent.
    Breaks my heart that we live in a world where one rumor about you or one awkward statement out of the usual can get you blacklisted.
    And the only way you’re going to survive it all is being a fucking cowboy and being willing to drop anyone out of your life that doesn’t benefit your purpose.
    It sucks we live in a world where women don’t say what they really mean or that guys feel like they have to act like gay, finicky women just to get acceptance from women.
    This is the world we live in, so we turn as many women our way, even if it’s just for a night or 2, befriend other cowboys who feel the same way about life as you and we live our lives with purpose.
    If you’re a PUA and you’re reading this, go as deep inside of yourselves to offer your soul when dealing with these guys, even if it makes you look a little “soft” and “weak” because it just might prevent something like this from happening again.

  104. Actual alpha males don’t need to tell people they’re alpha males. Alpha males also get laid. You virgins are NOT alpha males and you never will be.

    1. The first rule of alphadom. DO NOT TAKE ABOUT ALPHADOM!! If you say you are alpha you are not.
      Most of the posters here are not virgins. There are a few virgins that post here and on RVF that I know of, but they are still in high school and they are like 14 or 15 years old. I would not ridicule a 14 or 15 year old kid for being a virgin.

    1. You said you are alpha therefore you are not alpha. Take your own advice you dumbfuck.

        1. Well he is German apparently. Which is why he takes everything you say literally. Sarcasm in English will not come easily to him so you could try that.
          Or you could try to chew him out in his mother tongue.

    1. Ever gone to a feminazi website where no dissenting comments are ever allowed (that would be all of them)?
      eat shit, fuck off and die, liar

  105. Oh my god you guys are the biggest faggot dorks ever!!! HAHAHA. This is just too funny. Please, never stop.

  106. No, sorry Roosh. Not buying it. I think the lack of connection with with women is a symptom, not a cause of this guys issues. You could have taught this guy a masters class in game and I doubt it would have made a difference. He was not a bad looking kid and had the material trappings yet most PEOPLE (not just women) were staying clear of him. He must have been sending out some freaky unbalanced vibes. No lessons in game could get rid of that kind of sociopath reek. Plus, if the guy had asbergers, it is really questionable if he could read and heed the social cues that are critical in game. While everybody is blaming everything on this guys breakdown (culture, wealth, women, his parents, violence in movies, here – lack of game.. you name it) it seems to me that crazy does what crazy wants. There will always be sociopaths amongst us. The means of mass destruction are only a bit more accessible.

    1. When exactly did sociopathy become a female repellent?
      There’s a pretty big disconnect with this general train of thought.

      1. True, there are many sociopaths who have been extremely charming and attractive to the opposite sex. But have you read more on this guy? It is pretty obvious that he could barely function in society, never mind attract a girl. His response to this inability was violent thoughts and actions – to practically everybody, his family, people who tried to befriend him, perfect strangers both men and women. That kinda crazy doesn’t happen just ’cause he isn’t getting on with the ladies.

    2. I don’t buy Roosh’s analysis either. There are too many veriables to be accounted for. Could have been crazy could not have been. Could have been any of the factors you listed or not. Also could be like you said, “crazy does what crazy wants.”
      One thing that we can not deny though is the fact that this shit is happening more and more and at a faster rate than ever before. We now have stabbings, shootings, bomb threats/plots, etc. happening at our schools almost every month it seems. Some are successful and some are not. Let us hope that most are not.

  107. Rodger’s manifesto clearly states that his utter failure with women drove him to murder.
    What’s most interesting in the manifesto is that he never once describes speaking with a teenaged or adult woman outside of his family or physicians. Over and over again he describes wandering around outside, alone, in parks and at scenic vistas, etc, expecting women he does not know to simply lay eyes upon him and offer free sex right there.
    How is it rejection or failure if you never speak or actually ask for anything? How were his expectations any different than praying for money to fall out of the sky?
    How were his expectations even remotely rational?

    1. Its not, in his mind however his thought process suggested that in his mind – Ladies should be approaching him, they should be throwing themselves at him as well.
      There’s no telling what or why he came to that conclusion – only it stuck and he seemed fixated on notion that it was real and the rest of the world had something wrong with it rather than adapting.

  108. Well said, Roosh.
    I had not heard of PUAhate until I read Rodger’s 137 pages this afternoon. Seeing what you’ve posted here of it suggests that it may have covered up evidence of actual criminal conspiracies. Having said this, my reading of Rodger is that he was mentally way off the charts. I’m skeptical that any rational program would have actually worked for him. Too whacked, IMHO.

  109. Seems like one long advertorial for selling Rooshs` book…..cynical to the max dude.

  110. I really wanted to see this written. I ‘d donate this instant if you’d accept cryptocurreny and or bitcoins

    1. You should spend that money on learning how not to be a myopic fucking moron.

  111. Saying “no one would have died if he learned game” is like saying “no one would have died if he had no arms and was paralyzed from the waist down.”
    There are plenty of men who are virgins, and have remained so, decades longer than he even lived on this planet. Yet, they somehow manage to not go on killing sprees. Even the ones that get really depressed about it, at most, only kill themselves, no one else.
    It’s because, they’re not fucked in the head. No amount of game could unfuck his head. He didn’t even want to learn game, so it’s not like he was unaware of it. He also could have gotten a prostitute, which despite being illegal, is easily done. You can tell just by his entitlement complex and the way he refers to himself, he had some serious mental issues. Game, would not have fixed that, cause his mental issues would have scared off any nearby vagina.

    1. Maybe game would have made a difference maybe it wouldn’t have. He is dead now so we will never know. Game for the most part requires self improvement. If he had gotten help for his mental issues and worked on his attitude, body, or even changed locations things might have been different.
      Personally I am a big believer on change of location. I have trouble getting laid in America, but I have almost no problem getting laid in other countries. Even the countries that these guys consider “feminist shit holes” such as Sweden and the UK. Hell, in Sweden the woman even hit on me and picked me up at the bar. lol.

      1. Wait so maybe it would AND maybe it wouldn’t? Is there some hidden third answer here I don’t know about? Thanks for saying nothing, although the funny thing is you’ve at least explored the gambit of options unlike Roosh, who draws myopic conclusions from a one-sided manifesto that hasn’t been fact-checked and was written by someone who was mentally ill.

  112. Clearly this guy was disturbed. Of course, the haters are going to use this as fodder against PUAs and MRAs, even though there really isn’t any connection there. The guy was clearly a nut job that bought into the “victim mentality” that is so prevalent in American culture. He just took it much further. He wasn’t an ugly guy as far as I can tell, he just had a mental illness and overwhelming desperation.

  113. As a man I figured hooking up with an uber rich girlfriend would help not to mention I come from a white collar family although I live a blue collar lifestyle in my 30s. Anyways she never had to work a day in her life to make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. She was a second generation trust fund kid. She was the most mature woman I’d met in a long time when it came to her money, but if she so much as spilled coffee on herself her whole day was ruined and she didn’t hold back one bit on me for it. In the end I dumped her after I used some money she gave me for something else to pay the water bill and she called me a piece of shit. I realized at that moment she didn’t even think to consider what I’d smell like, the house toilets you know shit that happens when the water gets turned off. She had never experienced hardships, but the deaths of loved once of which she inherited a fortune. She had terrible game too.
    When we broke up and I told her to fuck off and stopped talking to her she walked into the courthouse and made up a bunch of stuff nd got a restraining order with no consequences or questions. I ws told by my lawyer showing up is a bad thing in these cases

  114. iPad locked up. Point is she had no remorse and played victim despite the fact that the relationship left me financially screwed and now unable to own a gun.
    As a teenager before I understood the hard work that went into things I’d break stuff. Windows. Cars. Houses whatever. No remorse until I learned of the consequences and developed empathy for the hard work and money it costs to fix and have these things. No hard work = bitch made.

  115. Many of the commentators here argue that Rodger did not need to learn how to attract and seduce women. Instead, he needed proper mental health care. However, what is proper mental health care for a patient with an unusual persona which makes it impossible for him to attract women? Rodger was receiving mental health treatment which was ineffective, and it is likely that he had been in and out of such treatment often during his life. What would a female therapist, likely herself socially and politically a liberal feminist, do with this guy? Was anyone on the treatment team able to say to Rodger that being able to fuck women is one of the most important things that a man does and it should be the top priority in his case? Would a treating psychotherapist have been able to practice with him flirting, pick up lines, getting a number, etc? Would his psychotherapist have been able to take him into the field and provide guidance as he tried to meet women in various venues? Here is the value of red pill ideology for a patient like Rodger. I think that very few people in the mainstream mental health community have the skills or the ideological perspective to help a young man like this. In that sense, Roosh is correct that of all the potential interventions which might have prevented this tragedy, getting Rodger the skills necessary to have a girlfriend would probably have been the best approach.
    Many young men share the same frustrations that Rodger experienced. Most do not resort to murder/suicide, but some do. Socially marginalized angry young men need sex with women to help mollify their more violent tendencies. Does anyone see a connection between some male terrorists, many of whom are shut out of dating and marriage in their Islamic societies, and this sort of killing my Rodger?
    An investigation of what went wrong here would be of value in preventing this tragedy in the future. I believe such an investigation, if thoroughly and honestly conducted, will show that the therapists who treated Rodger failed to understand his enormous sexual and romantic frustration and failed to provide proper behavioral therapy for building his skills at meeting, attracting, seducing, and sleeping with women. And that this treatment was not provided because the red pill ideology which supports it is an anathema to the blue pill dominated mental health field.

    1. Playing this down as the case of a young man with mental health issues who simply needed more therapy is a comfortable way to avoid the true crux of the matter.
      Rationalization hamster uber alles.

      1. Needs more therapy? Sounds a lot like “If it ain’t working give ’em more”. Giving an issue more of what you think will work won’t solve most things. Look at how the money the government throws at their drug war issue isn’t solving anything

    2. Rodger manifesto page 67 (Social-skills counselor #1):

      My mother found a life coach to counsel me and help me find a job. This life coach’s name was Tony, a boisterous 40 year old man who came to meet me every other week. For our meetings, Tony usually took me out to lunch somewhere in the Valley, where he gave me advice on socializing and self-improvement.

      Rodger manifesto page 119 (Social-skills counselor #2):

      My parents, along with my psychiatrist Dr. Charles Sophy, arranged for a counsellor to meet me frequently and help me out with my life. His name was Gavin Linderman, a clean-cut 25-year-old. He had a similar role to Tony, my old counselor, except Gavin was much younger and acted more like a friend who could take me out to places. I told him about all of my problems with girls, and all of the hardships I’ve had to face in Santa Barbara.

      Rodger manifesto page 120 (Social-skills counselor #3):

      With the help of Gavin, my parents arranged for me to have a couple of social skills counsellors to work with me in Santa Barbara. They would have a similar role that Gavin did, providing someone to take me out and help me practice socializing. They would be like hired friends. Of course, I did need something like this, and I should have signed up for it when I first moved to Santa Barbara.
      The first counsellor was a very easy going man named Karlin, who was the same age as Gavin. On my first night of meeting Karlin, he took me out to Isla Vista, but nothing came out of it. We just ended up walking around until his time was up. During our walk, I asked him if he had ever had sex with girls in Isla Vista, and he told me he had sex with four girls! After I found this out, I didn’t want to see him anymore.

      Rodger manifesto page 120 continued (Social-skills counselor #4):

      The second counsellor assigned to help me was a girl named Sasha. She was only a year older than me. Sasha was the first young girl I had interacted with in the entire time I stayed in Santa Barbara, and she was only hired to talk to me. How pathetic is that? At first, I didn’t want to have a female counsellor, but when I was introduced to her, I saw that she was quite a pretty looking blonde.
      I couldn’t refuse the opportunity to hang out with a blonde girl, despite the fact that she was a hired friend. It was the only time in my life that I had the experience of spending time with a girl my age, and even though it was all fake, I really enjoyed it. I felt so much better about life after each time we met.
      But then, I thought about how unfair it was that I could only get a fake little taste of such an experience, while other men get to do such a thing every single day with their girlfriends. Eventually, Sasha had to move out of Santa Barbara, and I decided not to have any more female counsellors. It has the same effect as hiring a prostitute, I imagine.

      1. Shiny — Thanks for that. I just read through the manifesto. My suspicion is that these “counselors” were too young, inadequately trained, and their focus was more on spending time with Rodger and not on getting him to move, talk, and act in a more socially acceptable mainstream fashion. This would have required much more detailed coaching and training and I think we would have seen evidence of that in the manifesto. That said, the paid socializing with a woman had some value. Rodger is not given a diagnosis so he spends his entire manifesto wondering why women are not attracted to him. Thus, another treatment failure was not giving him the explanation for his troubles: it was not his physical appearance, but that he acted strangely and he needed to change how he behaves around other people.

        1. Rodger is not given a diagnosis…
          You just blew my mind.
          Rodger had been seeing counselors (in addition to the four social-skills coaches), psychologists and psychiatrists throughout his life. His entire family knew he was deeply disturbed and tried so hard to help him every way they could. Surely his neuropsychiatric diagnoses were not a secret; i.e. not a verboten topic of discussion in the family.
          Isn’t that odd. Despite all those years in therapy, all those conversations about his issues with his parents, all those psychiatric meds he was prescribed and refused to take, the manifesto never once says what his diagnoses actually were.
          In fact, he never acknowledges having a diagnosis at all! Despite his staggeringly detailed memory recall, not one word does he utter about his medical reality. Not one word.
          Wow.

  116. I hope you boys end up with Jim Jones. Please drink the cool aid. The world will be a lot better off if you do.

  117. Game could’ve saved the kid. Mental therapy could’ve saved the kid.
    Legalised prostitution? NO WAY.
    A lot of lives (both males and females) have been destroyed by prostitution right from antiquity. Prostitution is not a cure. There are so many who quote from ‘history’ as to how prostitution was ‘necessary’ in olden times, how it was ‘tolerated’ later on, how it was a part of religious culture in some religions (temple prostitutes), and how it helps modern society.
    Prostitution retards mental and character development for men, at the same time can destroy men physically and financially. Even to ‘enjoy’ prostitution, men must already have swallowed red pill and have self control before. A lot of beta men who fuck prostitutes can’t fucking hold a conversation with women in real life. The only thing they can talk about is sex, but not seduction. And very rarely will a prostitute teach you about seduction – another reason why you should never ask a woman about how to game women. The myth of asking women on how to game women came from medieval France, when courtesans – the highest form of prostitutes – used to instruct young men on the art of seduction, and game, besides offering sexual services. Today you have escorts who claim to have descended from the house of courtesans, but essentially they are nothing but high class expensive whores who offer sex at a higher price. You can’t develop your understanding of women through fucking whores. The only thing you’d get is fast sex, which unfortunately what men want. As a man grows older, he relies less on game and more on whores to get him the pussy he wants.
    And STDs and disease are the biggest dangers through prostitutes. There could be an argument which says women today could all carry STDs due to promiscuity. But think about it. Why was prostitution clamped down in medieval times? Because of the disease factor. If men were marched off to whore houses in medieval and antiquated times to ‘man’ up, don’t forget some of them even ended up getting diseases, for there was no ‘safe sex’ in those days. In those days. safe sex was anal or oral sex, or coitus interruptus.
    Only vigilant prostitutes offer safe sex today. A lot of men practice unprotected buttfucking with whores in Russia, Ukraine, eastern europe, Thailand, France, Latin America, Central America, even today. All spreading to disease. Ukraine has the highest rate of HIV in Europe, followed closely by Russia. Why? Because whores still believe that unprotected sex in the ass won’t cause disease, as it’s an old whores tale.
    I’ve fucked a lot of ‘educated’ Ukrainian and Russian bitches and part-time prostitutes who believed that unprotected anal sex is ‘safe sex’, and they wouldn’t mind being raw dogged in their anuses, because they ‘liked’ me for being their regular John. I didn’t do that of course. But I wondered, wouldn’t they offer the same ‘unprotected’ service to their other regular Johns, out of a ‘liking’, yet casually opening up a dangerous channel for STDs? Ignorance can kill.
    Men in suburban Mexico, Central america and Latin America think urinating after fucking whores without protection , will purify and protect their own systems from STDs!!! Ignorance abounds again. Unprotected anal with whores abounds in the world today, with the rise of heterosexual anal porn and also the prevalence of deluded old whores tales and beliefs about anal sex. Whores don’t think twice about fucking their customers unprotected if he pays her well or he is a regular customer. Which all can cause transmission of disease. The unsuspecting carrier of disease will then spread disease in society. When it comes to sex, men are not responsible in their eagerness, and whores are not responsible in their general indifference, because what counts is money in the end. A few thousands of ‘educated’ whores who only offer protected sex does not change the risk of an overwhelming number of whores who’d offer unprotected sex throughout the world. Even educated whores will allow their regular customers to raw dog them.
    Women are ALWAYS IRRESPONSIBLE AND UNTRUSTWORTHY, especially when it comes to sex. Whores, are after all women. When it comes to sex, the onus of responsibility for personal safety lies on men. Unfortunately, men’s sense of responsibility gets blinded by the eagerness of their boners. Let’s not over-idealize prostitution as a solution to the rise of feminism, a lot of men have destroyed their lives and families by falling in ‘love’ with their favorite but controlling prostitutes. Every woman is dangerous for men. Men must enjoy women, but with care.
    A man who hasn’t developed mentally in my opinion is not fit and responsible enough to use prostitutes. Men like Elliot Rodger will suffer more by using prostitution. Because a prostitute’s sense of responsibility only extends to the amount of cash you’d pay her. Beyond that, she wouldn’t fucking care. Let’s not delude ourselves into believing that whores are hookers with a hearts of gold. That again is a feminist indoctrination to make men believe that fallen women can still be ‘good’ women. All women today are not to be trusted.

  118. This little bastard didn’t get any sex because he’s fucking tapped. Watch his video for 60 seconds, and in considering his behaviors, it is readily apparent that he is a narcissistic psychopath. One can’t argue that these types of people can be made to disappear; they exist.

      1. Ted Bundy got laid. Jeffrey fucking Dahmer got laid. Like tiles too.
        You clowns aren’t even trying anymore.

  119. This is a masterpiece Roosh. You take all the mainstream arguments (e.g., feminist) and turn them against themselves.
    Your case is irrefutable using rational arguments.
    Contemporary feminist dominated society is to blame for these 6 deaths.
    While Elliot Rodger did not get the benefit of the Manosphere, I am sure that you have touched many young men like him, saving their lives and the lives of others. That is something to feel very good about. Thank you.

  120. I am a UCSB student. A girl I knew was killed a block away from where I lived. You make many salient points and I agree with many of your statements. However, just know that this article is being read by many of us. Your wording is pretty freaking bad… and it is pissing alot of people off.

    1. Then stay pissed. Still doesn’t make the truth any less than the truth. And besides who is he pissing off? A few beer guzzling frat guys and soulless iPhone texting drunken sorority college sluts? Yeah… bad.

      1. Lance buddy… sure I’ll stay pissed. Keep up that ego and ignorance buddy… Can’t wait to see it bite you in the ass one day

        1. Ego? Wtf are you talking about? Is it egoistical to criticize a nation being turned into shit? To see a once proud patriarchal family centered country turn into a land full of yoga pants wearing iwhores devoid of any sense of motherhood or decency their parents possessed does make me bitter. To see the men turned into pathetic wimpering manginas like yourself who’ll placate every stupid civilizational wrecking whore whom guys like me discard with ease, just to land a shot at getting “some” does make me angry, so sorry douchebag if I don’t feel sorry for a few campus sluts.

        2. Oh no certainly not egotistical at all Master PUA! I certainly must take classes with you some day and learn the ways of what we were 200 years ago.

        3. Keep your faggoty “wit” too, I’m sure you probably learnt that from watching Rachel Maddow one too many times. If the choice is between being like you and so many other simps of my generation or someone in 1814, I’d rather take the latter any day.

        4. I was hoping you’d unfaggoty me with your wise 1814 ways… just out of curiosity MasterPUA Christopher, how many? Oh instead telling me on here, use your magic PUA powers and telepathically beam it into my head.

      2. +1 for you Lance, its hard not to look at this world with contempt. And Jimmy, what will bite you in the ass is when everything we say hits home to you, but unfortunately you wont post it because somewhere down in your mind you wont be able to admit, that we were right – and you were wrong.

        1. dawg, i interned for a PUA…I know the deal. You guys are so funny…big arguments based on all assumptions you pulled out your ass…
          When I look at you guys. I don’t see real PUAs. I see miserable disrespectful old men with egos so big their self interests cloud any sense of compassion for others. Why so miserable? This stuff not working out for you?

        2. Real PUAs, they’re freaking happy! They appreciate girls dude and they would be the first to offer condolences to people that witnessed mass murders. You guys aren’t PUAs, you guys male rejects.

        3. @jimmy – ill give you an itemised view of my compassion levels and WHERE I direct them:
          Do I feel compassion for the killer – short answer no, there was nothing justifiable about having his “Day of Redemption”
          Do I feel compassion for the victims – Absolutely, unless he was defending himself or his loved ones (which we know he wasn’t) no one should die that way.
          Do I feel compassion for the families – absolutely, Elliot’s parents have lost their firstborn and 6 families will be burning a memorial candle at Christmas instead of enjoying their company.
          Do I agree with the feminists?? – nope, because (as was shown on rawstory I think it was) the incident means SFA to them, and those people’s memories will be taken in vain to further a cause against a group that THEY (feminists) don’t agree with, to achieve an objective that is at best a vague idea rather than a concrete set of directives as most of what actual feminists wanted, they have in SPADES!!
          after seeing the article on rawstory – and taking a look at the extreme of where this could lead. it could lead anywhere but where I most likely see it going is the ability to give women effectively a “license to kill” based on the self-defense argument which this incident with Elliot Rodgers will be the precedent for the same. think on that.

    2. So you recognize the truth in the article’s salient points, yet you’re pissed off over “the wording”.
      You know how I know you’re a huge faggot?

  121. If someone is so deeply insane that they are obsessed with violence and display serious detachment from objective reality, how is getting laid supposed to be some kind of magical elixir that would have turned the shooter into a saint? God, what delusional thinking.
    Would getting laid have stopped the Columbine killers?

    1. Actually, it probably would have, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand. You shit for brains libtards don’t understand anything.

      1. Apparently you seem to live in some kind of magical fantasy world where having sex once with one person changes someone’s entire history in work, education, family background, childhood, etc. God, you’re delusional.

        1. Telling, how you found it necessary to add the operative word “once” in there. Knowing full well of course that having sex “once” probably won’t cure long term sexual frustration, but tacitly understanding that sexual frustration may in fact be at the heart of the issue, despite your protests to the contrary.
          Very telling indeed.

        2. I just realized that you’re a tranny.
          Yes, that’s right gentlemen, a fucking TRANNY is calling us confused/delusional/what have you.
          The inmates truly are running the asylum.

    2. You’re a fucking retard.
      How would not feeling abject pain and distress every time you see a couple help with not killing them in order to lash out have helped? I dunno, you tell me.

  122. Dear Roosh,
    Your article hits it on the mark. This whole thing makes me very sad. I was a member of PUAHATE, and no, I’m not some sad pathetic virgin. I’ve slept with way more women than the average man because I had Game. PUAHATE was a rougher site, but it was certainly not some extreme misogynistic, evil site like the media is portraying it to be. Sure, it had some posters that were way out there, and a small group of guys who sadly praised Elliot for what he did…..but there were tons of ordinary users there that were just normal guys who struggled with women. It is ironic, because now this site is blacklisted as absolute evil, yet sites like Jezebel and other feminist sites spew out man hating bullshit all the time. Yet society defends these feminist sites and their hatred for men, yet condemns sites like PUAHATE.
    I want to write so much right now, but you pretty much covered everything I have said. You hit the nail on the head. I’m in shock about how society has treated the situation with the aftermath. They simply put the “crazy loser” label on Elliot without even looking at the whole, holistic situation of what is really going on in the dating world. It’s like no one sees the big picture. Feminism is making a lot of men lonely and miserable. Things are unfair for men. And instead of correcting the situation in order to make things more balanced between the genders, society has turned its back on men and doesn’t give a shit about them. What’s even more amazing is how naive people are to the actual problems of what is happening right now. You are right too….there will be more and more shootings from lonely men who have been outcasted by society. It is very sad and unfortunate…..however, it might wake the western world up to what many men are going through who live in the West.
    I won’t get into the argument of looks versus game with you either. Looks are ultimately more important than game, unfortunately, in getting women. However, we can improve our looks somewhat, and game still does matter. Either way, the whole thing is tragic, and if only Elliot would have had a way to be accepted by women…if only society would have took him in with open arms and tried to include him…..instead of saying “man up” and “too bad, deal with your problems like a man should” none of this bullshit would have happened.

    1. There’s no way to know if his getting laid would have helped, reading his manifesto it seemed like he was pissed at anyone who had something he didn’t. he also seemed more focused on being pissed at them than doing something about it.
      This article is excellent as it highlights so many systems that failed Elliot, at its core though it seems like he wasn’t handling what happens to most men on a daily basis.

  123. Hey Roosh, your mom said to get off your corpulent ass, wash the Cheetos dust off your fingers, and clean up the basement that you’ve called home ever since you flunked out of college. That’s right kiddo, time to tear yourself away from World of Warcraft & internet porn, sweep up all those crusty tissues off the floor, and GROW THE FUCK UP. Seriously, Real Men, who have real lives and real responsibilities, laugh at puerile little wannabe piss stains like you and your fellow “PUA” basement-dwelling posers.

    1. So these “real men” also post angrily on this site, using many cliches, etc? Retort. Debate. Say something.

    2. do you even understand how irrational you look making such a juvenile post, I would expect maybe a 12 year old kid to make such a pointless post like that,you aren’t a real man or even close to it

  124. The saddest part in all of this is: no one will learn anything.
    The self absorbed, solispsistic cunts will, as usual, whine about how “NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO WOMEN HURRRRRR” while constantly complaining about the horrible feeling of having to watch happy couples while being lonely (and receiving sympathy for it). They vote for politicians that push for redistributionist policies, even when they make absolutely no sense. (health care) They approve of the family court meatgrinder that leaves many children fatherless, rob a man of his assets and give it to the woman, along with alimony and child support, under the threat of prison/death.
    Then there is the laughable idea that fat women are being “marginalized” (even though they can still get laid) by the media, even though it is plain biology.
    Homosexuals are being catered to by shitting on an institution that is thousands of years old. People actually engage in stating 2+2=5 by referring to transsexuals as women/men even though they’re not.
    But a man that is incapable of achieving intimacy with women? STOP FEELING ENTITLED TO WOMEN YOU MISOGYNIST!
    I can’t really understand a guy that actually planned to kill his own halfbrother and stepmother (along with those that he actually killed). However, the REAL story here is the utter unwillingness of essentially sociopathic, empathy<challenged cunts, to at least consider life from the perspective of someone who isn’t like them. ALL they are capable of feeling is “EWWWWW, omega, DO NOT WANT”.

    1. “I can’t really understand a guy that actually planned to kill his own halfbrother and stepmother (along with those that he actually killed). However, the REAL story here is the utter unwillingness of essentially sociopathic, empathy challenged cunts, to at least consider life from the perspective of someone who isn’t like them. All they are capable of feeling is “ewwwww, omega, DO NOT WANT.” “

  125. As obvious as this may sound, this tragic event is a red flag that there is something seriously wrong with our society. This wouldn’t have happened in the 50’s. Ever since this liberal, feminist, homo PC BS was tolerated, society has declined steadily, starting at its core – the family unit. In the 50s, society was much more healthy in terms of family life and romantic relationships. Women were fit to be mothers – they were trust-worthy, not cringe-worthy. Men were raised (with a real father in their lives) to be men, and didn’t have to jump through hoops to get a woman to even say “hi” to him. Men weren’t mocked and demonized in the media, and boys were not made to feel ashamed of their masculinity when they were growing up (unlike today). Women were taught to be respectful to others (men included), instead of expecting the man to be happy with being walked all over. People in those days weren’t raised by single mothers who took out their hatred of men on their sons.
    Now, about Elliot Rodger. It is normal for a man to desire a woman, but in this day and age, he valued the women around him too much. He didn’t see their flaws, and thinking they were these perfect beings, he only recognized how their rejection made him feel. He didn’t realize that women (esp. in liberal feminist entitled Cali) most likely wouldn’t have been capable of giving him the love and affection he said he desired. He didn’t realize that many of those women are vapid, insecure, and nothing special. He didn’t realize the legal dangers he was placing himself into, when he walked around at night trying to approach women (false rape accusation, etc.) The man dressed well, drove a nice car, as an honest attempt on his part to be successful with women. After all, that’s what men are often told will bring them success with women – that riches are what many women value most. Growing up in an environment where children (even himself at times) were taunted for “being poor” only justified that outlook. So he did everything he could to place value on what women valued – material objects. Also, he sought mental help, only to be not taken seriously by authorities, so he did make another attempt to alleviate his problems, which sadly failed. It sounds like he bought into what is being told to men everywhere – that they have no value as human beings if they’re virgins, or don’t have a girlfriend, etc. This is a problem – that a man’s value is being measured by women (if he can have one or not), and this is putting too much power/control in womens’ hands. This is why women feel perfectly fine with mocking and humiliating a man that simply tries to talk to them – they know they have this power/control.
    I think people need to learn to be more independent. It’s normal to want a relationship, but it really needs to be stressed that happiness/contentment with oneself should be attained first, before a relationship. Elliot Rodger was not content with living without a girlfriend – he depended too heavily upon women for happiness, he valued them too highly (who is now labeled a “misogynist”).
    In short, don’t place so much value on these feminist cunts. The value of a woman (or lack of) is proven by her actions/behaviour over time.
    Also – imagine the difference in reaction if the genders were reversed? I can just see it…everyone would sympathize with the shooter, and agree that “men are jerks” while boasting that “men better watch that they don’t piss off the wrong gal”.

    1. The fact that we still have to bribe women with shiny trinkets and polished vehicles for transportation still shows me that the only reason man still lives like an animal is because of women. For about 60 years now, we’ve believed women could transcend being an animal without the aid of patriarchy under the auspices of religion, and women have failed. You put a man in a monastery and make him battle his urges and in a few years that man becomes something closer to God. Put a man in a classroom with half-dressed sluts, and watch him quickly debase himself for the chance at penetrating an iwhore. I wish men could find it to band together against the excesses and trespasses of women, for some reason this generation of men, can’t.

      1. I think men should start having standards about the women they get involved with, while not allowing themselves to be treated like crap by women. It’s easy to think that cringe-worthy women (that seem to be everywhere in western society) is “normal”, and a lot of men might feel ostracized or strange for thinking that way – especially when even the trashiest of women has 100 mangina white-knights at her service. But it seems that men are the independent variable, if men change, women change..just like if men allow and reward women’s crappy behaviour, women will continue to worsen. I think a movement of men collectively having standards to hold women accountable to could possibly work (without kowtowing to pressure from feminist outrage). I mean, women make it known that they have standards for the men they date (ridiculous ones at that), so why can’t men?
        Basically, refusing the cunts and starving them of any kind of attention, while only paying attention to women that have class and are respectful (very rare in the west). Then maybe the common feminist-indoctrinated cunt will wise up, and at the very least try to portray the image of the women they see the men going after. But after this much feminist indoctrination, I don’t know if that’s possible…it wouldn’t happen overnight, that’s for sure.

        1. The very first thing that should be condemned is a high anonymous cock count and any blatant feminist values. I honestly do this right now. Qualify all women Im with. Ask them about their pasts ect. Most aren’t worth it. Im not ruled by hormones so I can sit back and take a pick. Sturgeon’s law and all that.

      2. Do you know a female human outside of your immediate family? Or do you just project your pathetic hate and failures onto strangers in order to make you feel better about yourself.

        1. Oh look at this feminist whore trolling, go back to raw story you fat ugly cunt…..

    2. I think you are mistaken, sir. It’s not that men have no value as human beings, it’s that you don’t have any value as a human being. Gender has nothing to do it.

      1. Where did I say men have no value as human beings? Read my post again, and repeat until you understand it correctly. My point was that if a man doesn’t have a girlfriend then he’s deemed a failure.

        1. Don’t worry, usual femicunt troll shaming as always. They’re so predictable it’s pathetic, really.

  126. Me thinks MSN will soon report he was a confirmed member of the Tea Party and the NRA, watched Duck Dynasty, and contributed to Prop 8 in California.
    On a separate note, grow up guys: stop with the “I hate women…. women suck” thing. You are just shouting out to the world that you are basement-dwelling loser.

  127. http://mashable.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-profile/ Read this timeline folks.
    Getting laid wouldnt have stopped this. The kid was entitled out the ying yang. Problems galore. He was made about not being more rich…getting depressed about not winning the lottery. Who goes to learn how to use weapons because of something like that?
    The guy couldnt even make male friends. Puzzy wouldnt have fixed this. The d-bag even through coffee on a random couple one time. And at a party he tried shoving people off ledges.
    He was a privleged yet entitled little brat who hated that other people were happier than he was. Look at the interview his college aged neighbor gave. People his age tried to connect with him…but the kid didnt even try.
    RODGER WAS THE PROBLEM. No one else. Simply assuming that getting laid would have fixed things or stopped all this is ignorant and lacks critical thinking. We are pretending murderous playboys or violent average men never existed.
    There are plenty of guys who deal with lack of luck with women…and they arent massacring people.

    1. Well said. It wasn’t PUA or manosphere involvement that caused this. It wasn’t lack of game that caused this. This guy had a generalized hatred of anybody and everybody who he believed had it better than him. Pretty sure that at any given time in human history there have been people like this running around, and eventually going nuclear. Roosh wrote this without giving much thought to the guy’s history. Or worse, is co-opting this situation to fit nicely with RoK’s particular worldview. Either way, not the finest hour of this site.

    2. Game and manosphere go way beyond getting laid and socializing. It is about finding yourself, defining your own values as an individual. This site is not limited to getting ass but giving purpose to your life, accepting your shortcomings and mortal condition.
      Manosphere is not limited to outer game, it is an introvertive philosophy for those who see that getting laid is only something in a man’s life. Men who have success (however they want to define this) with women have realized that women are nothing more than a companion in a life’s quest.
      This is where manosphere will ultimately bring you to.

    3. “RODGER WAS THE PROBLEM. No one else. Simply assuming that getting laid would have fixed things or stopped all this is ignorant and lacks critical thinking. We are pretending murderous playboys or violent average men never existed.”
      You have the logical reasoning ability of a slug.
      When did anyone claim that people ONLY murder because of involuntary celibacy you fucktard?

      1. Do you know how to fvking comprehend simple ideas?
        My point was that there is no clear evidence that vagina would have prevented this…especially when murderers who arent incels exist.
        People are making an assumption that getting laid would stop this without reading the manifesto and really understanding Rodger’s personality. This was a kid who was already well off, but wanted to be more rich. And when he failed at the Lotto, he went to get guns to plan his rampage.
        Think about that…when things dont go his way…his solution is murder. So why would getting laid by a cute girl fix anything? He was a narcissistic idiot with deluded thoughts. If he reacted the way he did about Lotto, its not farfetched at all to think that getting laid would leave him unfulfilled.
        A guy like him would still want to kill because he would reason that he was not getting the exact girls he deserved. Its clear from his manifesto and from people who knew him, that the kid barely tried to fix anything.
        He became violent whenever things didnt go exactly how he felt they should. He wanted money and fame….but ignored the fact that he was already well off and had more status then most people.

    4. Its because of the fucking Internet. Lame-ass society we live in that people feel the need to boast and brag about all their “happiness” and success. Need to post it on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, et al. “Look at me, how sexy and happy I am ! ” and “look how much fun I am having with my friends out at the club !”
      I mean seriously, what the fuck is it with bitches these days? Are their egos really that depleted they must constantly nourish them by attention-whoring and rubbing their shit in everyones face??
      This discussion about – ohh he had Asbergers blah blah blah. He was just a dorky 22 year-old that couldnt fit in where he lived. Could find cool friends or hobbies, he grew up in a fucked up video game and internet world surrounded by images of pussy and people having fun and it got to him. Thats all.
      When I grew up we just built and drove fast cars, dranked beer, smoked tons of weed, did acid and coke. Some dudes got laid, some didnt. Nobody cared. We found other fun shit to do. This kid seemed to think that pussy was the most important thing in the world. Remember, people are a product of everyone and everything they have encountered since birth. If he would have grown up in another time and place this shit probably wouldnt have happened.

  128. Roosh we need more mods here. There are alot of bitches that need to be chucked out.

      1. I stumbled across this site a few weeks ago, read with interest a few articles and lots of comments. One commenter stood out as having extreme hatred of women, I think his name was Saturn or Devil or something. I thought uh oh, he’s nuts and extremely dangerous.
        After hearing of yet another tragic shooting in America and his ‘payback’ to women, I wondered about that extreme crazy woman hater here. Do you know who I’m talking about? I don’t have time to trawl through the comments. Do you have any suspicions aboutcommenters that they could be or become murderers, serials killers/rapists, kidnap women etc and do you have a way to report to the authorities? Just wondering.

      2. I think you could have more success if you started a closed group on FB. You could only admit people you approved of, and could easily block those you didn’t want, not only from posting, but from even seeing the conversation. Maybe the format’s the problem.

    1. Wow, this kid was a straight up tool. I felt bad at first when I read about him being beat up at that party. I know he tried to shove people off a ledge and was talking a lot of smack, but I felt bad for how irrational and saddening his mindset and life was for him emotionally.
      But when you read stuff like what you just shared…him dumping coffee on some strangers because they wouldnt smile at him…wow. And he wished it was scalding hot too. Yeah Im glad those frat boys kicked his ass.
      Rodger may have been bullied when he was younger…but who knows….its possible he was the actual bully growing up. Because he definitely sounded like a bully during his adult years.

    2. “the crime of not giving me the attention and adoration I so rightfully deserved” – what the fuck?! what the fucking fuck?!
      let me guess…spoiled rich single kid?! sounds like it after all. he didn’t need ‘game’, he needed to have been stripped off his privileges and work for his fucking money and what he thought he was entitled to or deserved.
      what an asshole.

  129. It disappoints me that he didn’t just pay to fuck women. He could do his deed and just leave. Get the best bit, and not put up with the crap from most of these so called slags that call themselves women. Very sad state of affairs, but people must have picked up some creepy ‘vibe’ and kept away from him. Unfortunately, it proved to be right…

  130. Hang on a tick. So the whole solution to this problem is to have thrown some poor chick to this sick creep who would probably have obsessed over her, stalked her, harassed her and then slit her throat when his creepy nature scared her away. Riiight….

  131. QUOTE: “The manosphere is misogynist”
    And i expect at some point it’s going to become illegal. Mainstream society refuses to hear men, period. It’s a combination of make hatred combined with piece-of-shit white knights who cater to feminists.
    How long will it be until “society” decides to handle this issue by mandating that all newly born infant boys are to be castrated? I’m serious…

    1. Calm down buddy. The manosphere isnt going anywhere. Actual hate groups exist on forums like Stormfront…and people involved in white nationalism have committed murders over the years and even recently in the news.
      Freedom of Speech makes it so that even the stupidest people can congregate online and talk about what they want.
      So if our government hasnt done away with those guys…what makes you think they are gonna be able to take out the manosphere?

      1. No one really cares about minorities, but when the majority is in a constant state of hysteria like female voters and their slaves are anything is possible.

  132. Awesome article, Roosh.
    It’s quite evident sexual frustration played a part in this fellow’s actions, although let’s not dismiss the fact that he definitely had other serious personality issues.
    Some of our esteemed commentators are adamant that had he at least had sex with prostitutes, his frustration would have been assuaged. I’m a bit skeptical personally. Yes, buying sex might have helped, but I think the issue ran deeper for him. More than just the sex, he was after approval and validation from women (and people in general) that he was worthy of love, respect and intimacy.
    Paying for a prostitutes’ services can work if you are only after the quick sex and understand that’s the only thing you are paying for. But it won’t work if what you are really after is the emotional and validation component. In his manifesto (going on parts quoted by other commentators), he did remark how the only people who tried to stick around and have some sort of relationship with him was because they were *paid* to do it, in the form of counselors, life coaches and ‘friends for hire’. He goes on to say how that fact itself reinforced his own self image as an unworthy loser. So I don’t think sex for hire would have cut it either. He wanted someone to want him voluntarily for who he was. Only that would have proven to him that he was a worthy human being.
    Let’s face it: who of us, at the time when we were still virgins, didn’t feel a bit like that? His rants about how women threw themselves at ‘obnoxious’ guys and totally disregarded him, reflect the feelings of every young guy of that age who was not lucky to find himself in the top percent of men whom women chase, and who starts to realize the disconnect which we call the red pill. Unfortunately, he didn’t have the mental and emotional fortitude to find a way to cope and improve. His constant frustration and feelings of invisibility eventually led him to what was in his mind a ‘grand gesture’ and a big fuck you to society, and the way to finally force people to pay attention to him.
    Sometimes when people repeatedly fail to get love and attention, they decide they’d rather be hated than ignored. And hate is usually just thwarted love that gets twisted into something destructive.
    I don’t know if a wise mentor taking him under his wing and teaching him red pill knowledge and game could have prevented the tragedy. We’ll never know now. But I agree with Roosh that probably it would have made a difference.

  133. All you men who demand more sex? That’s what your buddy’s mouth is for and that’s what your mouth is for. Use them on each other, just as you have done for years.

  134. Real men don’t blame women for their inability to have sex.
    Real men understand that women are not objects or targets to be acquired.
    Real men don’t call the act between two people “game”.
    Real men don’t trivialize the feelings of women because they’re scared of losing power.
    Nope, no real men here. Just a bunch of angry, confused, self-entitled creatures. So sad.

    1. Real women don’t blame men for their inability to form relationships, by acknowledging the fact that the overwhelming majority of their entitled callous slutty sisters treat men as expendable ATMs and dildos.
      Real women understand that men are not objects, tools or targets to be acquired to satisfy their own solipsistic demands and irrational behavior.
      Real women understand the act between two people today as love and trust, when the fact is that their fellow women killed this long back with the advent of feminism, with their whoring, entitled behavior and sluttiness.
      Real women don’t trivialize the feelings of men because they’re scared of losing the power that 50 years of feminist indoctrination of the West has granted modern women today.
      AND MOST OF ALL
      Real men understand the plight and suffering of the average man in the western world, and don’t join forces with feminazis to betray their own fellow brothers.
      Yep man, you’re not a real man. You’re a cunt trolling as a man here.

      1. No, I’m a guy. And I don’t think of all women as cunts. In fact I don’t think of any women that way. I’m sorry you’re so filled with hate for women. What happened to you? You should talk to someone about it. Because you exhibit all the warning signs of the guy who just murdered a bunch of people. Please, get help. I’m not joking. Talk to someone. Preferably a doctor or psychologist.

        1. Your a chick. You aren’t fooling anybody. LOL!!!! Stop lying. Only a chick uses the type of language you do.

    2. Oh shut the fuck up you obnoxious, trite whiteknight.
      Do you think you’re being cute or clever by pointing out that this dude was an abject loser?
      What’s next? The Titanic sunk?

    3. You again…amazed that you are still alive. Do us all a favour and kill yourself white knight.

    4. Ok I now understand how “Real” men ought to behave, thank you. Now if you would please explain how “Real” women should behave as well?

    5. I’m a model, and I deal w/ so many weird people thinking they are entitled to have sex with me.
      I can tell their all shallow and don’t care about my personality…
      If you’re guilty of only liking only hot women than don’t hate them for them only like you for your money or whatever…
      your fault.
      People are easier to read than you realize.

  135. I read comments in the comment section here sometimes that sound a lot like the shit this angry, messed up boy was saying. You can give some people all the knowledge in the world and they will take from it what they want. Game (especially inner game) is vital but there are people who only pretend to play.

    1. What is with all this “game” bullshit? Just talk to women like a normal human being. If they aren’t interested in you, don’t harass them, just move on.

      1. Essay question:
        Have you ever read any books like How To Win Friends And Influence People? If so, do you think that adapting your style and approach to suit the situation and people you’re interacting with is a valid technique, or should you just “talk to them like normal people”, and let the chips fall where they may?

  136. You have options. They cost a few bucks at a sex shop, they’re called “blow-up dolls”.

  137. I’ve spend two days reading articles posted on here and comments to them are certainly more misoginistic than posts on puahate. Puahate is 95% trolling, this shit here is real.

  138. Hey Roosh you shouldn’t ban anyone for responding to me, I’m actually a tranny. So no responding to females doesn’t apply!

  139. #Yesallwomen run the risk of becoming ‘cat ladies’.
    #Yesallwomen can nag…
    #Yesallwomen can make an unfortunate tragedy… all… about… themselves…

  140. “We live in a society where being shy, normal, or a little awkward is duly punished by entitled American women who have been encouraged to pursue exciting and fun casual sex in their prime with sexy and hot men as a way of ‘experimentation.’”
    I see this all the time. My advice: quit going after these women. If you’re a shy man, find a shy woman. She may not be as hot as the loose American woman described, but chances are, you’re probably not much of a looker either.

    1. Problem is that two awkward people together produces twice the awkwardness

      1. Haha! I would think so, but fortunately (or unfortunately in other cases) our parents are not our only sources of influence.

  141. Being shy, introverted and intelligent is very painful in today’s society. You have to witness stupidity everywhere and talking about it logically makes you look even weaker to most people. My personal work is to focus on physical domination through BJJ and Muay Thai combined with direct game and not taking shit from any cunt. Learn to recognize other intelligent logical men. We are the true aristocracy. All others are to be treated like the dogs they are, they only respect those that are perceived as higher status.

    1. ^^^
      Up-vote this man’s comment.

      Learn to recognize other intelligent logical men. We are the true aristocracy. All others are to be treated like the dogs they are, they only respect those that are perceived as higher status.

  142. Lemme get this straight: you teach men how to pick up women for casual sex . . . and then slut shame the very women you’re trying to pick up if you ARE successful with them?
    Therapy, guys. Therapy.
    Amazingly, the vast, vast, vast majority of men don’t get sex-on-command, they don’t need strategies to pick up women, and they fall somewhere between super shy and very outgoing — and they don’t kill people while sexually frustrated. This guy was unhinged. The responsibility for his behavior lies solely on his own shoulders. PUA sites (and the advice their proprietors provide) encourage the dehumanization of women; they are not a solution to this problem.

  143. I would send Mr. Roosh some money so he could buy a clue, but he’d probably spend it on a prostitute and beat the shit out of her because, let’s face it, men are superior and women should know their place. [Note: this was sarcasm. I feel, considering the mentally challenged state of ‘return of kings’, to point this out.]

    1. Dude, I’ve kind of come to the same conclusion. A lot of guys here are just DUMB…and one look at the guys who actually are successful with women.
      It isn’t about the ability to blindly follow a doctrine and recite “game” talking points. What everyone is missing is that the male in question was highly feminized.

      1. I don’t think what you are saying (which I do agree with) goes against manosphere views at all. The need for self improvement and cultivating your masculinity is stressed all the time. Some call it your ‘inner game’. Of course just trying to recite game scripts is a very superficial approach. It has to come from a place of inner confidence and masculinity.

  144. Jesus people….don’t you understand, HE DID LEARN PUA GAME….and it just made things worse, because mainstream PUA game is a scam. It’s made to sell ebooks with the promise of being able to get laid without doing substantial improvement.
    What would have saved this man’s life would have been de-feminizing him. Even a few weeks in boot camp might have done the trick(worked for me).
    Do you know why I say that? Because I used to be that frustrated. Do you know much good PUA “game” did? Jack shit. Things only improved once life forced me into a dire situation where I was forced to “do or die”, in spite of being injured…and if I hadn’t “done” others would have died too….and once you’ve done it once it’s easier to do again.
    Which is also why I think native-American style “rites of passage” are a good thing. Once you have to function in a situation where the stakes are your life, everything else seems easy.
    What people don’t realize is that it doesn’t matter how much “game” you learn. It doesn’t make any difference until you can de-feminize yourself on the inside. That means you need to take responsibility rather than blame others(as this male did), eliminate any mental quirks that others pick up on, grow your confidence, and learn how to take care of business when you need to rather than whine like a little bitch.
    He didn’t need “game”, game comes later.
    He needed to be de-feminized, and everything else follows.

    1. Also: his attitude that you are owed sex is fucking retarded. It’s not any different from the mindset of a welfare mama. Society “owes” her a living just for breathing.
      Getting laid is my responsiblity, nobody else’s. I don’t want anyone else in charge of that but me.

    2. Nice story, but he never learned game and there is zero evidence he read any game resource. His manifesto only details smiling at girls and not getting smiles back. This is not game.

    3. Realistically, Roosh’s article, your comment and everything else is just conjecture. Nobody knows if this guy could have been saved because he is dead now. Like all things controversial this is now being used as a political football for various groups. Obviously, we know where we stand on feminism and all the rest of it. The problem is because of this guys connection with puahate, we are being drawn into a political battle that we don’t need. If there is any hint of mental illness like with this guy, we should stay the hell away from it. The last thing masculine men need is to be associated with psychos like Elliot Rodgers. The best thing we can do is maintain that this guy was ill, argue that in a society where free speech is respected and there is a right to defend yourself that tragedies will happen but that the alternative is far worse and far more unjust. Lets not forget people are dead, so wish that the victims rest in peace. Finally, i came to this position after reading all of the hysteria on different sites, which are truly irrational and full of hatred. But we must remain rational at all times.

      1. On the contrary. A bit of aggression in promoting RoK by bringing up taboo topics will garner more men to the manosphere. The best defense is a good offense. How many university students do you think are reading this right now? How many of them are probably male, how many of them are probably finding the meat in our arguments while foregoing our sensationalism? This is how you add men to the ranks. This is how you bring notice to the calamity that we deal with on an everyday basis. It is no secret the best military generals of all time where those whose stratagem was the most aggressive. We will not apologize for being men, nor for advocating patriarchy. In fact we must aggressively promote the tenants of RoK in every shitty crevice in America, where today’s American boys and young men are confused. This is primetime son.

        1. I don’t necessarily disagree with your reasoning, I just think that there is to much conjecture surrounding Rodgers. For that reason I think it’s unwise to become too opinionated too quickly before we know the full facts because we could well end up looking like idiots. For example Roosh says he has a program that could have helped Rodgers, the first thing it advices is to start working out, yet we already know that Rodgers frequented the bodybuilding.com forums suggesting he was aware of the need to be fit. To continue with your military metaphor, the most effective generals also knew that you had to have a good plan to succeed, yes they were aggressive but rarely were they rash. This only happened on Saturday, I guess Roosh was striking while the iron is still hot in order to gain maximum exposure, but ultimately it could backfire, because it reinforces the notion that the only people interested in game are basement dwelling level 60 Warcraft players like Rodgers. We do need to aggressively promote what we believe in and there is value in shock and awe articles like the on on dating skinny girls. But in this case, it’s best to distance ourselves and defend the rights of free speech and self defense which is how RoK will be most likely targeted in the future. I would love to see more articles on successful redpill men personally.

  145. This is gonna be a great time to be a beta loser at UCSB. No hottie will DARE turn you down for fear of how you might react. Strike while the iron is hot, nerdlings!

  146. Very similar to the George Soldini situation. I agree that unless men have the necessary outlets for sexual release, more violent outbursts will follow. I don’t expect women to get what’s going on.

  147. I am a 33 year old virgin who has never had a girlfriend, but I would NEVER carry out such a barbaric act, even if I had ready access to firearms locked and loaded. That said, I am in a similar boat as Elliot the idiot, and I do have strong feelings of resentment and hidden frustration from time to time.
    I am reasonably good looking but I think my height (5 foot 6) is a strong factor as to why women do not come onto me. It is just so difficult getting a woman as an ‘omega’ male.

    1. There was a news article about a man who underwent bone lengthening surgery to be 6 foot, he was 5’6. They break your shins to add 5 cm, than proceed to break the femur for another couple inches. takes like 3 months in some shitbed hospital and costs 60-100 grand but according to surgeons has a 99% success rate, and is excruciatingly painful . The investment only makes sense if your in the business community as men with height are preferred by the society and seen as more confident and more worthy of being leaders the last 3 presidents are 6’1 , When i go game i wear a 1,5 inch lift in my shoes and my responses from women from a height of 5’11 to 6’1 the difference is incredible. I don’t get eye fucked at 5’11 but 6’1 i get the looks, some tall average fuckers where i live, also friends tend to be alpha males most are 6’2 ETC. Also, at a boosted height, i’m revered by other males, man what a superficial society.

      1. All kinds of superficial bitches tell me, if i was a bit shorter they wouldn’t want me, Let’s just be honest, women want 6’2 and steroid jacked big bodybuilders hung like porn stars, or if your short, your best bet is to be a trophy fuck, so they can tell their friends i fucked the “cute funny guy” but good luck getting to fuck them again, its a tough world when they use dating sites to browse height, body-type, We’re a bunch of clowns like shopping for a pair of shoes to them. I don’t like the truth either folks. I believe the next advancement to level the playing field for sex hungry men will be surgeries to fit the feminist ideals, men are already doing it in gyms, go into any gym, full of males trying to get jacked for confidence and an edge on the dating market

      2. I’m much more inclined to believe that your improved success with shoe lifts is due to your increased confidence showing, than to a mere 1.5″ height increase to a height that already hovers around 6 feet.

      3. This is all true. I would invest in that height surgery, but the excruciating pain and the fact that it would probably kill my ability to play sports or hit the gym on leg day makes it something that I will avoid, at least before 40.

    2. Dude! Tom Cruise gets laid and so can you! Quit feeling sorry for yourself, forget about being short and take them thar women BY STORM!!! Napoleon was a ladies man! Pablo Picasso was only 4 foot 3 girls could not resist his stare, Pablo Picasso was never called an a$$-whole!

      1. Napoleon was actually taller than average height back than. People were short because of bad nutrition. Tom cruise wears lifts and also is cast in most films with lifts for his alpha roles. If you have enough money and patience now-adays you can buy vanity, the rich will be a superclass of beautiful people with access to technologies

        1. Way to go Clark! Here I am trying to bolster this mans self esteem and you come stumbling in like a drunk a$$-whole cousin at Thanksgiving and step all over BOTH our dikz! Couldn’t have done it without ya!

        2. Men will level the playing field with the only thing we have and that is money and technical solutions for markets,including the dating market. Go into ANY gym in america and what do you see? males and steroids out competing their fellow man one rep at a time, the future is the suboid human, surgeries, brain implants, DNA mods, females dont give two shits about me and my interpretation of history, or my deep philosophical aptitude, they are only responsive to superficial and fake tactics, this makes them a vapid pursuit to me and i do not connect my sense of male achievement to what women think of me, that is what creates neurotic men who damage their bodies with steroids and are self-sadistic and end up on the therapists chairs, Life is short if you cant fit women in, find 1 of 100,000 other enjoyable hobbies to get a sense of meaning. That is my only message. Or become a slave and submit to someone’s superficial idea of you

    3. I am 5,6 and I have no troubles. Yes, sometimes girls reject me openly for being small but that mostly happens only when I hit on really tall girl.
      You are just full of excuses instead of actions. Go hit a gym, library to read some non fiction this will make some basic structure you can build your self esteem on.
      Then you can go hit a bar and get yourself some pussy.

    4. Same boat as you friend (except for the virgin part – a pro took care of that for me).
      Don’t mind too much the harsh rhetoric of the “no excuses” club. They don’t know (or have forgotten) what it was like to not have women.
      I just started one thing at a time.
      First, i worked on having a good career ($$$ helps)
      Second, i did bodyweight training and now doing lifts in gyms
      Third, (& it’s the hardest) is sorting out anxiety issues. I, personally, am using subliminals, to hack my brain into thinking fearless, idgaf extrovert. It’s taking time but i’m getting there.
      (The 100 approaches will have to come later as fear isn’t subdued yet)
      Sidenote: one of the things these sites & the successful guys who game DONT UNDERSTAND is the difficulty in overcoming approach anxiety – as if there’s only 1 way, their way usuall bulldozing through it, when not every man responds the same way or learns/overcomes a problem like this.
      I wish roosh & others would just understand that approach anxiety & fear is not a logical but an emotional problem & much harder to beat in incels & beta men.
      But alpha = i won’t help you, fuck you let me enjoy all the pussy i get; so we betas languish a little bit more until some migrate to puahate.

      1. And what about the asian guys? Check your privilege and get a job and improve yourself, maybe then you can get married. Check your privilege white boy.

      2. Yeah man, definitely men need to know their niche. A white guy will kill in Asia, Latin American and Eastern Europe all day. Personally many men criticize Western Europe, but these men are white and do know the perspective of it from someone like me, who has a much easier time getting laid in Europe. I would never go to Asia for sex tourism. My niche is Latin America and Europe and a few spots in the US. I don’t know you do it Admiral with the Asian fetish, given you’re at a predisposed disadvantage.

        1. I hope to test this theory of being an exotic attractive foreigner in poland this october (i’m non-white brown short guy, i’m hoping to do well)

    5. I’m 5’4″, shy around women, and I’ve had girlfriends. Have you ASKED women, or are you waiting for them to walk up to you?

    6. I kissed my first girl at 29 and lost my virginity at 30. I can relate to you. Don’t give up and don’t listen to the hordes of feminazis and white knights commenting here and in society.

    7. My brother is 5’4 and gets much more action than me. Wanna know why? Game. Also he is in social situations all the time and puts himself in those situations. You can get women my friend, trust me. Social acuity is much more important than our physical attributes, I’m proof of this.

    1. I browsed through the comments. Lots of emotion, no logic. It’s almost as if they are incapable of contemplating a different viewpoint.

      1. Not that you’re technically wrong but I do love the irony of your statement.
        Unless you’re being more… general.

    2. So this is your true color. No wonder people were calling you out for a fake. I had a feeling your saintly need to innocently express yourself was total bullshit.

      1. I get a lot of illogical hate on that site how the fuck is that “my true colors” saying that ?

        1. Illogical hate? I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but posters on that site can see EVERY. SINGLE. POST that you’ve made using a Disqus account. That includes your “I love rape” rants. You must be daft.

        2. I know you try to protect the fragile female specimens..because they might reward you with a pity blow once a year. But sadly dear, that will never happen.
          “Right” Han Solo will be your name instead.
          Stay on this site and learn more, or stay there and be forever doomed.

        3. Irrelevant and completely unnecessary. I’ll take Han Solo over a self-absorbed pen-name such as BringerOfTheTruth.

      2. I never said I agreed with anyone there but at least im interested in their arguments. They have none. That what was really surprised me. Just “you fucking loser get lost creep” all the time.
        This is how they behave
        http://pwned.nl/

        1. Someone who claims to love rape is most certainly NOT welcome to the general population. Do you now know? It’s rather taboo, and for a good reason.

    3. They can’t even write original articles, virtually the whole thing has just been copy and pasted. What a joke.

  148. Mental Health is a SCAM!!! Psychiatry is a SCAM! This guy was full of sin! Name off the 7 Deadlies and he exhibited them all! Wrath had him by the short hairs, he could have turned away but now demons in the pit are feasting on his soul. Sad really…

  149. Dear god I hope none of you ever reproduce. You must seriously be lacking some crucial ingredient in normal development, this is fucking appalling

  150. I doubt lack of options was the problem here. This guy wasn’t bad looking and had money, so I’m sure he had average-looking women trying to get his attention.
    What happened was that he felt he was entitled to the blonde 9 or 10’s and refused to settle for anything less than that.
    People generally tend to be with those who have similar SMV’s. If you’re a 5-6, most likely, you’re going to get women about that range.

  151. sigh … all women are whores.
    one only has to discover their monetary , spiritual or emotional price needs they desire fulfilled for horizontal male entry.
    unfortunately most modern women are poisoned by mass media family unit destroying womens lib commercialization brainwashing and ignorant false religious dogma. making any attempt at a healthy balanced long term monogamous relationship with them impossible.
    a modern male truly needs to step back and ask himself is the bullshit , worry and heartache really worth it.
    it’s not … treat them as they are genetically predisposed to be as the whores they are , always looking for the better mister good bar. it will save most men a lot of pain in their stressful testosterone caused disease physically shortened lives.
    they are all whores. don’t try to complicate it anymore than it already is.
    justified

  152. Is anyone really surprised feminist vermin and The Cathedral are going wild over this story?
    Any excuse to attack those who oppose their society destroying bullshit will do.

  153. I love the not replying to women rule. It saves a lot of headache.
    Women are not meant for intellectual discourse. They just aren’t. The logic area and the emotional area in the female brain, is connected to each other.
    It doesn’t take an einstein to figure out the consequences.

    1. The logic “area” and the emotional “area” in the female brain. HAH! What an idiot! Keep dreaming of intellectual stimulation because the only stimulation you’ll ever get is from your hand.

      1. I do not think that you will be able to understand this, nor do I think that you even know what hemispheres are, but hey, you cared enough to post a bullshit comment so here –
        theguardian. com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently
        Try imbecile.

        1. Oh my goodness. You really think I’m clueless as to what hemispheres of the brain are responsible for logic and emotion? I merely meant to point out your poor choice of anatomical terms, especially in a situation where you demand intellectual discourse. if you’re going to pride yourself on intelligence, you may as well use it.

        2. “I merely meant to point out your poor choice of anatomical terms”
          No, stop lying, you fraud. Trying to slither your way out aren’t you? If it was only terms and not anything else, then you agree with the comment, yes?

        3. Nope. I don’t agree at all. Women are capable of intellectual conversations, otherwise, they wouldn’t be outnumbering men in college, or earning the most degrees of the two genders. It would be a waste of a perfectly good brain if they didn’t do anything with it.
          Anyway, I’m out. The people over at RawStory seem to have quicker wit.

        4. I knew you were from some feminist asylum like Raw Shit-ory.
          Women are NOT capable of intellectual conversations.
          The facts will not be left unsaid or censored because of feminist intimidation. Truth is not always politically correct. Go and cry about “misogyny” on Raw Shit-ory now.

        5. i’m a neuroscientist and kindly ask you to stop use neuroscience to back up your idiological bullshit.

        6. I’m a neurobiologist and I declare that his comment is 100% correct. I also suggest you quit lying and return to your feminist madhouse.

  154. The men who have the hardest time are the ones who are average-below average who believe they are entitled to a 9 or 10.
    Then, they act all hurt when the girl acts “stuck up.” Yeah, stop going after all of the thin blonde 9/10s – they (and you) know that they are out of your league.
    There are plenty of less attractive women who are frustrated that they cannot get any male attention (at least not the type they want), because every man is going after the top 10% attractive women. How about you go after those women?
    Know your role and stay in your lane.

    1. Men do not want to be with a sub par female who wishes she could be with someone better than them, the woman always ends up cheating in the end. It’s an insult to a man’s ego and a constant reminder he is a failure that he must settle. Besides women have enough information out there on the internet about various ways to use makeup and stay in shape so they can be decent looking, what man wants to go out of his way for a woman that is settling? that is NOT the basis of a healthy relationship, better to be single, and deluded than to live a terrible truth.

      1. That’s fine. If you choose to remain single, rather than going after a less attractive women, just realize it’s a choice YOU made.
        This guy essentially made the same choice, refusing to settle for anything less than a 9/10. If he doesn’t want to settle and would rather be alone, that’s HIS fault, not the 9/10 who rejected him.

    2. There are plenty of less attractive women who are frustrated that
      they cannot get any male attention (at least not the type they want),
      because every man is going after the top 10% attractive women. How about
      you go after those women?
      “Less attractive women”: translation – fatty, land whale, shank, beluga
      Are these the options you’re talking about?

      1. You have a few options. The optimal one is to increase your SMV to match the type of woman you want, either with money, getting in good shape, developing social skills, etc. That undoubtedly takes a lot of work. We all have to make the most of the hands we’re dealt, and very few men are able to increase their SMV by more than 1-2 pnts.
        The second option is to go after those women in the same range SMV.
        The third is to go for the Hail Mary – trying to pick up a woman who is way out of your league. Sure, it works once in a while, but 99% of the time, it doesn’t.

        1. We’ve already established that American women (and men) are getting fatter. The question is, what are you going to do about it?
          Adapt, or get left behind.

        2. Adapt your fat ass. Hit the gym. This site teaches men how to improve themselves. Not like feminist tripe which teaches young women today that fat is ‘beautiful’ as BBW, 40+ cellulite ridden buttocks are ‘hot’ MILFs.
          When American men will move out to procreate with feminine foreign women, you’ll understand who’d get left behind. No one would marry a divorce seeking, solipsistic, irrational, disloyal, disrespectful, entitled woman who thinks the world owes her a place because she makes the ‘rules’ because she’s got a vagina.

        1. You bet every man is a prize. Women wouldn’t enjoy the benefits of feminism had men not given it to them. Remember women have not built America, it is men who did. Men who fought wars. Even your ancestral mothers would be ashamed of women today. For they weren’t irrational feminists as you see today. Today’s women live their lives like entitled sluts and whores and expect men to be chivalrous to them. Indeed the feminist betas would fit that bill. Red pill men would rather move out and procreate with actual feminine women who know how to build a family.

        2. [Remember women have not built America, it is men who did. Men who fought wars.]
          I don’t think you’ve built a fucking thing. I’ve don’t think you’ve ever fought a war. Some of your BETTERS have. You haven’t. Hell, some WOMEN have. You haven’t.
          [You bet every man is a prize.]
          No one who actually IS a prize would think so.
          [ Today’s women live their lives like entitled sluts and whores and expect men to be chivalrous to them.]
          I can’t imagine why they don’t seem to be attracted to YOU.

    3. You couldn’t sound more beta if you tried. You go ahead and stop going for the hot girls and ‘stay in your lane.’ Less competition for me at the top

    1. Of course. Modern feminist women, are just like men. With even more fragile egos.

  155. Men with high intelligence are prone to have interpersonal deficits which often develop into sociopathic tendencies. Since their mind operates at a different level than the average person, such men have boredom and indifference towards social interaction with people of lesser minds (i.e. the rest of mankind).
    It is markedly obvious with women, whose interpersonal relationships with males operate primarily at a limbic level, rather than through rational cognition. Many men who took the red pill have such high IQ and sociopathic tendencies. It is through game, which is nothing more than empiric reasoning applied to the interactions between men and women, that highly intelligent males who weren’t born natural alphas can finally understand how women operate. Needles to say, trying to understand “what” women want is still impossible, as rational analysis has yet
    to explain deeply instinctive behavior.
    However, Rodger was beyond all this. He was a psychopath, and he would not have been saved purely by Game. He needed psychiatric evaluation and treatment with heavy duty drugs. Game can treat social shyness, but not suicidal and assassin tendencies.

    1. “He needed psychiatric evaluation and treatment with heavy duty drugs.”
      He received both. He started seeing mental health professionals at 13 and was put on Risperidone (antipsychotic drug).

    2. I agree with this analysis. But Anglo-American society – instead of making an investment in men with high intelligence and attempting to accommodate them, shits on them and makes them pariahs. This only worsens the feelings of alienation and isolation they already feel. I am speaking from experience here. Luckily, I had other ways of dealing with this phenomenon and have never had the desire to act out the way this young man and others like him have.
      Some of us just stop giving a fuck altogether, and instead of making an investment in this society, start finding ways to remove all the tentacles of the society from ourselves and make investments elsewhere in the world where we are appreciated.
      “The men of imagination in [Anglo-America] have always been as a persecuted sect.” That was written over 100 yeras ago by Dante Gabriel Rossetti. I’ve seen men such as myself treated worse than dogs by this society in modern times.
      It’s not excusable, but not surprising that some men snap when subjected to this. Expect to see more of this in the coming years and decades. And I disagree that he needed drugs. He needed a strong man around to teach him how to be a man. SSRIs and other psychoactive drugs are not the answer.

      1. “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has
        always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant
        thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” – Isaac Asimov

    3. “Men with high intelligence are prone to have interpersonal deficits which often develop into sociopathic tendencies”
      No, they learn to develop a Socratic humility, a philanthropic sort of endearment for their own life which is seen as amazing since they are so intelligent. Their intelligence and wide-mindedness makes their life feel extremely rich. They also like their fellow man despite their faults and have an interest in the direction of civilization. That would be a healthy alpha-“intellectual” . If you are a frustrated high iq individual. Develop a form of forgiveness for your fellow man, and sympathize with the human condition
      A defective sociopath narcissist’s intellect will develop into mis-anthropy and evil via the medium we know as (usually silent) “sadism”. Evil is intelligent unfortunately. Most evil people will count scores of deeds and get a pleasure from inflicting chaos upon others. Evil usually goes underground and creates a mask from which it can be a trojan horse to man-kind, if it were out in the open and obvious it could not function. They see their evil as a form of powerful sorcery and enjoy it and we have all kinds of people like this regressing civilization. The true evil kills us with kindness. IT weakens us, pretends to be our friend, feminizes us. Like the honey that traps the fly and kills it. Evil is like sugar, sweet and poisonous.
      Evil will always exist because most people have average intelligence, and evil operates beyond that.

  156. no amount of game in this guys life would have stopped him. The sooner people realize that the better. He’s a monster end of story. The “lack of sex” statement is just his excuse to validate his need to kill.

  157. No one would have been killed if liberals didn’t make it impossible to have someone sectioned. The guy should have been taken in when his parents reported him.

    1. The parents needed to deal with him when he was still a minor and in their custody. And I don’t mean hiring another foreign nanny

    2. The law regarding incarceration for mental illness were changed during the Reagan years,

      1. False, President Carter signed legislation that was supported by the ACLU that changed laws regarding involuntary psychiatric detainment and treatment and ended federal funding of such facilities. It is true that the effects of this law took place during President Reagan’s first term in office. Please study history before you post about it.

  158. Man love rules ok.
    I’d rather fuck an ass than a pussy. Heterosexual? More like HeteroSHITSual

  159. So, just to clarify: Women in our society have generally become hyper-sexualized whores who are brainwashed to desire alpha-males when they should instead be submissively having sex with anti-social losers? But since that’s unlikely to happen, this site is dedicated to teaching men how to imitate alpha-males by encouraging them to degrade women and tear down their self-esteem to the point they will concede to sex with an alpha-male poser. Otherwise, male virgins are likely (and potentially justified) to start killing bitches and the men they love? And this seems normal/acceptable to everyone here?
    Dudes. You may have found some online camaraderie on this site, but this is NOT NORMAL IN ANY WAY. If you, over the course of your adolescent/adult life, have been unable to meaningfully, physically connect with any member of the opposite sex, there IS something wrong with you. It may not be your fault – it could be a mental health issue, extreme shyness, prior abuse or neglect, etc. But you need psychological help to determine why this is occurring and to start healing your issues. Most of you could have a perfectly normal life one day. However, hanging out and whining in an online forum of like-minded, frustrated, and angry individuals is not going to help you.

    1. What is it with you head-in-the-sand shitlibs and imagining that anybody who doesn’t see eye-to-eye with your shitlib worldview is somehow complicit in the actions of a guy like Elliot Rodger?
      Whether or not anybody thinks what you describe is “normal”, or “justified”, or “acceptable”, or what have you, is not relevant.
      The point is that what happened, happened. And something similar will most definitely happen again. And again. And again. With or without the presence of a website like this one.
      When enough young males are sexually frustrated, at least some of them will lash out. Sometimes in the most spectacularly violent ways you can imagine. It is what it is.
      So what are you going to do about it? Bury your head deeper in the sand? Shoot the next messenger?

      1. Congratulations on impotently raging at me while offering absolutely nothing of substance. At least I proposed a solution – professional help to uncover the underlying issue. Regardless of what you believe, women are not to blame. There are many types of women, just as there are many types of men. If you fail to connect with a single one of the approximately 3.5 billion women on the planet, the problem is YOU. Until you recognize that, you will get nowhere. You need to change yourself and your expectations. You can sit back and say that women only pursue the top 10% of alpha males or whatever nonsense you’d like, but the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of heterosexual men (even the nerdy, weak ones) are partnered with a woman at some point in their lives. If you can’t accomplish that, you need to figure out what you are doing wrong. Hating all women and commiserating with other dudes who can’t figure it out won’t help you. Seek professional help.

        1. Bwuahaha, look at this estrogen fueled, braindead nonsense. How you gathered all of these things about me, I’ll never know, but I do appreciate the effort. I’m so used to hearing shithouse psychology from amateur bullshitters – once in a while, it’s good to hear it from a professional.

        2. “If you fail to connect with a single one of the approximately 3.5 billion women on the planet, the problem is YOU.”
          – LOL LMAO!!!!
          I think you presume every single one of 3.5 billion women available reside in your “planet of modern feminist America”.
          You should’ve rather said “every single of the women in modern America to make your statement accurate.”
          Of course there are wonderful feminine women in the world, but unfortunately not in American society today. You’d find them abroad, away from the poisonous feminist modern American culture.
          And we’d happily take them, even if you call us ‘backward patriarchal misogynists’. Connecting with those feminine women isn’t a problem as is connecting with a feminist in America, which is IMPOSSIBLY STUPID. An intelligent man would never bother to waste his time on American women.

        3. Your screen name is “I don’t want fatties” and for some reason you’re having a hard time connecting with women… weird. :-/
          Seriously, have you ever thought about actually trying to respectfully develop a relationship with a woman instead of trolling for someone willing to let you have hate-sex with them? Women can tell the difference, you know. I also think you are using the word “feminine” when what you mean is submissive. There are lots of feminine women in the U.S. who simply demand to be treated like equals. Sorry, bro, it’s not 1955. Get with the program, or spend a lot of time alone. If half the guys on this page would just treat women like smart, independent beings, they wouldn’t be alone anymore. It’s hard to throw off the “I hate all women and they are nothing more than slutty holes for me to put my dick in” vibe, and find one who wants to spend her life with you.

        4. I’m sorry “Bro”. I don’t need to submit to some stupid feminist indoctrinated “program” which aims at making men think that they can’t choose which women they want. I don’t care a fuck if I don’t find a ‘feminine’ woman in the Wasteland of modern America. There are 3.5 billion women in this world, and not all of them are in America. If I have to travel to find a homely, traditional woman who still believes in those values of 1955, I would do. And there are places where feminism has not poisoned women yet. So I won’t resent myself by adjusting to some stupid entitled feminist who thinks she makes the rules just because she has a vagina. A man’s dignity and rule in the home is what counts, even nature in the wild shows that. I don’t hate women, but I do hate feminists.

        5. Yes, there are women (and men) who think they deserve to be treated better than others and have an attitude of entitlement. However, the definition of feminism is “the advocacy of women’s rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic EQUALITY to men.” Women are not asking to have special privileges, just the same as those enjoyed by men. You can be pissed at alpha-males and snotty bitches who won’t give you the time of day, but that has nothing to do with feminism.

        6. Doesn’t make a difference. I don’t need waste my time in the Wasteland of modern America. Life is short to spend it adjusting to some feminist American bitch who thinks men owe her equality just because she’s born a woman. That’s the Biblical Jezebel archetype in modern American women, who want to control their men like Ahab.
          I don’t need to ruin myself by wasting my time and life in finding a diamond in the huge pile of shit of modern American women. There are millions of desirable women outside of America who want to be loyal and submissive wives. And they’re not trashy like American women. They don’t curse like American women. They know how to respect a man. I don’t need to be pissed at alpha males. Why? They’re my fellow brothers, fellow men like men. I’d rather be pissed at snotty bitches and supplicating beta men who are thirsty for these bitches, because they’re the product of feminism. The betas lower the standards of masculinity for these women to deride men in general.
          Bros before hoes!

        7. Dude. Totally stealing shithouse psychology. What an amazing visual lmfaooooo. Thank you for the laugh sir.

        8. Problem is most of you dont act like “smart, independent’ beings” but feel entitled to be treated that way. fact is men are foregoing marriage, and families, and feminist poisoning is the reason. Im not talking about being pro-choice, or for birth control, or equal pay, giving a qualified woman a job, etc. Im talking about the man hate, and entitlement that feminists have in 2014, and this idea that all men are violent animals that need to be tamed.

    2. Look, I don’t truly know if women are hyper-sexualized or just handed so many entitlements and so completely molly-coddled that they act in a way in which they are almost completely free from any consequence of their actions. From social welfare programs to a weaponized family court system women are completely taken care of at a fundamental level by the state. This has led them to look for the “fun guy”. The guys who excite them, but in reality care little about them,
      This has left the guys like me, that are stable but not necessarily the most “fun” out in the cold. You know, the guys that really do (or did) enjoy family life and coming home to the same woman every night and who pays the bills without question. We are out of sync with society, because society as currently configured encourages women to gloss over men like us until they want security, and then the women mourn the fun guys that wouldn’t marry them and stop having sex with us. That fits the best available observations.
      As far as tearing women down goes, that is not encouraged. Sorry. Telling a guy to work out, get an education, and get a hobby is good advice. So is telling anybody who is capable of it to start and run their own business and get out of the soul crushing existence of corporate labor. Telling guys not to let pussy rule them in any way and to treat every girl as if she is just another slut until she proves otherwise reminds a guy to stay in his frame and to keep a perspective on things. That isn’t tearing a woman down.

      1. You were teetering on the edge with most of your post but went speeding over it with this…. “Telling guys not to let pussy rule them in any way and to treat every girl as if she is just another slut until she proves otherwise reminds a guy to stay in his frame and to keep a perspective on things. That isn’t tearing a woman down.”
        You are not the man you think you are and you are not the man any woman would want raising her children, her sons and daughters.

        1. What, because I would tell a man not to let something that is out of his control to rule him? To treat every woman he approaches as if she will use him and dump him like yesterday’s trash does nothing but protect him.
          I am actually a very good father.
          By the way, if you are a woman let me know so that I won’t respond to you.

      2. “…treat every girl as if she is just another slut” “isn’t tearing women down” ?? Those two statements are completely incongruent. Believing the majority of women are “sluts” is your primary issue. It sounds like you feel you were treated badly by one woman, yet you are using that experience to stereotype all women. I know people on this site don’t like being called misogynists. However, if you feel that (with rare exception) all women are sluts, that is no different than saying with rare exception, all blacks are n*ggers. It is a hateful, inaccurate belief with zero merit. You are allowing your past experience and to cloud your judgment. I highly recommend some form of talk therapy to understand and eventually move past your anger so that you will be capable of having a successful, respectful relationship someday.

        1. No, because I am not doing a single thing to tell a woman she is a slut or anything else. I am telling the guy, or myself, that the woman he is approaching and talking to is not some “pure and special snowflake” that has been waiting just for him her whole life. This is better for the guy. He knows to just take what he can get and go from their.
          Yeah, I did get hurt. A lot. Then I got really bad fucking hurt. I might have avoided it all if I had bother to understand the world and women’s true nature.

        2. Woah woah woah woah. This is stupid. It needs to be pointed out so you don’t embarrass yourself in the future you racist. lmfao…There’s no such thing as being a N*gger. Literally no behavior that results in “That black man is a n*gger because he exhibited these traits!” You can call him a degenerate, a thug ect. because those words actually have definitions but “nigger” does not; it is an empty slur. However slut does in fact have a behavior that enables one to be defined as such. An especially promiscuous woman that was first defined and used in the 15th century for fucks sake. These two words are not comparable by any means. There are sluts but unless you’re a racist who uses racial slurs; there are no “niggers”. Hilarious how you want to play the victim and equate your “plight” with black citizens of this country when you could curb the behavior or your “sisters” could curb their behavior in order to not be deemed a slut which has an actual definition. Unfortunately for black citizens of this country they don’t have anyway to behave in a way that excludes them from being defined as a “nigger” because a “nigger” isn’t something that has a set behavior it is defining. There is empirical evidence that suggests most women today are “sluts” as is defined in the fucking dictionary. Can’t say the same for people running around screaming “Nigger” because of some perceived behavior. In summation: You are an idiot.

      3. Co-signed. All i ever wanted and all i dreamt of (& i’m sure all the betas, omegas, & elliot rodgers in America) was to have a loving wife who’s lips i could kiss because she didn’t suck dick & doesn’t have a tunnel for a cunt because she saved it for me along with loving kids who is loyal to me. I would’ve worked like a horse for the rest of my days to take care of them.
        Sadly, that particular american dream is dead.
        Now i’m in my 30’s wandering the wasteland of America hoping to meet a traditional, feminine woman overseas.
        For the rest of you: youtube princess & the plowhorse.

  160. Men have a lot of options for sex until they can increase their self esteem. Masturbate. Have sex with an inflatable doll. Use a receptacle or fruit. Stick a dildo in your anus. Hire a prostitute.

  161. One might wonder, Elliot had a nice car and money, and still was not able to get laid. Why is that?
    Imagine that you’re a woman. You have so many, and I mean so damn many options, that your standards have been raised to extreme levels and you’ve become greatly entitled.
    In such a situation, you not only have rich guys, but also rich AND good looking guys after you.
    Would you then settle for a rich guy who looks like a fag? No, you wouldn’t.
    This is why elliot, even when he had a nice car and wealth, was still not able to get laid. Of course, his schizophrenic demeanor would have also contributed toward it.
    At the fundamental level, women are simply prostitutes – Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place – Robert Briffault

    1. He was from a wealthy area, when his mom moved to a smaller house his peers made fun of him for being too poor.
      He was rich compared to me, but in his environment he was not rich at all.

      1. The point being he was not poor. Had a BMW, expensive clothes etc. He would not have had issues with girls for being impoverished.

        1. Of course you are right, what I am getting at is that it was not like he was the richest in the neighborhood and could not get laid, he was average in terms of wealth.

      2. He was a student at Santa Barbara City College, a community technical 2 year college but targeted sorority women from University of California at Santa Barbara, considered a public Ivy League school.
        Perhaps he may have had more success with his classmates but he considered himself too good for them.

    2. Are you seriously faulting women who don’t want to bang a guy that can barely operate on a basic level in society? You call that “entitled”? I call that self preservation and not wanting to date a person that freaks you out. You would not want to hang out with this guy – why should they?

      1. I am not “faulting” women. I said woman are entitled, and entitled they are. Like I already mentioned, his psychopathic attitude was also a factor. But the other factor was that he looked like a sissy, a fag. And he was of short stature and physically weak as well.
        When women already have much better looking guys vying for them, who also have the equivalent status as he did, and that added to the fact that they are not psychopathic, obviously they would not go for him, and that is precisely what happened.

  162. This guy was a PUAhate contributor so he obviously knew of the existence of “game”. He writes in his manifesto about how a number of successful men tried to help him with women and it didn’t work, so it’s not like he was lacking male role models.
    Why? Because you can’t help a chode who doesent want to be helped.
    This is a guy who spent his whole existence whining about how unfair life was and what a (wealthy, handsome) victim. while taking ZERO steps to improve, and now he’s dead you’re going to keep whining and painting him as the victim.

  163. Elliot Rodgers is another sad case of male homicidal behavior that seems to be drastically in this country. As usual, the media tries to make a case that guns and mental health stability are the problems. But never the other underlying reasons for men doing the things that they did.
    As time goes by i’ve seen people grow more apathetic to their fellow man. UNLESS it’s for fame via social media platform. Altruistic behavior appear to be on the decline, especially for the care and well being of young men today. The “mental health” problems that we have today are merely natural stressors that can be taken care of with the right support for it. Medication is NOT the answer unless it’s for the more extreme disorders that are an obviously biological deficiency that normal therapy cannot help with.
    Anyway, Elliot Rodgers needed a mentor. Unfortunately he had a father that was not there for him in that aspect, alone he had no guidance but his own disturbed pessimistic thoughts.
    I personally have for the past year reached out to the “socially awkward” males I come across at universities and other social hangouts. Sometimes thats all they need is for someone to reach out to them coax them into positive events and most of all teach them to believe in themselves.
    Big Brother program is another positive way to reach out and tutor young men without fatherly guidance. It doesn’t have to be a lifelong commitment, but at least show them some tools that they can take with them the rest of their lives.

  164. If you want to understand just how big of a chasm there is
    between what our “social betters” say and what they do, you need to
    look at this story. For years now, social scientists have warned that the
    lopsided gender ratios in China
    and India
    will lead to social destabilization. In the case of those 2 countries,
    there are simply not enough women for the men. This leads to the
    phenomenon of poorer men’s families often kidnapping women into forced
    marriages.
    Yet, there is a variation of that in the U.S. Except, the gender ratio
    is more balanced here. But the behavior ratio is unbalanced. Women are no longer restrained from pursuing
    or holding out for the top 20% of men. Even
    a plain woman, who has no chance of landing an alpha, can bide her time. Many women no longer need a man to support
    herself, so they no longer have to settle for a plain guy who has no excitement
    to offer. Meanwhile, for many men, they
    find the economic landscape changed. Many
    jobs that gave them a shot at a middle class life, and thus some element of
    attracting a similar middle class women, have either been sent overseas, wages
    undercut by illegal immigration, or automated. Meanwhile, many high-paying rent-seeking
    professions, such as finance & lawyers, have seen their incomes go up, thus
    making giving them more sexual options.
    Many men are unprepared for this new landscape. Rogers
    had other issues, such as mental illness & access to firearms, that made
    his situation more dangerous. But for
    more mentally-balanced men, without the violent tendencies, they just suffer in
    lonely silence.

  165. Spare me. You’re a 22-year-old virgin? Well, so the fuck what? Some people don’t have FOOD. Get a REAL problem.
    Nobody owes you sex, and if you really must turn violent because you don’t have anything but masturbation to get your stupid rocks off, just kill your own worthless spoiled self, and leave everybody else alone.

    1. Cast into the deaf wind like a prayer to a dead god.
      How you doing down there, head buried in the sand?

  166. White boys get so frustrated that they don’t get laid and then go to Asia to find girls who will fuck them just because they’re white. And asian guys are just supposed to take that sitting down?
    Check your fucking privilege dudes or just start improving yourself until you can find someone to fuck you for being a decent human being.

    1. Which half of him are you referring to? Is he the frustrated White guy, or the avenging Asian?
      He came off as the half-caste that wanted to be fully White. Cannot blame him knowing that being White does score major points, especially with females, as you have stated. He could have cashed that half-White card for easy jobs and women in Asia, but he chose not to.

      1. Duurrrrr check your privilege.
        I notice you don’t include asian men in your picture. The entire continent of Asia is just a playground for white losers? And asian guys will just accept that?
        Not to condone violence but it’s become fairly routine for white males to be attacked or killed in china.
        White guys aren’t owed shit just bc of the color of your skin. Elliot seemed to think he was. The whole mra is just closet white nationalist and harboring sociopathic white supremacists who can’t get laid.
        Pleas, do retort with how asian men are pathetic. It’ll really sound great the millionth time I’ve heard it

        1. Ok, then by your logic if asian men shouldn’t tolerate whites coming into their society then neither should white men accept minorities in their societies. So blacks, asians, latinos GTFO from the US and Europe

        2. No, they don’t have to accept it if they have the means to combat it, but you did not answer my question.
          Asia is a playground for White men. Winners and losers that become winners. It is how it is, for better or worse depending on where you stand. If you want to stand up against it, good luck.
          PS: I’m Black and I would love to have a quarter of the play that Whites get in Asia. Check your reading comprehension and “lurk moar”.

    2. Yet white people are supposed to take it lying down when large amounts of (mostly illegal) immigrants invade their country? How come it’s ok for asian countries to protect their borders and control immigration but the US and Europe just have to accept all sorts of immigrants under the guise of “multiculturalism” otherwise they’re racist?

  167. Oh yeah, we whores are the real issue. If we’d only give it up to cocky jerks who seek to objectify us, maybe we’d keep them from being mentally unstable and bloodthirsty. I mean, come on, ladies! A dick in the mouth keeps the guns out of their hands! These poor guys–it’s all our fault for not choosing them!
    This site is just a platform for perpetuating rape culture and violence. If you see women as objects to be acquired, you have no problem being violent toward them. We’re not human beings. But guess what! Your feelings of inadequacy won’t go away simply because you get the girl. She’ll know perfectly well WHY you chose her–you want a hottie to show off to your friends. There’s no mutual trust, no depth, and you have no way to keep her. You will always feel insecure, emasculated and unsure inside.
    If you start seeing woman as allies, as friends, more than as acquisitions, then you will have a relationship that lasts. Look at yourself, at your own behavior. If you’re not “scoring” with women, maybe there’s a reason. Respect is paramount. Without that, you’ll never find love. Good luck.

  168. This article, you the author, the idiots supporting you, and your callous MISinterpretation of the situation is exactly what’s wrong with society, namely THE MALE SPECIES. My body is that – MINE. I can have as many dozens of “different penises in [my] vagina, anus, and mouth” and that is for ME to decide, for ME to care about, and for ME to judge. If the man I am with has a problem with the fact that I enjoy sex for pleasure sake, just as MEN do, then he is not a man, he is a whiny little boy who has yet to grow some balls. NO ONE is “entitled” to sex. Yes, we all crave it and biologically want it, but that doesn’t make you entitled to it. Just because we need food to survive doesn’t mean we can go to our local grocery store and demand they give us produce for free. No, you work for it, you earn it. Same with relationships. You work for them and when you have them you keep putting effort into them. More people will die not because men do not have the sex they want. More people WILL die, however, because society [namely the underbelly of angry whiney white men] continues to perpetuate this sick, backwards, twisted, misogynistic sexist patriarchal bullshit paradigm!
    Rot in hell.

    1. Right on! I hope this site gets banned for being a catalyst to violent crime. This blog post clearly PROVES that they endorse this kind of violence. “Hey guys! Bitches don’t want to give it up to you? Shoot em!” It makes me SO ill.
      Maybe, if we teach our boys and send messages that it is NOT right to objectify women, we wouldn’t have B.S. misogynistic sites like this one.

    2. So you like sex? What a great discovery, you lack class, thats what I can tell, a real woman dont go around saying she likes to suck c#%c. You can be a little more discret and normal.

    3. And so will you. Hell, aren’t you rotting already in a hell of your own making? Your hatred and venom shows that you’re already in a mental hell. You need to fuck with Lucifer or Satan. He’d take all your holes, without you even be able to stop him.

    1. Damn right I’ve got a cunt. LOL at the brainless fart of a “man” who can’t think of a decent insult so he lowers himself to a silly little word.

      1. “brainless fart of a “man”.
        Wow, that’s a decent insult. Good job.

    2. Oh C’mon – no more brainless insults Mr. Christopher? Wanna tell me how big, bad, your cock is? LOL

      1. Do you work in a whore house?
        “Wanna tell me how big bad your cock is?”
        Were you sexually abused earlier by anyone in your family? Or circle? You need psychiatric help, and need to learn manners. Is that the way you talk to your boyfriend or husband?

    3. This is the reason i’m preparing to leave the United States. What’s the point of learning game if i have to practice on women like those below. /smh.
      Britain is no better but at least it’s a ferry ride away to the continent & eastern europe

  169. You people are totally fucking nuts. Beautiful women don’t owe you shit. We like whatever the fuck we want short or tall thin or not. Popular or not. Your fucked up brain is why people don’t like you idiots.
    Society doesn’t owe you people a god damn thing.

  170. The cunts below should admit that cunts smell horrible. The cunts smell so terrible that if it were not for the extremely powerful male sexual instinct, the majority of the guys would puke while licking the cunt.

    1. LOL My gosh men really have pretty much no intellectual capacities left, huh? And you dicks should admit that your dick is the nastiest, weirdest, smallest, funniest, smelliest little thing in this world. No wonder more and more women are opting to be lesbians and enjoy each other’s sweet, lovely, cunts rather than puke all over the abomination that is the “penis.”

      1. Didn’t know female dykes were trolling here too…LOL LMAO
        No wonder feminists spew scum. Because they lick scum from each others cunts. LOL :LOL LOL LOL LOL

  171. I thought the along similar lines when I first heard about this tragedy. Liberals keep pushing the gun control argument, when the problem is much larger. There are lots of young males who are lost, disenfranchised, they have social problems, but nobody is trying to help them fit in, be successful with girls.

  172. If Elliot had gotten laid, he would have realized that women are not such a big deal. In fact, sex is greatly overhyped.
    He would have found out the horrible stench of the pussy, which is vomit inducing.
    He would have found out that women’s nipples have hairs.
    He would have found out that women’s vaginas FART during intercourse. (Lol)
    He would have found out that women’s underarms don’t always smell nice, and the pit-stains are repulsive.

    1. Let me guess… but a man and his butthole is so pristinely beautiful? Or maybe your giant rubber sex doll? Or is it your own hand you prefer?

      1. With your borderline retarded IQ, you do not seem to understand that it is WOMEN, not men who are considered so enormously desirable as to motivate a person to go on a killing spree.
        Therefore, the point of addressing that they are not all that. If it were men for whom women would be going on killing sprees, then your comment would have been plausible.
        Sigh…I am pretty sure you won’t get it.

    2. So as an obvious woman hating homosexual, what’s your interest in a heterosexual’s insane belief that the state of his social life justified committing violence?

      1. You are literally too stupid for me to insult, but you do make me laugh. Have you ever smelled a pussy by the way? Sure you have, you have one yourself!

        1. Again, you have assessed the “problem” completely backwards. It isn’t that I’m too stupid to “get” your insults but that your are too stupid to be successfully insulting.
          Your opinions on female anatomy strongly suggest a women hating homosexual. It would seem impossible to hold those beliefs and be intimate with a woman at the same time. So gay’s probably a good choice for you.
          Which brings us back to wondering what’s your interest in a heterosexual’s insane belief that the state of his social life justified committing violence?

        2. Nope. You ARE too stupid to insult faggot/woman. Choose whichever suits you best. I am betting on the latter.

        3. No, you just mean I don’t react as you wish. I’m sure it’s easier if people just know to get upset when you insult them. That might work with idiots, emotional youngsters who might give a damn what some random stranger thinks, i.e. the usual sort of game targets. And that’s why I don’t get insulted, because I don’t care what you think.
          Do you think the status of your social life is a justification for violence?

    3. Your repulsion indicates that you are not interested in women, at all. So why even BE here?

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